WOW! thank you so much guys! you are really like superman as your avatar to help the humanity! LOL!
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I have been able to have my first complete OBE few days ago, and it was by imagining myself separating my dream body from my real body.
This OBE was really tricky cause I saw my "real" body sleeping while I was "out" of my body, and during the dream I was persuaded that OBE finally are real.

i bet that was really amazing! Watching our helpless body from the perspective of our soul would have deep changes on our attitude toward life and death too! so congratulations Kaan!


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If you continue your OBE, you will see that you can touche objects , you can have no body but make appear your hands like if you were doing two guns appear in front of your eyes in a WestErn movie. You will probably float in the air, but you can Walk on the floor if you really want to.
Anyway, you are safe while a OBE and you can turn it into a normal LD if you want to.
yes! and today, i noticed there is another way to turn our practice to LD or to AP in the beginning. if i consider that candle holder is really at the corner of my room , and i feel myself in front of it, i will have no HI and suddenly my energy body starts to intensely vibrate and i feel i am projection heavily toward that target although i am not actually in theta brain state and am a little more awake.
but if i consider that handle holder is not real in space and time and it's only in my mind, and then i start to imagine it in my head, then HI would start and i feel no projection of energy and only ordinary LD processes will begin.

Quote Originally Posted by SearcherTMR View Post
well, my experience is exactly like Kaan's: OBEs are actually lucids right from the beginning. The differences are experiential - feeling the separation and seeing yourself in bed - but apart from that, they are the same thing.
Sure! In first place LD and AP are the same but with a little difference. Buddhist practitioners practice LD as their dream yoga and then after they have mastered their chakra systems, they start to learn astral projection. According to their training, LD is just their imaginations but AP is something that really happens outside their body. We control everything in LD but in AP we don’t have many choices! That’s why it scared me. LOL!
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My experience is that in this state - lucid or astral - the mind can perceive information from across space and time (i.e. Precognitive dreams, going to real places in an astral etch). I know that as I practice remote viewing and I get accurate target images from distant locations...
Definitely! Maybe that’s the reason behind gaining some accurate knowledge about future or doing shared dreams in LDs! So LDs are not really bunch of imaginations!
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So, fear is the problem, not OBEs. Just be positive and expect light and joy! Practically, when an OBE begins, just treat it like a lucid. Stabilize it, feel yourself or touch things, go outside and just do your lucid goals. You will soon be in a completely dream like environment if you treat it like this!
Well, I try my best….maybe I need to have more LDs to overcome the fear of unknown. My LDs are a little with sad theme too so if I try to be positive and expect light and joy in them would help to program my sub-conscious for AP too! ^-^
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So, 1st day yesterday: I got quite clear images and at a point, a movement sensation - but still was firm in bed. Then again when going to bed and at an awakening at 02:00. WBTB at 06:00, short visualization exercise again and later a short Lucid. Quite happy with that!
Congratulations! That’s really great for the first try!

Day 19=

I did my routine but this time I tried to imagine the candle-holder only in my mind (not to consider that it really exist in the room). Then it turned to clear images and then I fell asleep. Suddenly I woke up spontaneously and I was lighter than usual. It was a FA. I RC and it showed I am dreaming. I had LD for 10 minutes (but one bad thing about FA is that it starts from my bed and as I can’t teleport right, I always just explore my home which is killing boring!) In half of those 10 minutes I was practicing teleporting which had no results……
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Number of attempt= 19
Number of LD= 4