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      Before we start I need you to clear your mind of all the preconceived notions you may have about WILD. All of this crazy-advanced-hard-to-understand mumbo jumbo thats been being piped into your head was based on false premises. The people that were trying to teach you how to WILD actually had no idea what was happening when they laid down and WILDed, they just knew that what they did worked for them, and thus it must work for others.

      Alright, so that was a very big statement that I'm sure offended a whole bunch of good people.
      Let me call out one fact to justify what I've just said: have you ever heard of a WILD technique that works for everyone?

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      Understanding WILD can seem incredibly daunting. Why is it that some people seem to be incapable of WILDing, whereas others go to bed and get it right on night one? Also, why don't we all just WILD randomly during the day as we're lying still watching the tube?

      I've been WILDing for a very long time. To be perfectly honest, I haven't been able to go one week without thinking about what the heck separates me, and others that can WILD, from everyone else.
      About a month ago, it all started making sense.


      Ok, so enough ranting. What the hell is "WILD," and why is it so damned hard?
      It all started a very, very, long time ago. Surely before Homo-sapiens ever walked the earth. To make things a bit more understandable for you however, I'll just pretend it started with us.

      Imagine you are early man. All you would have to kill your dinner with would be like, a rock or stick.
      We aren't very stealthy animals. Our smell, height, and lumbering two footed gait would warn any prey of our location long before we got anywhere near close enough to kill it. Instead of dying out, we learned to lay in wait for our prey so as to kill it when it got too near. This involved very long bouts of lying perfectly motionless in our hiding spots, listening intently for either the sound of prey approaching, or the sound of a predator coming near (both would mean the difference between life and death).

      Now imagine that you pass out into the dreamworld/sleep paralysis while lying there. You're dead. Your genes never got passed down.


      The reason you have never been able to WILD is because of the system evolution set in place to solve this "passing out" problem. The first step to learning to WILD at will is understanding the system.
      What is the system? Like all good evolutionary solutions to problems, it is elegantly simple. "Do not enter REM/sleep-paralysis when you are waiting for something to happen."

      Think of the human laying there waiting for a sound. He has done this a thousand times over the course of his lifetime. Sitting here is second nature to him. Maybe he's thinking about his woman's beautiful, soft, supple cooking or something like that. His conscious mind is wandering, only barely thinking about the hunt. Yet he does not enter his dreams. The reason for this is because, subconsciously, he has told himself to "listen out for any odd sounds, and then alert my consciousness instantly/shoot me up with some adrenalin when you hear something so I can make the kill."

      Do you see the connections between this and what almost everyone does when WILDing?


      When learning to WILD, the majority of people learn about these crAzY things like "Hypnogogic Imagery, Sleep Paralysis, Auditory Hallucinations, etc." and are then told that these things "lead up to" dreams.
      What happens when they lay down to WILD? They subconsciously tell themselves "watch out for hypnogogia/paralysis/voices as these things mean you are closer to lucidity!" This is the exact equivalent of what the prehistoric human thought. This is the exact thing the system watches for to keep you from falling into your dreams!

      Something that few seem to realize: all WILD techniques are simply mind exercises to keep you from thinking about what you're trying to do (ie. get into the dreamstate) as you do it. They are merely attempts to keep you distracted as you slowly drift off to sleep.


      As I said earlier, all of these techniques are, unfortunately, completely misguided. The inventors of them are merely trying to teach others what they personally found out how to do through trial and error, without having any idea of what the heck is going on.
      This has led to methods that would have you lay doing a mental exercise for 15, 30, 60, or even 120 minutes before you fall into a dream. Insane.



      These lengthy WILDs work by having the user focus all their willpower on counting/relaxing/seeing a visual image. With all their willpower directed at this one task, thoughts of "was that hypnogogic imagery" and all other forms of waiting for something to happen vanish. Unfortunately now that all of their conscious mind is focused on getting a task done, it becomes impossible for them to fall asleep (and thus dream). Only an hour later when lying still for so long finally overcomes their conscious willpower do they enter a dream (this is the best case scenario. Most just pass out).

      So, what does it actually take to successfully WILD?



      WILD Simplified


      Fortunately, WILD is very simple indeed. There are only five steps:
      1. Sleep beforehand
      2. Get up for a little while
      3. Calm your body/mind
      4. Use an anchor
      5. Fall asleep

      "Fall asleep!? But I thought I was trying to consciously enter a dream!" This is where the Anchor comes in.

