Sensations and types of entry into WILD

In the last couple of tries I've been felling that I'm sinking into my bed. I also feel like my mind just shifted a bit to the left side (don't really know how to explain it better).
When I'm sinking it won't go away. It goes on forever.
The one time I tried to move I just woke up. Usually when I feel I might be dreaming I try and move one finger. It does move and I assume I'm not dreaming yet.
Also I usually feel very strong vibrations. I wake up from them not because I'm giving them to much attention but because they're really violent... The timing does seem right because when they wake me up I realize that I was on the verge of falling asleep. Don't know what to do..

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Originally Posted by gab

3. Try a motionless RC. Think "if this is a dream, I'm levitating" and pretend you are lifting up in the air. You can also practice this during day.

Then, you can either enter the dreamscape that you see behind your closed eyelids (sometimes all you see is darkness, which also could be a dream). Or stand up/roll out of your body into the dream.

Good luck:alien:

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When you mention to do a motionless RC by pretending that you're levitating I'm not really sure why. Is it just to open your eyes if you feel that you're actually levitating?

Also is there any other motionless RC that I can do without opening my eyes and blew everything if I'm still awake?
Not sure I'm fully understanding these motionless RCs. Sorry :S

One more thing. When you lay down with your eyes closed (and later too when there's HI going on) are you visualizing stuff by paying attention to the back of your closed eyelids or it's just on your head? I visualize stuff in my "head" like I'm dreaming or "day dreaming" and ignore what's going on my eyelids.

Jezzzaz I feel dum trying to explain this kind of stuff in English.
If something doesn't make sense I'll be happy to try again.

Thanks.
Cheers

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Originally Posted by sprada

When you mention to do a motionless RC by pretending that you're levitating I'm not really sure why. Is it just to open your eyes if you feel that you're actually levitating?

Also is there any other motionless RC that I can do without opening my eyes and blew everything if I'm still awake?
Not sure I'm fully understanding these motionless RCs.

One more thing. When you lay down with your eyes closed (and later too when there's HI going on) are you visualizing stuff by paying attention to the back of your closed eyelids or it's just on your head? I visualize stuff in my "head" like I'm dreaming or "day dreaming" and ignore what's going on my eyelids.

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You shouldn't test if you are asleep or in a dream by moving or opening your eyes. Motionless RC is to test reality without moving. If you suspect you are asleep, just think "if this was a dream, I would float to the kitchen". Or something similar.

Sometimes you already see the dream around you, but you just don't realize it. So if you see anything, you can think "if this was a dream, that wall would change color to blue". Or something similar.

And yes, you can start visualizing in order to kick start the dreaming process just by thinking about something. With your eyes closed. When you just layed down, you will most likely not see any HH right away. So you can watch the fog swirling behing your closed eyelids. You may notice some images forming later or even movies, that are the dreams already waiting for you to enter. Once you start seeing this, that will be the only thing you see and you don't have to pick if you wanna watch HH or back of your eyelids.

I normally have auditory hallucinations, last night I heard my door creak open and heard foot steps like a large wolf walked in to my room. I've had wolves/werewolves in my dreams since i was little scares the s**t out of me. It likes to ruin my wild attempts D: other than that i feel vibrations and see shapes on the back of my eyelids, sometimes I'm talking to people in my head, although i try not to interact like this to much other wise ill enter the dream non-lucid. Thanks for this thread Gab it was very helpful :D

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Originally Posted by shadowmaster

I normally have auditory hallucinations, last night I heard my door creak open and heard foot steps like a large wolf walked in to my room. I've had wolves/werewolves in my dreams since i was little scares the s**t out of me. It likes to ruin my wild attempts D: other than that i feel vibrations and see shapes on the back of my eyelids, sometimes I'm talking to people in my head, although i try not to interact like this to much other wise ill enter the dream non-lucid. Thanks for this thread Gab it was very helpful :D

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Lol, I did hear my door creak open once. In the middle of my room, where of course, there is no door. And I wasn't even WILDing, just doing some breathing excercises.

What can help is to keep thinking of something nice and peacefull. Like your next LD, and what you want to do in it. Unless it's slaying werewolves, lol. Then think of something else, like a nice meadow or floating in space.

And thank you :alien:

Ok, so I have a question, am I normal that I only experienced dream movies? I never felt any falling or vibration. Thank you

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Originally Posted by yj1214

Ok, so I have a question, am I normal that I only experienced dream movies? I never felt any falling or vibration. Thank you

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Can you please explain what you mean by "dream movies"?

And not everybody experiences all sensations, or not all the time. So yes, that's perfectly normal.

