WARNING: This experiment may cause temporary madness.

The three steps seems good, a bit drastic in my opinion but good. i just hope it s not some New Year proposal that get dropt.

I myslef starting around september, quit looking at Tv ( only rubbish !), reduced my computer hours, start side activities (doing gym, swim, pick up yoga, painting, some self-improvement ...) but i started them all in a "mild" way. Now after 4 months i still fall in the TV / computer trap sometimes., and my eating is not always so healty, but rest is Ok. Going on is more important to be 100% stricht i think ( expecially when i planned to be on track in 14 months :-)
How many people will get into this self discipline ?

manolo

ps speaking of computer.. i didnt find any tread, but i noticed that too much passive video before going to sleep prevent me to good dream resemblance. is that possible

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Originally posted by loose id
Also, unless the mods have a serious objection, I'm going to make a post in General Discussion to point people here. If [mods] would prefer another type of promotion, please pm me.

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I had (have) no problem with it. This topic certainly deserves at least one extra thread for "notification." Good luck! :mrgreen:

Today was my first day on this. I did well, but I am going to recommend something to everyone:

Prepare your meals the day before and take them with you. I had gone to lunch with a coworker and it was very difficult to find something low sodium, no sugar, low in saturated fats, not red meat, etc... Fortunately, when I explained my situation to the young lady at the counter, she made a special salad for me.

I'm thinking that I want to implement more rice into my diet. Rice has always struck me as a very healthy substitute for breads and noodles. Thoughts?

Make sure you get unbleached rice because the white kind leeches nutrints from your bones and thats the last thing we want to happen. :( I eat to much bread and so I need to get more rice in my diet.

On another note if anyone has started the exercise part what are you doing and for how long? I just want to compare what I am doing.

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On another note if anyone has started the exercise part what are you doing and for how long? I just want to compare what I am doing.

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I do around 20 - 30 minutes of cardio a day. I'll either run for 13 minutes then bike for 10 minutes, or I'll do bike for 20 minutes then jumprope for 2-3 minutes (jump rope is pretty rigorous if you're really pounding it). Outside of that, I'll do about an hour of resistance training (weights, freeweights, nautilus machines, swedish ball...) 4-5 times a week.

The only reason why I'm working this hard is because the more I sit around, the more I want to eat/smoke/masturbate. On the plus side though, I have a lot of energy and I'm starting to look sexy (been at the exercise thing for 3 months now).

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Physical -
The next part in this phase is what will make or break most people. No orgasm. That means no sex and no masturbation. This is perhaps the hardest, but I have found to be the most beneficial. I have on several occasions tried to see how long I could go without an orgasm. My longest thus far is twenty-eight days. However, after day fourteen I noticed a remarkable increase in my physical energy, dream recall, creative abilities, and emotional stability. Granted, for the first week I was a wreck, I noticed a fluidity in my mind and body I have never had before after that. For those of you with significant others I don't really know what to say. Its a personal sacrifice for your individual growth, and I hope that you and your partner both see it that way. Maybe it would be a test of what type of relationship you really have. For others, this won't be nearly as hard as I make it out to be.

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I don't know about this one. If you are used to having orgasms, and you just "stop", you will only dam up energy that will leak out some other way.
To stop having orgasms you have to have a certain state of mind.
Priests and monks (not only here in the west) have been trying to quit the orgasms for centuries, and not many have truly succeded, and there is a reason for that.

I have also tried to quit the orgasms, but I found that it was too much of a hassle.
After a while, you spend more energy and attention on the effort of not having an orgasm, than you win on not having orgasms.
It's true, orgasms seems to be the largest waste-channel of energy of man-kind. But, you can't just "switch it off" and presume that you can direct this energy to the activites you specify. You need training to do that sort of thing.
I have found that it is enough to lower the frequency of the orgasms to a level you think is approriate.

To think of quitting orgasms as a "personal sacrifice" is pure folly to me. The spiritual road is a very long one and it's supposed to be a joyous experience. When you get to the level when ceasing your sexual activites is a must to continue, then it will not seem like a "personal sacrifice", at all.
As long as we are humans, we are sexual beings.

Also, I would like to point out, that ceasing your sexual activities or lowering the frequency of them severely may cause depression in the long run.
It is not only something that I have noticed on myself, but it is also indicated in the psychological field. Depressed patients does not jerk off, and as they go deeper into their depressions, so does the frequency of their orgasms get lower.