      The anchor is something you passively "keep track of" as you let your mind more or less wander. It is the tether that holds your prefrontal cortex just functioning as you drift into the dreamworld.

      Notice that this is an extremely passive method of entering your dreams. It is the shortest approach possible. If you have something like "FOCUS ON YOUR BREATHING" dominating the forefront of your mind, its going to take a very, very long time to actually enter a dream.
      Using the anchor method however, you're bargaining away part of your awareness for a speedy entry into a dream. You could literally enter a dream within one minute once you have this down.

      So how is this possible?
      I'm sure some of you have heard of "FILD," "DEILD," and tactile WILDing. These all use anchors in the same way what I'm explaining now does. Unfortunately, they use really shitty anchors. Anchors must be extraordinarily 'solid.' You have to be able to sense them while your body is numb - on the brink of losing consciousness.

      What is the best anchor I have found so far? Dull aching pain.
      Its as simple as arranging your legs into a slightly different position that creates pain. Perhaps putting a hand beneath your body... Pain works best because it is one of our most primordial feelings. It easily reaches you as you drift off.


      Ok, ok. Perhaps I've gotten a little ahead of myself. Let me explain what would be typical of this WILD:

      1. Sleep first.

      This WILD depends on you being both pretty tired, as well as you being near a REM period.

      Sleep through one or more REM periods before getting up to do this. Typically somewhere between three and eight hours. I usually sleep for six.
      Use trial and error to find a good time for you. Everyone is different.


      2. Get up for a little while.

      If you just woke up, reached over and hit your alarm clock, then rolled over and started WILDing, chances are you'd fall unconscious. Some people can simply lie in the dark for a second and then start and get it to work, but the majority will be very groggy at this point.
      Get out of bed, maybe turn on a lamp, use the restroom, get a sip of water, or whatever. I would do some reality checks now, which help to wake up my prefrontal/logic.

      Usually I stay up for about ten minutes just sitting cross legged on my bed staring into space/reality checking. If I feel any fear about the impending WILD (for example, if I just came out of a nightmare), I'll look at some soothing or beautiful pictures that I have printed out lying beside my bed.

      Basically you don't want to think about anything much during this time. Don't get on the computer, or crack open a book etc. You want to be able to pretty easily fall back asleep once you start WILDing (but again, you don't want to instantly pass out). Use your own discretion.

      After a little while, when you're feeling tired, but not like you're going to conk out (would you drive your vehicle without fear of falling asleep behind the wheel?) go ahead and lay down like you normally would to go to sleep. The time you stay up can be anywhere from five seconds, to fifteen minutes. Depends on the person. Trial and error.


      3. Relax.

      Now you want to relax. This will serve the double purpose of keeping you from insta-passing out and also give you a moment to clear away any pre-WILD expectations.
      As a rule, you're going to want to think about the coming dream as little as possible from the time you wake up until the next morning. Remember the caveman? You don't want to fall into the trap of expecting something to happen. Just passively relax.

      I usually relax body part by body part. for example, I'll start at my legs, relax them a little bit with each exhale, then move on to my arms, torso, etc.
      Do this organically. Don't be thinking "OK! Going to relax my left arm for 10 exhales, then go to my right leg for 10 exhales etc." Your body is already going to be pretty relaxed since you just woke up. Just relax randomly and in whatever order you want. This is all really just a way for you to allow your mind to unwind and start getting closer to sleep.


      4. Use the anchor.

      If you're using the pain anchor I mentioned earlier then you should have initiated some type of dull throb when you first laid down. If you're on your side, put your knees in a strange position where they're slightly uncomfortable (the pain will increase as time passes). If on your back, put your hand underneath you, etc. Use your imagination, just don't be stupid and cut off the blood to something where you're going to have to get it amputated when you wake up ().

      Now that you've finished relaxing yourself just lay there and allow your body and mind to drift off to sleep like you normally would. As you're drifting, keep that pain in your awareness. Don't let it dominate your awareness, just continue to notice it.

      That pain is your anchor to consciousness. Just keep noticing it as you slowly go deeper and deeper into sleep.
      Rather than just passing out like you normally would if you did this before sleeping for 3-8 hours, you will eventually, inexplicably, be in a dream.

