WILD Technique, for beginners and before sleep.

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Originally Posted by Looke

You just need focus... I dream a lot the minute I fall asleep in non-REM and instantly wake up after. I am very aware that WILD seemingly fails a lot before bed. However if you visit an Astral Projection/OBE forum you here many people talk of WILDing/Phasing or the same method but having much more success at bed. I feel people have been put off. The mind is more powerful than hearsay...Just my opinion.

Looke (:

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I have never been able to WILD from visualization..but that must be cool ;) BTW, how do you rate yourself in terms of attentional stability and visualization vividness? Those would be two important required factors, would you agree?

Your original idea of «partnership» seems very close to what is described in EWOLD regarding the «dream and lotus flame technique»

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Observe how the image of the flame in the lotus interacts with other images that arise in your mind. Do not
try to think about, interpret, or concern yourself with any of these images, but, under all circumstances,
continue to maintain your visualization.

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And in the original Openness Mind, by Tulku Tarthang, you can find an even richer description of the process. If you can understand spanish :) ( if not try google translator :P )

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Continúe manteniendo la imagen del loto y de la llama, y observe cómo los pensamientos surgen, y cómo la imagen visual del loto se entrelaza con ellos. Dese cuenta de que esos pensamientos y esas imágenes reflejan sus asociaciones pasadas y presentes y sus proyecciones futuras. Observe este proceso, pero siga concentrándose en el loto, para que su visualización se mantenga clara.
Es posible que otras imágenes sigan surgiendo en su mente, y que sienta que le es imposible liberar la mente de pensamientos, ni siquiera por un minuto. No se preocupe por los pensamientos; simplemente observe todo lo que aparezca. Aunque otras imágenes y pensamientos surjan en la mente, mientras el hilo de la visualización se mantenga intacto, ésta pasará al sueño. Sin embargo, si trata de interpretar o ‘pensar’ acerca de su visualización, romperá el hilo; se creará un vacío entre el estado de sueño y el de vigilia, y su visualización y su estado de consciencia se perderán. Su consciencia se perderá en el sueño, de modo que tenga cuidado: no fuerce la visualización; simplemente deje que tenga lugar, pero continúe concentrándose en el loto.

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Edit: This is just to say that your partnership idea has a very good support, not to say that you didn´t have a great and original idea :)

The concept of my term "partnership" was me trying to explain it the easiest way possible. In actual fact this was just my attempt to put forward a concept I have been working on and have took bits and bobs from here there and everywhere. I won't lie I have not come across the dream and lotus flame technique. This was more me trying to help beginners I am sure others use this technique all over the world. Most techniques involving conscious exits are based on WILD its means all achieve the same ends. My dream stabilization using this technique is normally quite solid as it is consistent the moment I enter the visualization same with the normal WILD. However my stabilization is shockingly poor when I wake up mid way through the night and enter a dream or have a rare DILD. My visualization is poor for the first 5 minutes but after 10 - 15 minutes its quite strong. Hope that helps.

Looke (:

awesome guide. But I was wondering do I have to partner this with WBTB method?:lol:

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Originally Posted by Looke

You just need focus... I dream a lot the minute I fall asleep in non-REM and instantly wake up after. I am very aware that WILD seemingly fails a lot before bed. However if you visit an Astral Projection/OBE forum you here many people talk of WILDing/Phasing or the same method but having much more success at bed. I feel people have been put off. The mind is more powerful than hearsay...Just my opinion.

Looke (:

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I've always felt there was a lot of potential at bedtime but we are constantly reminded that WILD attempts are futile until we are bordering on REM at 4a.m. I've personally logged hundreds of interesting dreams within the half hour after first falling asleep. I have no clue if they are non-REM dreams or if my cycles are not traditional but about a third of my lucids were early-night DILDs. I've stopped trying WILD at bedtime but I'll try your suggestions and let you know what happens.

Neat, I've tried something similar, but not quite.
I think once I finish my 30 days of trying SSILD (in a couple of days), I will try this technique for 30 days.

