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Hi guys, immediately after the presentation I come here to ask something to you expert lucid dreamers about the wild.
My problem is that I stay still for a long time but nothing happen any paralysis, any hipnagogic imagery or hipnagogic hallucinations only some blobs of colour, the phospens. Recently I had some HI but appears only after I decide to stop the wild and this image goes very fast and are only on a little part of what I see the rest is all black. Sorry guys if my English sucks
What are you doing while you are just lying there? Are you just lying there thinking about different things? I would at least focus on some kind of anchor, and hopefully one that allows you to fall asleep. Different folks here do different things: repeating a mantra to themselves (which I don't do, so they will need to explain that), visualizing your next dream scene, focusing on a visualization (beads of light in the forehead, throat, or chest are common), or focusing on your body.
The reason the HI began is because you relaxed and decided to go to sleep. WILD won't happen if your body doesn't fall asleep, so you may just be keeping yourself awake. You want to be in between the two extremes of total wakefulness and total unconscious sleep. Helpful links:
WILD
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ild-guide.html
While I'm doing the wild I think at something at a scene that I'd like to be my dream or I focus on the relaxation of my body thinking at each part of my body. Or I look at those blobs of colors and eventually nothing happenQuote:
Originally Posted by ThreeCat
WBTB
I do it but I can't wildQuote:
Originally Posted by Dthoughts
"Recently I had some HI but appears only after I decide to stop the wild and this image goes very fast and are only on a little part of what I see the rest is all black."
- I think there it lies. If you had a succesful HI. When you attempt a wild. Are you focusing on performing a wild? Is it true that you let go in this instance and dropped all ur focus. When suddenly a HI appears? I think that is what you should keep doing.
I like a little bite in the middle of the night. When I performed a WILD it was so easy, a small amount of Imagery forms and I do absolutely nothing and just observe it going bigger until I can move into the dream scene and tadaa.
Hey there,
I have the same problem as you. I'm a light sleeper, used to waking up multiple times a night, and as a consequence tend to fall asleep again very fast as well (usually within 10 seconds, even after having gotten out of bed to go to the toilet for instance). I think the trick is to find the exact length of wakefulness (or activity) to get you to a state where you're awake enough so you don't immediately fall asleep, but not too awake so that the WILD attempt will keep you awake. That's something only you can do though, and might require some experimentation.
I have to admit for me at least it's not an easy thing. As a light sleeper, its far far less difficult to initiate lucid dreams from dreaming state then from waking.
Wishing you good WILD'ing...
-Redrivertears-
I tried many times the wild in the afternoon. I know Is less difficult doing after 5-6 hour of sleep and in fact I'm more sleepy after that amount of hour but when I try f doing the wild after that amount of hour I fell more and more uncomfortable than when I do it in the afternoon and I have to stop. One of my big problem was that I don't fall asleep now I fall asleep but only if I don't focus on nothing and if I don't focus on nothing I can't do a wild because I must be awareQuote:
Originally Posted by Redrivertears
Yeah, that was my problem I focus to much on doing the wild but after I saw the mzzck wild guide I try to not focus on the wild only on a little pain or on a sound but then I fall asleep without success. And I can't find a good way of to remain aware because or I fall asleep or I stay there without doing nothing for 30-40 minutes. On what do you focus when you try a wild. Ah and when I try a wild any image arrive it only arrive 2 times and it was very fast, very little and it faded away after some seconds. Normally I see only phoshens for all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dthoughts
Hello NovaKZ,
As Redrivertears mentioned, it sounds to me like you are having difficulties finding the perfect amount of time to stay awake after a WBTB. You just have to keep tinkering with the time frame until you find what works best for you. Generally, if you are performing a WBTB in the middle of the night, it shouldn't take 40 minutes to renter REM.
I've used a large variety of anchors while attempting WILD. The ones that always work best for me are either discomfort anchors (mentioned in BillyBob's WILD guide), or focusing on my next dream scene. I hope some of this information has helped!
I think generally speaking you should be asleep in 30 minutes. Regardless if you wild or not. To increase chances of Lucid dream or dreaming in general. (since you are actually falling asleep and not staying awake) in wbtb shoulden't take long.
Normally during the wbtb I write my dream and I do some reality checks but I saw that I'm to awake after that time, normally 20-30 minutes. From a couple of days I do the wbtb only going to the bathroom drink some water and then try the wild. But trying the wild I don't become more sleepy but I awake myself more, and I have to stop because I'm too uncomfortable or I stayed to much. I say again that I don't see any HI Ora have HH only phospens.
Ai i forgot to tell that normally I fell asleep fast but only in the wild I have some problems falling asleep