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      To recap:
      WILD is simple and has five steps,
      1. Sleep for 3 to x hours
      2. Wake up for a little while
      3. Lay down and relax your body and mind for a short period
      4. Notice your anchor as you drift into sleep.
      5. Drift into sleep

      Do NOT think about the logic of what I've explained in this tutorial when you get up to WILD. Just get up and do what you know you have to do. Its as simple as getting up and then falling back asleep.

      As an important side note: do not move during your WILD. It is imperative that from the time you lie down to WILD to the time you wake up the next morning that you do not move. Yes, you can swallow, burp, etc. Just don't move your body.
      Moving will interrupt your body's natural progression into sleep paralysis/the dreamworld.
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      Hey guys.
      Its been awhile since I've posted a tutorial, so I figured I'd fill you in on some of the stuff I've learned about WILD over the past few months.

      I hope you find it as useful as I have.

      _____

      That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

      Other anchors could be anything:
      • Passively noticing your breathing
      • Turn on some white noise
      • Make the room colder/hotter than usual
      • Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.
      The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


      The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

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      There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
      the five step process.
      1. Sleep beforehand
      2. Get up for a little while
      3. Calm your body/mind
      4. Use an anchor
      5. Fall asleep
      And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

      If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing. Think of FILD and DEILD, they work for some people but not for others. Now that you know what to look for, you can choose the method that is right for you (or easily create one for yourself).
      With any anchor you use, use it passively.


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      very nice
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      Oi! You're back? =O

      Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
      The people that were trying to teach you how to WILD actually had no idea what was happening when they laid down and WILDed, they just knew that what they did worked for them, and thus it must work for others.
      I love you..... so true... I'm one of the few people that will admit it in my tech thread =P but I don't have time to read the rest of this. Later I will =P
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      Excellent

      Thank you!
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      Nice tutorial! So are you saying this method would work for everyone? I am pretty sure that dull ache would occupy my mind so much that i wouldn't be able to sleep, i find it hard to go to sleep anyway, for example i could wake up from a dream, turn over and lay there for an hour without passing out. Ill give it a try though also what kind of dull ache do you create as standard when doing this? I think i may have done this by accident this morning, i woke up from a dream and was laying on my front with my arms underneath me and i was quite uncomfortable but couldn't be bothered to move and i could hear things in my ear, then i went into a dream where i was playing a 2d game but thats all i could see, im not sure though it could have just been HI, but im guna try laying like that again tonight
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      awesome turtorial. I'll try that tonight

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      I just read through the wall of text, and it seems.. plausible. Course, that doesn't automatically make it valid, but I do like the sound of it. I'm going to give this a go tonight and see how I fare. You can expect a report tomorrow.

      Off topic: I know it's an asshole thing to point out, but you use 'your' pretty consistently where it seems as if you mean to use 'you're'. It just made the tutorial a little irritating to read; it messes with the flow of the writing.

      EDIT: A question: Do you ever find, after entering a dream using this method, that the physical pain you used to 'anchor' your conciousness intrudes upon your dream? Does your body usually adjust itself to a more comfortable position once you are asleep proper?
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      amazing tut. props to you. theres a lot of things in here that people really need to keep in mind when they're attempting to WILD. .. =]

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      Hey BillyBob welcome back, I have had that same idea with the cavemen, though I never thought about the goal stopping them, I knew that having any kind of goal in WILD isn't good, and I had heard you say that your basicly trying to go to sleep in WILD. I think I can see why pain might work better, but what about the feel of the bed pressing up against you, or the sound of a fan. I also personally find visualization as a kind of catalyst to falling into sleep, I know quite a few people who are very good, thus able to do it faster.

      Like my idea was that when you focus on internal things stronger and stronger that it kind of shuts off external, I notice you don't talk about that a lot. As if the conscious is fooled by the internal senses, mistaking them for external ones, thus bringing the magnet of the conscious and attracting it to internal things, thus falling asleep.
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      Not a bad read.. glad to see more and more people take this kind of approach to WILDing and lucid dreaming in general. So many misconceptions out there at the moment that make this seem either impossible or extremely difficult.