Is it really possible?!dude thank you so much.I can't wake up in the middle of night because I have to wake up too soon for school.
BTW is it good for beginners who haven't experienced lucid dream yet?
This one is stupid but anyway:Does noise interrupt your attempt?
and in every guide about WILD which I read they said that it's too hard or even impossible to WILD right before bed.While you say with this method we can WILD in about 15 minutes.
Thanks

I've been working with techniques I'd categorise as "interact with HH" techniques. I tweaked SSILD, because SSILD can produce HH for me fairly quickly sometimes. The idea I was toying with was that I'd want to produce HH that I'd be spatially aware of - are they appearing above me, level with me, or below me? The idea being that I would find myself either flying from the start of an LD, or I'd get the idea to fly, due to my increased spatial awareness. Here's how that version of SSILD was performed:

1) For the visual part I'd lie on my back and "see" the ceiling of my bedroom. Not extreme visualisation, just a gentle awareness of the ceiling above me instead of the "black void" you see when you close your eyes.
2) For the feeling part I'd focus on the feeling of my body lying horizontally in bed. You could say I "focused on horizontalness".
3) For the hearing part I'd focus on the room below me downstairs, like I was trying to hear sounds from there.

So there are three levels focused on in this version of SSILD - above me, level with me and below me. I would - fairly passively - log where the HH (which could be sounds, voices and half-images) occurred. I've only tried it once so far and experienced a very vivid dream when I saw water from the sea climbing up levels in a field. Interesting. It's also worth noting that I don't want to mess with the basics of SSILD too much so that it can be just the SSILD alone that could produce an LD (SSILD hasn't got a good track record for producing LDs in me, but it does increase my dream vividness). Belts and braces, maybe.

Incidentally, I've done a SSILD experiment where I'd imagine I'm doing SSILD above the ground - like I'm lying on a cloud or something. That has produced dreams where I'd be up in the air, but not enough to make me lucid. Maybe an extra component would improve this?

This sounds really promising. I will try it tonight.

Hi!
I just found this and I like the idea! I always wanted a technique to use when first going to bed! I think I will combine this with my proven "phase" technique that I will do after "WBTB".
But I am curious... Many people promised to report results here but none did! What happened? No success at all?
Even Looke seems to be away - didn't reply to Ramins post...
Nevertheless, if I manage to do it, I will report here!

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But I am curious... Many people promised to report results here but none did! What happened? No success at all?

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Hi.Same here.Hope you post your results.
I tried to do it.But the noises kept distracting me and finally gave up...Maybe a quiet night I try it.
BTW check this method also:flowofmysoul tutorial
It really sounds promising.As soon as I find a way to not bother others with the noise or a headphone that doesn't f**k my ear I'll try it.
Good luck ;)

I'll give it a try.
Wish me well.
Looks promising.

Ok, I gave it a try last night.
After relaxing and getting ready to drift, I imagined I was just outside my home and then started walking. I kept losing and getting again the imagery. At some time different, quite bright images started appearing. Not similar to my image but different. I watched them but as soon as I looked at them, they disappeared. Tried to continue my own images but I drifted to sleep without realizing it...
I will try this again but didn't see anything interesting in this first try.

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Originally Posted by Ramin2097

... check this method also:flowofmysoul tutorial
It really sounds promising....

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Hi,
Yes, I liked it. I will definitely try the audio book thing...

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Originally Posted by Ramin2097

....As soon as I find a way to not bother others with the noise or a headphone that doesn't f**k my ear I'll try it...

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Yep, sleeping with a partner is quite a problem for this - both for audio queues and for recording your dreams...
However I did find sth that is quite helpful:
In the REM-Dreamer web site, there is a pic that has a flat headphone:Attachment 7999So, I stripped a pair of headphones from their cases :Attachment 8000and attached them to my REM-Dreamer :Attachment 8001. You can also attach them to a sleep mask if you don't have a device. It's not perfect, but way better than any other for sleeping on your side!

I would love to find out that this works for me.
And to give it a proper chance I guess you needed to try it for a while.
I felt very close to it the couple of times (?) I tried, also at bedtime, but like Fryingman, somehow when stuff got realistic and tending to 3D - I got a small shock, sort of - adrenaline rising and that was it then. It happened for several times until I gave up on it, I wasn't able to control the physical arousal (not what you might be thinking of now, Fryingman - rather a fight/flight response..:D)

whenever i try this technique i always fall asleep in the creation stage. any suggestions to fix this?

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Originally Posted by LDleader

whenever i try this technique i always fall asleep in the creation stage. any suggestions to fix this?

