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day 8=
i did WBTB and when i started my practice something odd happened...i was close to fall sleep and then very clear pictures came into my mind. it was not a scene but picture of some fool people without any background. i was not in SP so that's weird! (or maybe i didn't recognized it).
day 9=
i don't understand! i was close to WILD but when ever i got closer i got nervous and rolled over with stress! it happened several times!
sounds like my subconscious mind is afraid that LD eats her?
I haven't been on here because I had a really busy week with school and stuff but I've been trying this the whole time, unfortunately not very successfully. I haven't progressed the slightest bit; whenever I try imagining myself walking somewhere or doing something I either fall asleep or my thoughts just drift off. So, I'm actually ready to give up because I feel like I could use my precious WBTB's more efficiently.
oh sorry to hear that!
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day 10=
passing HH is getting much easier. also some scene were very realistic. even i was convinced to just observe them as they pass and didn't participate in them. after some minutes i fell sleep. LOL
so i still need to participate in them until i become expert in passing HH.
day 11=
i was very tired and fell sleep while starting the practice.
day 12=
after WBTB, i tried this technique. after some minutes, i felt kind of vibration and i felt i am very light and i was out of my body. i could hear my breathing very loud....sounds like it was another one's breath. it seems to be an OBE but i count it as LD as part of my resute.
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LD= 2
day 13=
LOL...after 2 minutes of HH, i felt sleep but i had very vivid dreams.
day 14=
after 2 minutes of doing the technique, i had vivid audio hallucinations like something was broken in my mind ears in far distance. but then i passed out. so i may want to try this method on the chair again so i won't fall sleep easily.
i was too tired to practice so i don't count it as a proper day attempt
day 15=
well, today i let myself to sleep completely for 8 hours. when i was about to wake up to start my daily tasks, i allowed myself to try this method for 10 minutes. i have accepted that i am not advanced to fully imagine my room to kitchen so i only focused on one target which is in another room (a candle holder which i love it so much).
i tried to fully recreate it in my mind and suddenly i felt my body is vibrating. i tried not to pay attention to these "noises".
then that candle holder turned into a green bottle (which witches create...LOL) and it was a sign of HH start. so i hold my attention back to it very firmly.
then after 5 minutes, i felt very long filaments of energy is coming out of my body toward that target (like astral projecting?) and i was pushed to that target very heavily and i was there! i am not sure how many seconds it lasted as i got too exited!
so i may count it as an LD but a very premature one.
for next days, i may want to try playing with HH for only one object in the room instead of exploring the whole home.
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number of attempt= 15
number of LD= 3
day 16=
after WBTB, i tried to first imagine walking inside the room to induce HH or HI (whatever you like;) ).
then like previous day, i started to focus on the candle holder as one object in the room to induce more controllable HH and to enter to dream by it, easier. not only i didn't have any HH, but i only felt heavy rush of energy turbulence into my third eye which scared the hell out of me. then i felt very strong energy movement from my body toward the candle holder (like a tunnel) which really shocked me.
it happens while astral projecting. but....i don't want AP and i only want lucid dreams to have some fun. i expected it would happen inside my mind not out of my body.
fortunately it stopped happening. i don't know how to direct it to have LD....
day 17=
i was very tired and fell sleep.
Hi Yaya!
Congrats on you results! :goodjob2:
That's great progress and I just got inspired to join you and try this again - although I might not keep it up for 30 days like you...
Apart from that, have a few suggestion for you!
First, whenever you encounter vivid images or clear sounds, just imagine floating out of your body or rolling out. If you just keep watching, most likely you will fall asleep. But if you imagine floating, it is very likely that you will separate your dream body and a full blown lucid will begin - it happened to me once and I intend to try this again!
Also, don't avoid OBEs! You can easily turn them into lucids once you are out - and I'm my view, they basically are lucids in the first place. This way, you are just missing opportunities!
Anyway, keep it up and I will try to join!
Btw, seeing very vivid images does not equal having a LD, but your trials are very interesting nonetheless...
Hi SearcherTMR! thank you so much for your help! and yes, it worth trying. although it is not a complete WILD method but it is a complement for that as it only focuses on HI interaction which is a big barrier for every WILD technique.
when i see those vivid images, i am convinced to make them deeper and i am afraid to roll out to ruin it. but this time i try to be more brave and to roll out. :)
i only consider those vivid images as LD if i feel myself and my whole dream body in that environment. they are not proper LD as you said and i don't count them as my overall LD counts in my profile but i report them in this thread to show that this method could work for some extends.
there are some changes in these 30 days pathway. at first i only walked through my room to kitchen in my mind while falling sleep (as it was mentioned in the original method). although it triggered HH very fast, but suddenly the whole scene changed into another place which made to loose control. but in these days, i still walk from room into kitchen in my mind and when HH start, i stop this imagination and i only focus on one object (candle-holder). in this way, HH are more controllable as my mind is focused on a single point and it gave me better results.
about astral projection:
well, i am afraid of AP because i am afraid of ghosts! LOL....i like demons but ghosts are are pathetic and mysterious.:chuckle: i know how to make an LD to AP but i don't know how to do the reverse. how is that possible?