      While I agree that WILDs are not a generic experience where you progressively pass through all the precursors (SP/HI/etc) followed by entry into a dream.. I do not know if comparing it to a theory on the early hunting era is quite the right direction to go . Dont get me wrong; its simplified and will make it understandable to more people so kudos to that. I just feel like there's a lot more to it then subconsciously using something we picked up millions of years ago.

      Personally I believe most of the problems people face are recently attained; they are simply mental blocks people have built up due to the lack on concrete evidence. Quite frankly lucid dreaming is not an exact science yet and people are comparing this newly acquired false information up against nothing. A new person might read an invalid post and take it as fact because they don't know any better. I think people need to kind of learn these things on their own if they really want to get a firm grasp how things are done. Dont get me wrong I would not be where I am today if it wasn't for the diversity of information available. The last thing I want to do is tell people to stop posting ideas. I just feel as though the readers need to take the position of an observer; not a prot&#233;g&#233; of the poster. Absorb the information but simply use it as an assistant in your bag of tools.

      Like you explain in the tutorial its just a matter of getting out of that frame of mind; well surely if you can break down that barrier you can build one up just as easily. It seems much more plausible to me that with a consistent feed of "misguided" information (Not wrong; just not right as a whole) people are bound to take these things to be true because someone with a higher post count said so. Its easy to see why everyone is stuck in this frame of mind when 90&#37; of people say these things are necessary to succeed.

      Thats not to say everyone else is wrong and I am right its just that I think most beginners are stuck in rut because they are trying a "fool-proof" method posted by Jimmy with no success. This fails and they give up. Or perhaps they go into a WILD expecting the same thing that User234 posted; they are sitting and waiting and waiting for SP/HI which is preventing them for progressing or learning more about the experience in general because they are caught up on something that doesn't matter for them.

      Pain stimulated anchors may be quite effective for some; but I have to say it will probably no more different then focusing on HI/tactile/breathing/etc for many people. I feel like you have the right idea down which is whats really important; but that final step is just another personalized successful tool. This is what makes or breaks the technique; if you overlook or miss your anchor its no different then any other night. So again I want to remind people that pain isn't going to guarantee lucidity; for some it may be to much (Stay awake) or some to little (Pass out). Defiantly try it out; but keep in mind its not the only method out there.

      Either way. your post should most defiantly help people take a step back and re approach WILDs from a different direction; hopefully one that works for them. At the end of the day I feel like anyone who is having problems with WILDing need to forget everything they know and just go into it with an open mind, ready to experience something new. Thanks for the post BillyBob
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      I just got back from work and just read the whole tut....

      I have only one thing to say to you.....

      YOU FUCKER =O That makes perfect fucking sense. Right when I read the line showing that we would have a biological deterrent to entering REM when we are aware and watching all the pieces suddenly flew together. I agree with that message wholeheartedly. How in the world did that idea spark? You must have felt so good when you came to the realization.... Anyhow, I'm gonna let all the consequences of it sink in before I write anything about what it might mean...

      I feel that you left part of it out as well, however. An anchor might be helpful but you still need a "destination". Going to sleep with a slight pain isn't going to instantly spring you a lucid. It needs a bit of prodding... not that you try to pursue with vigor, that obviously is ineffective. Rather, to try and explain it through a general "feeling"... You want to try and walk towards a target nonchalantly and backwards. You don't see where you're going but you don't really care and you never turn around to see. It really comes down to a test of confidence. This is where many techs have helpful little pointers. My personnel direction is springing some visualization and seeing where that leads me. Can you think of anything you do to prod yourself into a lucid? I know that my visualization was automatic (and I never noticed it) until I started analyzing it.

      That being said, I have a favorite little anchor I just realized I use... When I wake up and want to just go right back into a lucid I often just put my head off the pillow. I never knew why I did that.... I never even connected it to lucids =P I also sleep with my hand under my pillows a lot even though its slightly uncomfortable.

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      Hi Billy...

      You always seems to be a step ahead before dreamviews. Still this forum is starting to recognize, that simply beeing awake doesnt mean to be aware on its own too. There are many techniques written about the topic of WILD but in recent time I found out, that there are some people, who actually tell simple truth. But to be honest. Finding such an information is often as hard as digging deep into all of the topics here.

      Years of your experiences accumulated into this tutorial. Interesting about it is its simplicity. Becouse WILD is something simple, it is all about respecting what is determined from past. May this tutorial stop the wave of WILD techniques and initiate discussions about what WILD really is.