But, if you've found a way to govern your sexual energies, please tell me. :)

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In response to the above:

1) Could you please find a source to your claim that "depressed patients do not jerk off"? I would be very interested in seeing some scientific evidence on that because it is directly contrary to much of what I have read/experienced.

2) It has been almost (probably exactly) 2 weeks since I have "released", and I am finding that I am making better gains in the weight room and my 2 mile time has gone down a full 20 seconds in just one week. It may be coincidence, but it is a very peculiar one at that. Plus, my yoga and my bass playing feels much more fluid and I am not making as many errors.

3) I don't disagree about your statement that you need some sort of auxilary release so your efforts are poured into "not having an orgasm." Thankfully I have many outlets... bass, yoga, resistance training, running/biking, film, and writing... so I don't think that's a concern for me. They may not be what you would consider the ideal outlets, but I hardly think masturbating to an .avi of some girl faking it (or having sex with some overweight girl who's faking it) is either.

Depression is when you have no power to do anything. You lie in your bed, too tired to shave or shower. You don't care about anything.
And, I'm sorry, but I cannot post any links or point to any book that proves what I've said, but I've taken courses in psychology, and it is from what I've learned there that I spoke. I'm not making something up, just to screw around.
When you stop jerking off, or do it more rarely, you will notice that you'll get horny less often.
If you start to ejaculate every other day for some time, you'll notice that you'll get quite horny only after 1, 2 or 3 days.
When I made effort to drop the orgasms, I found that it could go a week without me feeling the need to do any sexual activity. And if I started to have orgasms on a regular basis again, I found that I after a while got horny more quickly.
And about the depressions, I'm talking of a long time here, not 2 weeks. I've experimented on this particular thing for a very long time now, and noted the effects and such.
First, you get more energy, and so. But, then, when you don't have orgasms, you're body will start "saving", and you won't get the energy you want anyways.
The sexual power will reduce itself accordingly to the frequency of your orgasms. It is in the "high-points" of the cycles you can extract extra energy from this, when your body is expecting an orgasm and have built up extra energy, but the orgasm doesn't come. Then you'll have a surplus of energy.
But the body "learns" and it won't produce that amount of energy next time.
So, as the distance between the orgasms become greater, so does the rate of speed that the body builds up energy drop.
After a while, you'll notice that you'll get no more extra energy and you won't be horny, either.

The thing is, that the extra sexual "kick" you feel when the body has saved up energy for the orgasm, and it doesn't come, give you a boost in your overall activity - because of the extra testorone you have in your body (running faster, lifting heavier things etc) and (this, researchers have not been able to grab, yet) the "other" type of energy, the "mind-energy" that gives you more powerful meditations, a quicker brain etc. (allthough being able to think quicker also has a connection to the testorone? I'm not sure about this one.)
But it only last for a little while. The body rids of this extra energy quite fast, and starts the rebuilding process once again, according to the time-limits between the orgasms it is used to.
The energy you use to live your life and to read books and to keep your heart beating is not only sexual energy, cause then I'd already be dead, or at least not half as smart as I am today.
Jerking off to and .avi film, or actually having sex both gives orgasms and renews the cycle. Writing, reading or lifting weights does not give orgasms, and hence the body will not continue to build up the sexual energy you benefit from.

We're quite the mammals, really. The body simple wants to breed. 8)

I'm only sharing my own experiences here, of what I've learned and felt.
I'm not trying to "dictate rules", or "tell you how it *really* is", because that I think noone will be able to do, ever.

if anyone is continuing this experiment, or at least following our progress...

i think I am starting to go a little mad. I've been having some nightmares (which is a rarity for me) involving all kinds of frightening imagery (walking across a field of snakes, swimming amongst sharks eating porcupines, my ex-girlfriend playing with a mildew-covered stuffed rabbit...)

My "alertness" is starting to wane a little bit, but I still feel much more lucid mentally than I had before, plus, physically I cannot remember a time when I was in better shape.

Thus far I am not seeing any drastic improvements on my waking life nor in my ability to go lucid, but I am feeling a touch more confident. Its kind of nice to know that you have a certain amount of control.

More to come.

So Just a quick poll who is still doing this?

As for my experiance eating heatly and exercizing has improved my dream recall, the quallity of my sleep and my lucid dreaming ( woo hoo a 700% time increase to 35 seconds). I also have never felt better in my life physicaly and mentaly, once you get passed a recent event in my life that affects my mood a lot. Don't ask :D

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My \"alertness\" is starting to wane a little bit, but I still feel much more lucid mentally than I had before, plus, physically I cannot remember a time when I was in better shape.

