no succes yet.....even i was awake just after a dream.......
rotation is also complicated too.......i cant feel full 360 rotation.....
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no succes yet.....even i was awake just after a dream.......
rotation is also complicated too.......i cant feel full 360 rotation.....
I have been successful four times so far three times using the wiggling method, the last time three nights
ago using the rollover method.
On every occasion i found myself standing in my bedroom.
Until reading this thread all of my lucids with the exception of one wild quite some time back,
had been dilds.
Luckily for me the first night i tried this method i had success with it even though i did not
expect it to work.
Good luck to everybody who tries this technique i hope you start to get results soon.:)
I almosth had an OBE yesterday. I could lift my arm very high using Phantom wiggling. I tried to seperat, But I guess I tried to arly and I failed.
Ok this night I used the rem alarm and I woke up in my rem sleep :) so I am going to keep using that app. Then I fell asleep with the intention bla bla xD then I woke up aware, closed eyes and were perfectly still and I started to cycle techniques because I didn't dare to separate because I don't fully understand how to do so..
I did 2 cycles then I were angry because nothing happend (I have told myself to do 4 cycles x/ ) then I read what Michael Raduga had to say about this and he had a story about to persons who were discussing why the fail in their attempts and one of them had only done 2 cycles and the other one had also only done 2 cycles and then another person walks up to them and tell that he had done one cycle more and on the other two cycles he had not felt any sensation but on the third he got the phase! So the next night I will do 4 cycles :)
how do you rotate.........?
i mean which one is the axis......from the head to toe or from ceiling to ground.......?
Well, I think my brain is starting to accept some of these techniques (breathing concentration is the most awesome for me!) because last night I became lucid in a dream and I did an RC for the first time ever in a dream (I counted my fingers and had 11 of them)!! :banana: But after I was lucid, I think I lost it from excitement, and attempted to "roll out of my body" in the kitchen, I just flipped/rolled from my side onto the hard kitchen floor:shock: ....but I was so happy about doing an RC, this is a humongous step for me!
Woo Hoo!
*Also, I went to bed at 1945 and woke up at 2359 (all on my own) and I couldn't get back to sleep, so I stayed up for about 2.5 hours watching a show, then went back to sleep and that's when I had my LD.... so I guess maybe this means that I should try waking myself up after about 5 or 5.5 hours of sleep??
REM alarm where? Where do I find one of those at??
If you have an Iphone or Ipod there is an app called "Smart Alarm Clock" that you lay on bed and the Iphone or Ipod registrate the movements in your sleep and then it wakes you up at the time which is the easiest to get up from bed which is the rem state. it only costs 0.99 $
Now I understand everything perfectly and now I am only waiting to have one ONE conscious awakening, and I am ready to go!
My Intention is not strong enough for some reason :S
Woohoo! Last night I woke up from the rem alarm and started to say out loud "I wake up with my eyes closed and I am still and aware" then I went to bed again.
When I woke up I started to observe the images that appeared, then I were in a dreamscene. I was hiding from the police with Michael Scofield and Lincoln Burrows from prison break and the house I were in was surrounded, but then I said "What ever it's my dream!" and I flew away xD But the dream police chased me and in the flight I forgot to stabilize the dream.. so the lucidity slowly faded away, then I was cought by the FBI and the dream ended.
Seems like I need to use an intention to remember to stabilize my dream too...
They are both sort of the same concept. But he means head to toe axis... as if there is a pole straight down the center of your body from head to toe and you are spinning like a doll on it. You may also want to stand in a open space while you are awake and slowly spin around, staying in the same spot for a bit... then try it a couple of times with your eyes closed just to let your brain understand the feeling and sensation of the rotation, so that it may be able to see that perspective during the technique?
To add to Nilabimini's response:
For me it really, really helps to move my eyes in the direction of rotation. Because your eyes are connected to your vestibular sense directly, doing this almost makes you feel like your head is actually rotating. From there you should start to feel the actual rotation.
The best visualization technique I have been able to come up with so far is to imagine I am laying in a hammock. I start swinging back and forth, and from there I keep swinging further and further. You need to really feel it though, it's not enough to just see it.
I've read the entire book, did everything Michael wrote. 2 weeks, no results. I'm not saying it's a bad book or anything, but I think his 'indirect techniques' dont work for everyone. Might try it again sometime. I switched back to MILD/DILD ( which he refers to as dream conciousness), and it has had the best results for me. Also gunna try to WILD soon.
I changed my routine to the better =)
Usually when I woke up from the 6 hour alarm I get out of bed only for some seconds or I didn't get up at all. This time I forced myself to get all the way to the bathroom and then go back to bed with the intention and everything worked as it should. I woke up observed the images and found myself standing in my living room! I looked at my hands and it was blurry and I was now lucid. But something was different... This experience was very vivid, more vivid than it normally is it felt like REALITY! Once again I forgot to use deepening and maintaining the dream, but this experience last for 1 minute and then I woke up and I did not try to get back to the dream for some reason, but anyhow this experience really gave me back my motivation and now I know that the method works only if you do it CORRECTLY!
Woohoo! .. Tonight when I enter the dream I will remember to use stabilization techniques.