      Its good you returned. There is a lot to be discussed

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      That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

      Other anchors could be anything:
      • Passively noticing your breathing
      • Turn on some white noise
      • Make the room colder/hotter than usual
      • Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.
      The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


      The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

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      There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
      the five step process.
      1. Sleep beforehand
      2. Get up for a little while
      3. Calm your body/mind
      4. Use an anchor
      5. Fall asleep
      And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

      If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing.
      With any anchor you use, use it passively.


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      Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
      That pain technique is not "the way to WILD." It is just an example of how to use an anchor to keep your consciousness up.

      Other anchors could be anything:
      • Passively noticing your breathing
      • Turn on some white noise
      • Make the room colder/hotter than usual
      • Buy something that vibrates and tie it to your leg/let it vibrate there as you fall asleep.
      The reason I used pain as an example is because even the person that has almost zero willpower will be able to hold onto it as they slowly drift off.


      The pain method will NOT work for everyone. As someone in this thread mentioned, some people have a low tolerance for pain and will not be able to properly fall asleep due to it clouding the forefronts of their mind's (much like normal 'long' WILD methods do with breathing/etc).

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      There were two things I wanted you guys to take out of this tutorial:
      the five step process.
      1. Sleep beforehand
      2. Get up for a little while
      3. Calm your body/mind
      4. Use an anchor
      5. Fall asleep
      And a deeper understanding of the underlying mechanics of "WILD."

      If pain doesn't seem to work for you, try low volume white noise. If that doesn't work, use your breathing.
      With any anchor you use, use it passively.



      I like the way, how you keep things modular. Thats cool, becouse only now, as we see the generalization, we may create our own modules within the process of wild.

      Could you please help me, answering something? There are techniques, which require mental action from one performing them. Such as visualization techniques. As they work for some people, is it becouse they are performing the visualization passively?

      I have read about many people, who simply create a scene in their head and move directly into that scene. I think I am understanding something wrong. Could you please tell me your opinion on this? Thx.

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      Archdreamer: You thought that was a wall of text?


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      very nice
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      Excellent

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      Quote Originally Posted by lozbritt View Post
      Nice tutorial! So are you saying this method would work for everyone? I am pretty sure that dull ache would occupy my mind so much that i wouldn't be able to sleep, i find it hard to go to sleep anyway, for example i could wake up from a dream, turn over and lay there for an hour without passing out. Ill give it a try though also what kind of dull ache do you create as standard when doing this? I think i may have done this by accident this morning, i woke up from a dream and was laying on my front with my arms underneath me and i was quite uncomfortable but couldn't be bothered to move and i could hear things in my ear, then i went into a dream where i was playing a 2d game but thats all i could see, im not sure though it could have just been HI, but im guna try laying like that again tonight
      The dull ache most likely will not work for 100% of people. As you've just said, some people already have a hard enough time falling asleep normally, much less with pain shooting through their body.
      Check out the post above me.

      Usually when I'm using the ache method I aim for something that is just "uncomfortable." That is, something that I'll be able to notice while near sleep, but that I can also suppress if need be. Something thats there, but not totally clouding my mind.

      About your accidental WILD: I've had many of those Before I understood what was going on they were a complete mystery to me, now it makes perfect sense.


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      awesome turtorial. I'll try that tonight
      Report back here with your results, I'd love to hear them.


      Quote Originally Posted by archdreamer View Post
      Off topic: I know it's an asshole thing to point out, but you use 'your' pretty consistently where it seems as if you mean to use 'you're'. It just made the tutorial a little irritating to read; it messes with the flow of the writing.

      EDIT: A question: Do you ever find, after entering a dream using this method, that the physical pain you used to 'anchor' your conciousness intrudes upon your dream? Does your body usually adjust itself to a more comfortable position once you are asleep proper?
      Thanks for pointing that out. I can't believe how easily the simple grammar escapes me sometimes

      Strangely no, the pain never seems to transfer for me.


      Quote Originally Posted by punkstar View Post
      amazing tut. props to you. theres a lot of things in here that people really need to keep in mind when they're attempting to WILD. .. =]
      Thanks. I hope its as eye opening to you guys as it was to me when it first clicked.