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My alertness as also waned a bit and I tend to stare at things but nothing serious.

I was doing this up until about two weeks ago.

I found that although my dream recall and instances of lucidity went way up, I was also a little bit cranky to people. Some of my friends commented that I was starting to act like "my shit don't stink", which isn't me at all.

So then, by accident, I had sex (yes, it can happen by accident) and I kinda fell off the wagon.

I'm not doing the uberman sleep cycles nor the sexual abstinence, but I'm still exercising, following my diet, and abstaining from drugs and alchohol (with the exception of one night last week when I made some blue lotus tea). My dream recall is still up (it takes me 45 minutes every morning to write it down), and I'm averaging at least 4-5 lucid dreams a week (my best ever). However, vividity has decreased slightly since I stopped the orgasm abstinence. I may start that up again.

Plus side - the one friend who commented to me about my condescention has complimented on how much I've "lightened up" the last week or so. Someone's above comments on the necessity of sexual release may or may not be valid. Further experimentation is necessary.

I fell of the wagon too. I've been struggling to climb back on. i think Im gonna start this process over agian this summer if I haven't gotten back on it again.

As for that sexual release stuff I found it I stopped that compleatly after a day or 2 of kinda feeling like crap I also "lightend up" and my focus was greatly increassed in all things. I did experiance a few negitive effects like I was a little to clingy to my "girl friend".

We might have to start a new topic and lead a corse for the others at dream veiw during the summer now that we know a lot of what will happen.

this seems like a really great thing to do. I've started to do some of the things mentioned here. I hafta disagree with ya about some things in the plan, such as no red meat ( i think someone else added that), no caffiene: a significant cutback is good but some of us won't be able to go without it, I don't really see the harm in dairy products, i guess they are high in saturated fats but i dont think they would really drain your energy.

This looks like it would be pretty good to do most of these things, and i may try to expand the amount of things i do that are on your list. I've already felt the increase in energy from the few things i've already done.

If this experiment has been reposted somewhere else, please let me know.

I also want to try this.. but the whole food thing is a bit of a problem for me at the moment, as I live on a college campus and pretty much only eat at the school cafeteria.. and honestly.. who knows what they put in the weird crap they make. But I recently stopped smoking (not because of these experiment) and my friend and I have been running/biking around the levy out here every night.. and I've already experienced a significant increase in energy..

I want to fully try this experiment.. but I think it will have to wait until July when I get an apartment and can buy and cook food for myself.. thus having much more control over my diet.. I'll have to work on giving up soda as well.. I'm a bit of a diet coke addict.. but replacing that with water and natural juices should cause vast improvements as well.

This experiment sounds great.. good luck with it..

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This seems like a really great thing to do. I've started to do some of the things mentioned here. I hafta disagree with ya about some things in the plan, such as no red meat ( i think someone else added that), no caffeine: a significant cutback is good but some of us won't be able to go without it, I don't really see the harm in dairy products, i guess they are high in saturated fats but I don’t think they would really drain your energy[/b]

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Your free to modify this stuff and no one can stop you. As for me I just cut down on red meat. And I stopped using caffeine almost completely but that was for a reason out side of the experiment ( the reason makes me a looser so don't ask).

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I ran into that problem a few times I would wait to start this fully but don't stop the exercise or what else you've already tried. It gives your body a chance to adjust more easily and you a chance to "falter before you fly".

Any way good luck to the next batch trying this :D

Great thread. I've already began changing my lifestyle around, getting rid of some of the worst habits I had, and I'm finding alot of people are doing the same as I am, at right about the same time period. Good luck on your path to ascension, and it seems you have a few fellow journeymen with you, myself included.

Good for you!


Also I recently found out that green tea is loaded with antioxidents. Just thought I'd share.

Interesting, i'll have to try this.

Good post but I wouldn't call it a method. It's pretty banal. I'm seriously wondering how anyone wouldn't think of refining life and self when it comes to lucid dreaming.

Wow. This sounds like a really big jump in lifestyle. As many others have said, do not jump right in all at once unless you are sure you are ready for that much alteration in your lifestyle. Other than that, I think it sounds like a great lifestyle, though restrictive. I am sure the benifits would outweigh the restrictive parts of the experiment though.