Hi,I'm a bit new here,so first of all hi :3.Second of all,I THINK I might have been sooo close to WILDing before,but I got too excited and woke up.I heard the door creak open,and I first,I was starting to get seriously scared because I didn't know what is was.Then I remembered what I had read here(yes,I've been stalking this site.For the past week.)and I calmed down,a bit,before getting excited again.That just made me wake up.The thing is,I'm not sure if I was actually awake or not,because it could have just been my mom or dad.

I have a bit of an issue whenever I attempt WILD. I have sometimes got to the point of vibrations (I think, at least - it's like my whole body is shivering, particularly in the stomach region), but I get a little distracted because, well, it gets my man bits "excited" as soon as I start trying to WILD :S I hope that's not inappropriate, but it happens every time.... Seriously frustrating.

Additionally, after vibrations have stopped, I'll say try and lift my arm or something, to see if I have sleep paralysis, but it just lifts straight away (although it feels strange), and I'm able to just get right up from bed, and I'm wide awake. Am I perhaps misreading signals or something?

Nanosr, I have seen others mention arousal as part of their WILD experience, so it isn't abnormal. I can see why it would be distracting, but lots of strange things can happen, and if you keep working on WILDing, you'll get better at just going with the flow.

As for your second issue, I would advise you to forget about the sleep paralysis. Despite what you may have heard, it isn't important, and you don't need it for WILDing. Checking whether you're in a LD is of course a good idea, but there are ways of doing that without waking yourself up. Have you tried simply looking through your eyelids? That works great because you just keep staring at the inside of your eyelids until you see something, and then you're 100% sure that you are dreaming and it's safe to get up and get on with whatever you want to do.

P.S.: I like your avatar! :)

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Originally Posted by WindDancer

Hi,I'm a bit new here,so first of all hi :3.Second of all,I THINK I might have been sooo close to WILDing before,but I got too excited and woke up.I heard the door creak open,and I first,I was starting to get seriously scared because I didn't know what is was.Then I remembered what I had read here(yes,I've been stalking this site.For the past week.)and I calmed down,a bit,before getting excited again.That just made me wake up.The thing is,I'm not sure if I was actually awake or not,because it could have just been my mom or dad.

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Yeah when I've been transitioning to a WILD, I've heard the door open, or heard people or pet come in the room, or onto the bed, when I KNEW that I was home alone. That's how I knew I was dreaming, so I just got up out of the bed and started the lucid. Super easy to mistake for real life and end up in a FA, I know that's right. Best thing is to assume you ARE dreaming, rather than miss the opportunity.

Thanks for all the help everyone! :3 I'll try to WILD again tonight,and this time,hopefully,I won't blow it.

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Originally Posted by WindDancer

Thanks for all the help everyone! :3 I'll try to WILD again tonight,and this time,hopefully,I won't blow it.

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Every attempt is a good attempt. Happy travels:alien:

Hi, I have been trying WILDs lately, and every night I have gotten closer (sometimes not). Today, I took a nap because I didnt get enough sleep (especially REM sleep) and attempted a WILD. I got relaxed and I didnt even have to say my mantra because I was aware enough already, I did later though. I listened to binaural beats and focused on relaxing each body part. After a while I got strong vibrations and I saw some shapes and patterns. This happened several times, and I was waiting for the dream. After a while a felt like I was floating and sinking and all of that. Nothing happened and I gave up after two hours. And yes I did a reality check and I wasnt dreaming. What did I do wrong? Maybe I wasnt close enough to the REM stage because it was at 3PM and I woke up at 6AM. Oh and I had a coffee half an hour earlier which probably wasnt the best idea. But still nothing happened even though I felt the vibrations and all of that.

Thank you for any help.

Sometimes we go through what seems like the transition, but nothing happens afterwards.

I think what you say could have happened. Maybe you were not close to REM.

But, have you RCed after the floating and sinking? What was the RC? Or maybe you got excited and it all ended because of that.

I wouldn't worry though, because what you describing is a wonderful progress. That's exactly how transition should be. Or at least some of them. Because you don't always experience same as you did last time. And please don't wait for images, HH or dreams. They may never show up, and you may transition differently. Like with motion sensations.

I have had the same thing happen to me what you are describing. Then I have read here on DV from others, how after or even during the sensations, they just stand up or roll out of their bodies. I was like "wow, really? I gotta try". So few times, I tried to stand up, but I could tell I'm not in a dream and my physical body would move had I completed the movement. But then one time, I tried again, and I stood up and I was inside of the dream. I was a surprise, because I was 100% sure, I'm still awake and it didn't work.

Leap of faith is the word. Good luck and happy travels.

Thank you so much, Gab! I really appreciate it. I will try this again, however I feel like it's kind of risky, because you can't really tell if you're in a dream or not. From what I understand, you just have to go for it, right? But I was wondering if it's possible to just wait till after the vibrations and wait until a dream forms. Is that possible? Or would you possibly already be in a dream. But my eyes would be closed. How would a dream have formed without me noticing it or seeing it happen? I suppose it makes sense I'm just a little confused. Or would the dream start in complete darkness so that the transition would be seamless?