      Quote Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod View Post
      Hey BillyBob welcome back, I have had that same idea with the cavemen, though I never thought about the goal stopping them, I knew that having any kind of goal in WILD isn't good, and I had heard you say that your basicly trying to go to sleep in WILD. I think I can see why pain might work better, but what about the feel of the bed pressing up against you, or the sound of a fan. I also personally find visualization as a kind of catalyst to falling into sleep, I know quite a few people who are very good, thus able to do it faster.

      Like my idea was that when you focus on internal things stronger and stronger that it kind of shuts off external, I notice you don't talk about that a lot. As if the conscious is fooled by the internal senses, mistaking them for external ones, thus bringing the magnet of the conscious and attracting it to internal things, thus falling asleep.
      To the first paragraph:
      Those things are all perfectly fine to induce WILDs. They are each anchors that enable you to hold your logic above water as everything else starts to fade. In the post before this one I explain this a bit more in depth . I know I didn't make that clear enough in the main tutorial.

      The second paragraph:
      Hmm... I'm not quite sure what you mean here. If your talking about making mental images that are so vivid your mind inverts its perception inwards (ie. your mental state changes from focusing on the outside world to the inside one, thus initiating a lucid dream) then I must ask you: why waste so much time? We all already have a simple way to change perceptual states built right into our brains that we initiate every night of our lives.

      It is much easier, more efficient, and outright simpler to just use your natural perceptual-switcher rather than attempting to outwit everything your mind was built to defend against. When your trying to work against your mind for LDs you walk a fine line. I did this for about two years... There were several times when I just unexplainably became incapable of WILDing properly.



      Quote Originally Posted by Shady View Post
      I do not know if comparing it to a theory on the early hunting era is quite the right direction to go . Don't get me wrong; its simplified and will make it understandable to more people so kudos to that. I just feel like there's a lot more to it then subconsciously using something we picked up millions of years ago.

      Pain stimulated anchors may be quite effective for some; but I have to say it will probably no more different then focusing on HI/tactile/breathing/etc for many people. I feel like you have the right idea down which is whats really important; but that final step is just another personalized successful tool. This is what makes or breaks the technique; if you overlook or miss your anchor its no different then any other night. So again I want to remind people that pain isn't going to guarantee lucidity; for some it may be to much (Stay awake) or some to little (Pass out). Defiantly try it out; but keep in mind its not the only method out there.

      Either way. your post should most defiantly help people take a step back and re approach WILDs from a different direction; hopefully one that works for them. At the end of the day I feel like anyone who is having problems with WILDing need to forget everything they know and just go into it with an open mind, ready to experience something new. Thanks for the post BillyBob
      I've always gone under the assumption that to truly understand how something works, you have to see it in its most simple and unblemished form.
      That is what the caveman example was. This did not start with cavemen by the way, it started many many species before. Imagine a lion stalking its prey and then falling into SP. This system is the most basic of basic constraints we have against going into SP. Sure there are many others that you will encounter if doing deep forms of WILD (ie. laying still attempting to induce the dreamstate through sheer will) but most people don't even need to think about these things. If they just WILD after sleeping and only stay up for a short period before beginning then nothing else really matters.

      Yes, there is a lot of misguided information out there. I'm not even going to attempt to put myself above this. I had to write a whole bunch of bullshit to get to the level of understanding I'm at today.

      Yeah I didn't make it very clear in the main tutorial, but the final method doesn't have to be 'pain' at all. That was just an example that I was using. The final step is to use an 'anchor,' thats all. The anchor can be anything. Everyone has to find the one that works best for them (which isn't that hard at all. This is nothing like most WILD methods that attempt to teach a long drawn out "procedure" that you have to o before being able to enter a dream).

      Yes, WILD is simple. Very, very, simple.


      Quote Originally Posted by arby View Post
      I have only one thing to say to you.....

      YOU FUCKER =O That makes perfect fucking sense. Right when I read the line showing that we would have a biological deterrent to entering REM when we are aware and watching all the pieces suddenly flew together. I agree with that message wholeheartedly. How in the world did that idea spark? You must have felt so good when you came to the realization.... Anyhow, I'm gonna let all the consequences of it sink in before I write anything about what it might mean...