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day 18=
after WBTB, i did the technique and while focusing on the candle-holder, suddenly i saw myself in a desert and a face of an angry old man was just in front of me....stupid asshole...! it scared me and i couldn't focus any more. so i fell sleep.
I like this idea of trying something for 30 days, no matter what, I admire it, so I admire your determination and motivation yaya and others.
I have been able to have my first complete OBE few days ago, and it was by imagining myself separating my dream body from my real body.
This OBE was really tricky cause I saw my "real" body sleeping while I was "out" of my body, and during the dream I was persuaded that OBE finally are real.
But the room in which my "real body" was asleep has never existed IRL, and that why I continue to think that OBEs, even if they seam real, are a certain form of LD, so you don't have to be afraid yaya.
The separation feeling was very intense, and I mentally kinda talked to myself during it to keep calm and to remember all of these moving sensations are dream hallucinations.
If you continue your OBE, you will see that you can touche objects , you can have no body but make appear your hands like if you were doing two guns appear in front of your eyes in a WestErn movie. You will probably float in the air, but you can Walk on the floor if you really want to.
Anyway, you are safe while a OBE and you can turn it into a normal LD if you want to.
@seacherTMR : maybe you should consider doing a chosen technique for a predetermined period, like for example 30 days, and do it until the end, no mater what.
You seam to give few chances (and I do it the same way) to a technique or another, and skip it if it doesn't give results fast , but I guess certain techniques need many attempts before starting to give long term results.
Why not involve yourself (and it is right for me too) in an "30 days of doing" something ?
Hi Yaya,
well, my experience is exactly like Kaan's: OBEs are actually lucids right from the beginning. The differences are experiential - feeling the separation and seeing yourself in bed - but apart from that, they are the same thing. If you watch carefully when out of body - I have been a few times - there are differences from your real room, and that's something everyone reports. So, this can't be your real room. It's a dream replica of your room, so, in fact you are in a lucid dream already. The question of course is, if it's a lucid, how can you see things from the real world that you didn't know of beforehand? My experience is that in this state - lucid or astral - the mind can perceive information from across space and time (i.e. Precognitive dreams, going to real places in an astral etch). I know that as I practice remote viewing and I get accurate target images from distant locations...
About your fear of ghosts, it's just your fear that makes them manifest - the same can happen in a Lucid, you know that. Whenever you imagine or fear something in a Dream, it just manifests - that's how nightmares begin. So, fear is the problem, not OBEs. Just be positive and expect light and joy! Practically, when an OBE begins, just treat it like a lucid. Stabilize it, feel yourself or touch things, go outside and just do your lucid goals. You will soon be in a completely dream like environment if you treat it like this!
@Kaan. Yes, you are right. I always go for quick results and I don't know if I can overcome this - I get disapointed if after a few days I have no results - I get tired- but I like people like Yaya that keep their word and are consistent.
As for 30 days, I might do this with visualization - HI observation, but not in a row, i simply can't affords to try every night.
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So, 1st day yesterday: visualization before going to bed. Started with my kitchen, then a simple object (a glass), then when HI started, I just observed them - I got quite clear images and at a point, a movement sensation - but still was firm in bed. Then again when going to bed and at an awakening at 02:00. WBTB at 06:00, short visualization exercise again and later a short Lucid. Quite happy with that!
WOW! thank you so much guys! you are really like superman as your avatar to help the humanity! LOL!
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Originally Posted by Kaan
i bet that was really amazing! Watching our helpless body from the perspective of our soul would have deep changes on our attitude toward life and death too! so congratulations Kaan!
yes! and today, i noticed there is another way to turn our practice to LD or to AP in the beginning. if i consider that candle holder is really at the corner of my room , and i feel myself in front of it, i will have no HI and suddenly my energy body starts to intensely vibrate and i feel i am projection heavily toward that target although i am not actually in theta brain state and am a little more awake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaan
but if i consider that handle holder is not real in space and time and it's only in my mind, and then i start to imagine it in my head, then HI would start and i feel no projection of energy and only ordinary LD processes will begin.