- A WILDly confused dreamer :D

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Originally Posted by HanZartaC

...however I feel like it's kind of risky, because you can't really tell if you're in a dream or not. From what I understand, you just have to go for it, right? But I was wondering if it's possible to just wait till after the vibrations and wait until a dream forms. Is that possible? Or would you possibly already be in a dream. But my eyes would be closed. How would a dream have formed without me noticing it or seeing it happen? I suppose it makes sense I'm just a little confused. Or would the dream start in complete darkness so that the transition would be seamless?

- A WILDly confused dreamer :D

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Here is the deal:

If you are not asleep yet and not dreaming when you try to move, then your physical body will move. But if you are dreaming, then your dream body will move. To me, I can easily tell which body would move if I complete the motion. When I sense the physical would move, then I stop moving. But when the dream body moves, you realize it right away and you go "yeeey" and you complete the movement.

But, I don't just simply move when trying this. What I mean by "complete the motion":

You can practice this during day. Lay down on your back and roll to the side, as if rolling over, or when you start to stand up from the bed. Pay attention how your muscles and your body feels when you do that. Now do the same without actually moving your muscles. Give them mental command to roll to the side. Initiate the movement, but don't move. Imagine your dream body as a duplicate of your physical body, that's inside you. Same shape, same size, everything. Only it's not physical. You will be trying to roll that body out. Try to wiggle it side to side, try to roll it out. Imagine it turning and rolling and standing up.

Then when you are WILDing, do the same. Mental command while imagining how you roll. If you don't move, you are likely still awake. If you roll out, congrats, you are WILDing.

You can try different motionless RCs. You can also practice these. Again on your back, or whichever position you WILD in, hands where you normally have them during sleep. Try to lift your hands in front of you to see them. In a dream, your dream hands will move.

It's good to repeat some mantra while doing this. Maybe something "when I roll (see my hands), I'm dreaming".


You could just wait for a dream to form. But they don't always form like that. Sometimes you transition (cross) into a LD via some sensation, and not a visual. Don't wait for anything specific to happen. Many different things can happen, all you need to do is to recognize it. Which is easier said than done.

Yes, your eyes would be closed. But when you are in a LD, you are not seeing with your eyes.

For me, hardest transition to recognize was when I started seeing my room. I didn't see anything suspicous about it. There were no sensations, except maybe some vibrations. But I waited for some bigger "sign". So don't wait for big signs, you may be already in a dream at any point. Do motionless RC, try to levitate up, roll out, stand up...

It may take a few tries, you may stand up a few times and ruin your attempt, but every time will teach you how things feel and you will get a better feel of it for next time. Trial and error, there is no other way around it. Good luck and happy dreams

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Originally Posted by gab

Here is the deal:

If you are not asleep yet and not dreaming when you try to move, then your physical body will move. But if you are dreaming, then your dream body will move. To me, I can easily tell which body would move if I complete the motion. When I sense the physical would move, then I stop moving. But when the dream body moves, you realize it right away and you go "yeeey" and you complete the movement.

But, I don't just simply move when trying this. What I mean by "complete the motion":

You can practice this during day. Lay down on your back and roll to the side, as if rolling over, or when you start to stand up from the bed. Pay attention how your muscles and your body feels when you do that. Now do the same without actually moving your muscles. Give them mental command to roll to the side. Initiate the movement, but don't move. Imagine your dream body as a duplicate of your physical body, that's inside you. Same shape, same size, everything. Only it's not physical. You will be trying to roll that body out. Try to wiggle it side to side, try to roll it out. Imagine it turning and rolling and standing up.

Then when you are WILDing, do the same. Mental command while imagining how you roll. If you don't move, you are likely still awake. If you roll out, congrats, you are WILDing.

You can try different motionless RCs. You can also practice these. Again on your back, or whichever position you WILD in, hands where you normally have them during sleep. Try to lift your hands in front of you to see them. In a dream, your dream hands will move.

It's good to repeat some mantra while doing this. Maybe something "when I roll (see my hands), I'm dreaming".


You could just wait for a dream to form. But they don't always form like that. Sometimes you transition (cross) into a LD via some sensation, and not a visual. Don't wait for anything specific to happen. Many different things can happen, all you need to do is to recognize it. Which is easier said than done.

Yes, your eyes would be closed. But when you are in a LD, you are not seeing with your eyes.

For me, hardest transition to recognize was when I started seeing my room. I didn't see anything suspicous about it. There were no sensations, except maybe some vibrations. But I waited for some bigger "sign". So don't wait for big signs, you may be already in a dream at any point. Do motionless RC, try to levitate up, roll out, stand up...