      I feel that you left part of it out as well, however. An anchor might be helpful but you still need a "destination". Going to sleep with a slight pain isn't going to instantly spring you a lucid. It needs a bit of prodding... not that you try to pursue with vigor, that obviously is ineffective. Rather, to try and explain it through a general "feeling"... You want to try and walk towards a target nonchalantly and backwards. You don't see where you're going but you don't really care and you never turn around to see. It really comes down to a test of confidence. This is where many techs have helpful little pointers. My personnel direction is springing some visualization and seeing where that leads me. Can you think of anything you do to prod yourself into a lucid? I know that my visualization was automatic (and I never noticed it) until I started analyzing it.

      That being said, I have a favorite little anchor I just realized I use... When I wake up and want to just go right back into a lucid I often just put my head off the pillow. I never knew why I did that.... I never even connected it to lucids =P I also sleep with my hand under my pillows a lot even though its slightly uncomfortable.
      Yes it really did just hit one one morning as I was WILDing, something along the lines of "Oh my god. All you have to do to WILD is fall asleep."
      It took a good month and a half for it all to sink completely in to a point where I could write this. It was the key to everything that had perplexed me so badly for four years. Yeah, I was quite happy.

      I have written it all out so as to avoid people looking for a "target." This type of thinking is useless to a noobie, it only encourages them to lay waiting for something to happen.
      The method works because of course somewhere deep down your going to be saying "I am about to enter a dream." Its impossible to wake up in the middle of the night and start some WILD method without thinking a tiny bit about what your doing. They wake up after several hours of sleep, then they sit around for ten minutes. What are they thinking about?

      You see, the focusing on an anchor is what gets them into the actually dream. Their awareness is kept afloat via "doing something" (watching pain in my example). When the dream starts up, they are still watching the anchor and thus are still conscious.
      This is where the pre-WILD expectations and reality checks come into play. They realize "oh shit, how did I get here" and then do a reality check and are lucid.

      This is the most simplified WILD I could possibly think of. It takes about the same amount of time to do this as it does to fall asleep. Because thats all your doing - falling asleep normally with a slight alteration.


      Yes my old favorite anchor was to put my head onto my pillow (while lying on my back). This caused me to have slight neck pain and was fucking with my posture so one day I decided I would just WILD without a pillow.
      I failed every time I tried for the next few months.


      Quote Originally Posted by adraw View Post
      Hi Billy...

      You always seems to be a step ahead before dreamviews. Still this forum is starting to recognize, that simply beeing awake doesnt mean to be aware on its own too. There are many techniques written about the topic of WILD but in recent time I found out, that there are some people, who actually tell simple truth. But to be honest. Finding such an information is often as hard as digging deep into all of the topics here.

      Years of your experiences accumulated into this tutorial. Interesting about it is its simplicity. Becouse WILD is something simple, it is all about respecting what is determined from past. May this tutorial stop the wave of WILD techniques and initiate discussions about what WILD really is.

      Its good you returned. There is a lot to be discussed
      Thanks, I hope at least some people understand WILD through this tutorial.
      Oftentimes when I've written extremely simplified tutorials in the past they weren't very popular
      People prefer to just be told what to do, not how to make their own way of doing something/how what they're doing works.

      Thats just human nature though I suppose.


      EDIT:
      (missed this)

      Quote Originally Posted by adraw View Post
      Could you please help me, answering something? There are techniques, which require mental action from one performing them. Such as visualization techniques. As they work for some people, is it becouse they are performing the visualization passively?

      I have read about many people, who simply create a scene in their head and move directly into that scene. I think I am understanding something wrong. Could you please tell me your opinion on this? Thx.
      The visualization is a form of anchoring.
      The reason most people take so long tio WILD is because they often focus too hard on their anchors. They will sit there burning a visualization into their mind, pushing away all abstract thoughts, until they enter a dream.

      This works for some, but it can take a very long time to get into a dream.


      There are some methods that use visualization as an anchor in the correct way: They tell you to get up after a few hours of sleep then start visualizing walking through a scene or something and then the scene will "become real."
      There are two reasons that this works:
      1. Walking through a scene is itself an anchor
      2. The person that is visualizing is already EXTREMELY tired

      Usually visualizing could be too "heavy" an anchor (for example, if you stayed up for thirty minutes before WILDing). It would just be very hard for you to easily fall asleep while running through a scene in your mind. Notice that it could work for many people, it would just take a very long time.
      However, when visualizing and staying up for an extremely short period are combined, some find it very easy to passively visualize while drifting off.