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In the first post (description), the OP says that if you fall asleep easily, do not get comfortable. Start the technique from a less comfortable position in bed.
I would also add: don't do it when you are very tired. I tried it - and will try it again - in days that I had taken some naps during the day and wasn't very tired at bed time.
Another thing might be to actively try to stay aware during the creation process.
You could, for example, repeat to yourself that "I am aware now" as you are looking at your creation. This works very well for me to prolong my awareness while falling asleep.
Just some thoughts, but hope this could help!

I gave this another try yesterday, without interesting results. After deeply relaxing, I started the creation process but I never achieved stable images. I guess I am not good at visualization... I kept imagining my scenery but kept loosing it. I went on to interaction - walking and climbing - although I never achieved a stable image in the first place. This made me wide alert and I knew it was leading nowhere. So, I just relaxed again, and drifted to sleep....

I used to do something similar to this often when I experimented with daydreams some months ago.
Usually I'd call them lucid daydreams, as I only reached the stage of indulging all my senses in the visualization (I actually started to feel, hear, see and taste/smell things), but half of my awareness was still grounded in reality.
You can do this anywhere at any time, basically. Most of the times I did it while I was sunbathing on my balcony.

The only struggle with this is finding a position which prevents you from falling asleep fast, but at the same time doesn't prevent you from getting relaxed and tired.
Thanks for posting your tutorial, while reading it I got motivated to do this again :D

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Originally Posted by insideout

Neat, I've tried something similar, but not quite.
I think once I finish my 30 days of trying SSILD (in a couple of days), I will try this technique for 30 days.

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if you make a thread in this regard, i will join too! we should give a method at least one month to get result from it. then they become our second nature. now SSILD is part of me after 2 month of consistent practice, so this technique can be like that if i practice it well.

Although I had some success the first time I tried this technique, for some reason it has been difficult for me. Most of the time I have trouble visualizing anything and don't stay focused.
I know I've had success with a similar approach in the past, but most of the time I get nothing. I'm not sure what it is that makes those few times work out. There must be some subtle difference in what I'm doing or when I do it.

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Originally Posted by insideout

Although I had some success the first time I tried this technique, for some reason it has been difficult for me. Most of the time I have trouble visualizing anything and don't stay focused.
I know I've had success with a similar approach in the past, but most of the time I get nothing. I'm not sure what it is that makes those few times work out. There must be some subtle difference in what I'm doing or when I do it.

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Try it while sitting upright/meditating. If you stay relaxed for a while, you'll get vivid thoughts automatically. The longer you wait, the more vivid those images will become. Usually after 5-15 minutes of not moving much you should start to get vivid daydreams. Also, when you sit upright it keeps your focus/awareness up a lot easier. With the right mindset, you can WILD with this while sitting anywhere or even when you're meditating ;)

I found that WILD is definitely my easiest and most natural way of going Lucid. All others seem hard. Actually, this is what I did the first time. I laid down and was waiting for sleep. Put on some AMAZING binaurals (Neuroscape - try it) and began visualizing a comforting scene. I made a waterfall place, with a beautiful bridge and I imagined falling down the waterfall, but focusing on the water instead of the pain that would come when I reached the rocks at the bottom. My subconscious took over, and made me lay down at the bottom of the waterfall and it made shadows appear, I was getting tired but wasn't letting go of my consciousness. I began feeling vibrations and sensations, and soon I felt wet from the water—amazing! But it didn't last long because I was awakened from my sleep. I still don't feel comfortable doing this at the beginning of sleep because these dreams don't last long and my family tend to be awake. The dreams are more vivid when REM.

Looks promising, i'll stick with this technique for the time being. I'm confident that this will work. Going for a shot tonight. Will update on progress.

1- Well. I can't seem to relax with any technique, i confirmed today. I will have to see through some relaxation techniques.
2- I have found a way to relax. It's very easy too, i can feel it already.

As everyone has said above this technique does look promising and I would definitely be trying it out in the next half an hour :) thanks!

I´ve read the tutorial and it's very promising. I used to have lots of LD (5 or 6 years ago), 2 or 3 weekly, and I was amazed on how I was able to control them more and more with time. I don´t know what happened but I lost the ability, now I have LDs, luckily, twice a year. I haven´t try hard to have them back, because I didn't had a technique back then, I just realized I was dreaming and that's it. Now I want to focus on some way to have LDs on demand (easier said than done), but first I have to convince myself that is possible. I will definitely try this technique, I can´t remember a better experience than what lucid dreams offer. Thank you for the tutorial.

Enjoy your dreams!