This night I did the same routine,I dreamed abouta golden guitar pick and then I woke up and moved a little so I used forced falling asleep then I observed images and saw nothing, changed to listening in heard nothing, tried to phantom wiggling felt nothing... I observed images again and I saw a light! Then I was standing in my kitchen holding my golden pick from my previous dream and I looked at the clock hangin on the wall but it looked different than usual it had black and golden colours but in the "real" world it is white and black so now I knew for sure that I was dreaming. I remembered to use deepning techniques and I walked outside my door and it was raining and I was freezing, here I sort of doubt that it was a dream because it felt so real. But I walked out and touche the ground and the rain and breathe in the rainy air and I walked out to the street. I saw a man with two childs my first lucid dream DCs that were strangers. Then I decided to walk around in my neighbourhood but I lost my lucidity here because I didn't remember how to do maintaining techniques, because I have not read that yet. But this lucid dream lasted for approximately 5 minutes and then I woke up too excited to chain the dream x)
Tomorrow I will be prepared to maintain the dream too.
Hello, I made a separate thread about this but another member recommended that I post this here (I didn't know that there was a thread on Dreaviews devoted to these techniques that I just randomly picked up from websites)
So here is what happened-
Hmmm.... I do not know what this rolling over method is... but when I was trying out phantom wiggling I almost rolled my entire body over.. so would it be called rolling over?Quote:
A few nights ago, I woke up in the middle of the night, just randomly. I was going to open my eyes, but then I remembered reading that it was easier to go into sleep paralysis and then an LD after waking up from sleep.... so I kept my eyes closed and decided to WILD. I decided to try out a few techniques which I had read about earlier, which I had heard can help people induce LDs and OBEs. First of all, I tried something called 'phantom wiggling', which is basically, trying to move your body parts without moving any of your muscles... to separate from your actual body. I usually have trouble with this... but when I tried it.... I moved my arm almost all the way to the torso..without using my muscles (or at least it felt that way)... and then I moved my entire body and rested it in such a position that I was surprised that I could balance it at all! The movement felt so real... maybe it WAS real... but I didnt open my eyes to check, I couldn't miss this chance..
Next, I tried to listen to that buzzing sound that I usually get in my head when I try to WILD... it was really really loud, almost as loud as a jet plain... but my ears didnt hurt at all. Next I tried something called 'straining the brain'. In this technique... you must attempt to twitch and squeeze the brain (while forgetting that it is impossible to do so)... as soon as I did this, I immediately felt my brain compress, and just a split second later, I ears totally exploded with this strange noise... first it was like a BLOOOB and then a WOOOOOSH... all of a sudden, I felt my body lift up into the air at such a great speed... faster than a roller coaster. My body kept going up... up above... I saw streaks of purple light pass me by (which is strange because my eyes were closed) as I went higher and faster. After maybe one or two seconds, it felt as if I had ascended into a new layer... this layer was scary... there were streaks of red here... I felt evil-ness, and I 'felt' something that resembled demons or ghosts... I also think I heard screams. This was scary, but I kept my eyes shut... and soon, I was out of this layer... after which I stopped ascending.... and felt silence and calmness..no more noise.... I felt as if I was above everything... my house, me, the sky.... I thought 'WOOOOHOOOO!!!' and opened my eyes to see the view, but I found myself laying in bed. I wasnt in the position that I remember balancing either... I was back in the position I had originally fallen asleep in.
So WHAT was this? O_o
Have any of you had similar experiences? Was this an OBE? and LD? a false awakening?
I opened my eyes only when everything had settled down... but I found myself back in bed... why so? What did I do wrong (I think my opening my eyes is probably the reason this all didnt work out)?
Hey, glad u found the thread...
Also, here is the link to the free ebook by Michael Raduga that I also told you about. He talks in depth about the same techniques that you have tried. He also has forums that you can join :)
Yup, I've already downloaded, and am reading, the e-book. Thanks.
I thought I was really lucky to have an 'experience' after just a few attempts, but after reading a little bit of his book, I found out that it is quite normal for people to have some kind of progress with these techniques.
I want to know if any of you have experienced these 'layers' in OBEs, have you?
No lucid dream this night =/ The 3 days I got lucid dreams I went to bed 10 pm and got up 4 am. But now in the weekend I went to bed 12 pm and got up 5 pm o.O
Not enough sleep compared to the other days and not like the book said, so that is why I failed. I usually can't WILD in the weekends anyway, but I will try again this night. And now I am going to get up 6 hours after sleep ...
thanks very much for posting this, it worked rediculously well after just getting through about a third of it. ill be sure to finish reading it
heres a link to where you can read it online
School of Out-of-Body Travel. A Practical Guidebook | by Michael Raduga
something interesting happened yesterday.....
i woke up and started sttaring at the blackness behind my eyelids.....than i saw some visuals.......after some time the image started zooming and started becoming real.......but than suddenly my fear for obe overpowered me and i broke the phase state intentionally
Why do you fear an obe ? o.O
Yesterday night was a bit strange..
I woke up 3-4 times but always moved my body..
But around 5 am i woke up and opened my eyes...And after 1 minute i slept again..
Than around 9 am i started having consciousness but i found myself in sleep paralysis..
First i thought lets break sp but than i thought its a golden chance...Dont spoil it..
So i just relaxed and i started feeling vibrations....
After some time i tried to roll out and almost got separated but there was a strong force around my chest area...It pulled me..
Before i could do anything my mom came and started yelling...Get up..Get up...And just moved my body...Lol
this is the worst thing when you are having obe