It may take a few tries, you may stand up a few times and ruin your attempt, but every time will teach you how things feel and you will get a better feel of it for next time. Trial and error, there is no other way around it. Good luck and happy dreams

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Oh, wow! That actually makes perfect sense! I will practice this and really feel my physical body, so that when I am attempting a WILD I would know if it's my physical body or my dream body, correct? I am going to attempt a WILD tonight too. I have one more question, though. I obviously need an anchor for WILDs, but I'm not sure what to use. I could count, focus on breathing, say a mantra etc...Do I just have to experiment to find what works for me? And I have always either fallen asleep or not been able to sleep. I read somewhere about the yoyo effect: Dozing off and getting back to awareness and your anchor, then drifting away and coming back again. Is this what you're trying to do with the anchor?And are there any ways to exercise doing this passively? I know this is all about sensations and types of entry, but you seem to be knowledgeable about the WILD technique!
Thank you very much! :D

I always get into WILD by jumping into the screen. After all the awesome hallucinations I know I'm about to get into it when the screen appears, like a movie screen. First it's very small, then it gets bigger enough for me to jump into it, but recently everytime I pass through the screen I feel a very weird electric/vibration/buzzing/disturbing sensation I cannot properly describe, as if I'm passing through some kind of electromagnetic field... if I introduce my hand I feel it only in my hand, it feels only in the part of the body that I introduce into the screen, once I'm on the other side it gets back to normal, but this "layer" can really hold me back, not only because of the overwhelming sensation, but because it also acts as a big repellent magnet... has anybody experienced this???

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Originally Posted by kilham

I always get into WILD by jumping into the screen. After all the awesome hallucinations I know I'm about to get into it when the screen appears, like a movie screen. First it's very small, then it gets bigger enough for me to jump into it, but recently everytime I pass through the screen I feel a very weird electric/vibration/buzzing/disturbing sensation I cannot properly describe, as if I'm passing through some kind of electromagnetic field... if I introduce my hand I feel it only in my hand, it feels only in the part of the body that I introduce into the screen, once I'm on the other side it gets back to normal, but this "layer" can really hold me back, not only because of the overwhelming sensation, but because it also acts as a big repellent magnet... has anybody experienced this???

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Yeah, the entering the video, or screen as you say, was my earliest method of entering LDs. Started small, then grew into full field view, with me flying over it. Was fun : D

And the sensation you experience entering, hrm, I have not heard of it before. Can it be something that you kinda expect? Sometimes when I walk through solid objects I feel some resistance, as if I feared that i won't be able to do it. Not sure if what you saying is the same though.

But the magnetic thing - sometimes when I exit my body by standing up, I can walk away a few feet, only it gets harder and I'm being pulled back by what I call a bungy cord. I can claw at nearby objects to stop being pulled back, but it never helps.

It's probably one of those things, haha. Sure, I would love to know what it is, but if not, I'm just gonna enjoy it. Happy travels.

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Originally Posted by gab

[CENTER][B][SIZE="4"]Only we don't notice it, because if you not WILDing, by this time you are asleep.

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I think I might WILD without trying...

from this i see i almost became wild. i felt my body vibrating and i heard my doggy bark and it sounded very distorted when he did so.

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Originally Posted by ageofthunder

from this i see i almost became wild. i felt my body vibrating and i heard my doggy bark and it sounded very distorted when he did so.

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same thing happens with my box fan

Thanks to everyone involved in this discussion thread! :)

Was very helpful and I learned a lot reading it! Indeed it is very interesting to know the experiences of other users. You learn as much as with the tutorials! ;)

This weekend I will test some of the things I've learned here. I will try to tell you what happens... :)

I keep listening to a lucid hypnosis session while relaxing on my bed, I never seem to get in the dream. I need help.

BTW I listened to the mp3 in the afternoon.

I haven't really practiced WILD yet, although it is something I want to achieve. I think I've had some near-WILD-experiences as a child and even last night I had this. I was just lying in bed and if I stayed still long enough, it would feel as if my bed was rocking as if it was on a boat, or sometimes it would spin or go up and down as if I was on a roller coaster. Once I felt as if the bed was tilting upwards and I felt like I was going to fall out of bed. I would always do this at night to feel that sensation because I loved it so much, it was like being rocked to sleep (except when I felt like I was going to fall).

Now whenever I attempt WILD (or even just going to sleep), I have those sensations (water bed, heavy body as if someone was sitting on me, vibrations) and a couple of auditory hallucinations, but I find it hard to stay still, even when I do manage, my foot will start twitching. I try hard to focus on the patterns behind my eyelids or something else but end up tensing my foot so it will stop. I'm going to try the Dream Images entry tonight but I can never stop twitching or moving my hand just a little bit because I realise its in a straining position etc...