Sure! In first place LD and AP are the same but with a little difference. Buddhist practitioners practice LD as their dream yoga and then after they have mastered their chakra systems, they start to learn astral projection. According to their training, LD is just their imaginations but AP is something that really happens outside their body. We control everything in LD but in AP we don’t have many choices! That’s why it scared me. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by SearcherTMR
Definitely! Maybe that’s the reason behind gaining some accurate knowledge about future or doing shared dreams in LDs! So LDs are not really bunch of imaginations!Quote:
Originally Posted by SearcherTMR
Well, I try my best….maybe I need to have more LDs to overcome the fear of unknown. My LDs are a little with sad theme too so if I try to be positive and expect light and joy in them would help to program my sub-conscious for AP too! ^-^Quote:
Originally Posted by SearcherTMR
Congratulations! That’s really great for the first try!Quote:
Originally Posted by SearcherTMR
Day 19=
I did my routine but this time I tried to imagine the candle-holder only in my mind (not to consider that it really exist in the room). Then it turned to clear images and then I fell asleep. Suddenly I woke up spontaneously and I was lighter than usual. It was a FA. I RC and it showed I am dreaming. I had LD for 10 minutes (but one bad thing about FA is that it starts from my bed and as I can’t teleport right, I always just explore my home which is killing boring!) In half of those 10 minutes I was practicing teleporting which had no results……
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Number of attempt= 19
Number of LD= 4
Hey, we are just part of the community - helping each other is what every member does - or should do!
That's what I am saying. Whatever you expect (OBE or Lucid) you get. Well done! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by yaya
You've got two points here. First one is a point of view - the Buddhist world view. It might be correct but not necessarily. My experience, as well as similar experiences of others, suggest that in fact we never leave our bodies - we just perceive information from distant locations and recreate that place like virtual reality - same about our room and our body. I might be wrong in that one of course, but that's not the important part (point). What really matters is that the degree of control over the OBE depends on what you believe to be true (same applies to Lucids as well as waking life - see the law of attraction).Quote:
Originally Posted by yaya
Not every Lucid is controllable - in some lucids you can't even fly just because you doubt that you can. Same in the astral realm, if you believe you are helpless, that will be your experience and many things will scare you. But if you believe and KNOW that you have all the power and no-one can harm you, that will also be your experience! That's the important part and once you truly realize it and understand the truth of it, you continue your waking life as well as your lucids and OBEs with confidence and joy!
Of course knowing something is different from doing it, but it's a start. Practice can prove it true to you and changing your beliefs can change your experience! :-P
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Day 2. Slept late at 00:00, did some visualization - being in the kitchen, an apple etch - but not for long. After WBTB (05:00) did the same but fall asleep almost right away till morning...
SearcherTMR ! thank you very much for your clarification around AP! now i feel more comfortable with that issue!:) sometimes our first hand experiences are better than any religious believes!
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day 20=
i did the technique, but when i was close to drift into sleep, i felt a very strong painful electricity in one of my fingers which shocked me....damn sadist HI....i woke up again near the end of my sleep hours and i was too awake to practice so i woke up to start my day....LOL.
after WBTB, i started inventing a new version of this method but it only gave me a bad insomnia and i am awake until now. LOL...
i don't count today as an attempt.
^^ me too!
I had the ingenious idea to sit upright in bed for my visualizations (previous attempts were lying down) and all I got was severe back-ache, so I stopped my attempt quite early yesterday night with no results whatsoever...
ha ha...LOL...sorry to hear about that pain...how about sitting on a comfortable chair? it worked well for some times for me!
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day 21=
after WBTB, i tried my invention again (my invention was that when ever i see the HI, i say to myself that they are not real...so i would keep the logic part of my brain awake). i did it for 5 minutes and i could stay awake but i got a bad headache....then i fell asleep for some minutes and then i had 10 minutes of FA....
i was chilling in my bed for 10 minutes and i didn't know i was dreaming? if i had an RC, i would get lucid, but....WTF
then i woke up and saw myself in a different position so i knew it was an FA.
oh no.....maybe i need to stop my stupid inventions and stick to the original method for now.
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FA= 1
LD=4
Yep, I think I will do it - I had thought of it but I kind of didn't like the idea of getting out of bed in a cold chair in the middle of the night...
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3 rd night: went to bed 23:00, did my visualization - imagined a place I visited yesterday and I got quite a steady image, although not clear. When other imagery appeared I went with it trying to stay conscious - but I drifted to sleep. Then WBTB at 05:40, again visualization but this time i fell asleep almost right away till morning.
I guess I have to try sleeping in a chair after WBTB if I want any results... but if I get nothing, I will certainly not keep up for 30 days - Kaan was right about me!;-)
nice progress..im stuck at hh too haha
day 22=
well i can't stop inventing....LOL...so i tested a new variation of this method and it worked great! instead of imagining my real home, i imagined a pathway in my previous dream. it was very easier to remember and recreate that scene in my mind because my mind has already dreamed it. i imagined i am walking from point A to point B of my last dream and then many other forgotten details of my dream flashed into my mind and made that scene alive. suddenly my body felt light and everything went into darkness and i was rotating in complete void. i couldn't create a new scene so it ended.