      WILD methods can basically be broken down into two things:
      • Wakefulness
      • Willpower

      Wakefulness represents how long it would take you to fall asleep if you just laid down and closed your eyes. Willpower is the amount of mental power expended on whatever anchor you are using.

      The goal is to let wakefulness slightly overcome willpower. That is, to let sleep overcome your focus on your anchor.
      What will often happen is that one second you're noticing your anchor, then you realize that you stopped noticing it for awhile and start to focus on it again. These brief gaps in noticing your anchor is what allows sleep/the dreamstate to creep in under the radar and take you away.

      If you were visualizing as an anchor, you may one second be walking through your front yard, then a second later you just randomly notice that you are actually IN in your front yard. That gap in awareness was wakefulness overcoming willpower.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
      Yes it really did just hit one one morning as I was WILDing, something along the lines of "Oh my god. All you have to do to WILD is fall asleep."
      Heh, yeah. WILD is just sleep with a twist =P Of course, its the twist that's the pain =P

      The thing that's really got my gears rolling is if there is actually a "mental" block that prevents you from WILDing. You see, WILDing would be contradictory. I had previously thought that staying aware would prevent you from WILDing because in order to WILD you must remain aware/concious. But if you were aware/concious, your mind couldn't delude itself into a dream and you wouldn't become lucid. Of course, if you have one you shouldn't be able to have the other so I explained our ability to WILD by using doublethink. The ability to hold two mutually contradicing beleifs at the same time. Of course, there is no way to conciously use doublethink as the use of doublethink required doublethink to be used on itself thus that was useless XD

      But if the thing blocking it is biological and there is not the above described mental barrier then there is no contradiction... you can be concious and slip into a lucid state without doing some crazy stuff to induce doublethink. You only have to stay concious/aware while not being anticipatory/waiting. That sounds a hell of alot easier (and accurate)

      I don't think I was very accurate with my "destination" rant. I think I've been wallowing in my own tech too long and have thus grown accostomed to one of the luxuries of it =P After a bit of thought I've concluded that it's not nessasary at all as your head will push you to your "destination" automatically just as it does every night when you dream. Its just that controlling that destination is just so much cooler ;P

      Lastly, I'm not the biggest fan of the pain method either. Theres probably a way with more finess. I'm gonna see what I can come up with in regards to that.... I mean, the criteria is so simple! But a method where you conciously induce it such as the pain method has a slight mental contradiction. You have to do ______ (in this case, pain) in anticipation that it will make you lucid but you have to avoid anticipating.... I'm gonna see if I can find a way around that (its pretty all encompasing, though)

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      Great tutorial! I'm definitely trying the pain anchor tonight.
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      Thx , this really help
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      Ok cool.
      But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
      and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
      They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
      Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
      Just a question.
      Last edited by DreamChaser; 07-21-2008 at 12:41 PM.
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      Firs of all: Thank you BillyBob for your useful tutorials.

      Hello everyone,
      I've lurked for some months and this is my very first post: I felt compelled to thank all the members that have posted useful informations.

      Lucid Dreaming is a really new field and it's like a puzzle where every day someone brings up a new piece that fits in the picture.
      What's really exciting for me is witnessing all the collaborative work done in this community.
      Thanks to your contributions one day LDing will become a joyful experience for many more people around the world.
      You really are pioneers.

      I discovered lucid dreaming about a year ago. I didn't believe it was real, but after some trials I started have firsthand experiences.
      Now I investigate this phenomenon methodically and one day I hope to provide some useful insights too.

      BillyBob, your tutorial is really food for thought, the anchor part does ring a bell, you really hit a hot-spot. I think this growing discussion will be even more interesting.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DreamChaser View Post
      Ok cool.
      But what is the difference between people thinking about what they did today and falling asleep to that (as half the population would),
      and the WILDers using the same method of imagining scenes etc, as an anchor.
      They are both anchoring and falling to sleep, yet the normal sleepers don't go Lucid.
      Is the only diff that the WILDers are focussing on one image and not many?
      Just a question.
      Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is. We need more posts about anchor/transition theories (Don't mean examples); never mind WBTB/Relaxation. I think everyone knows a WBTB is important after spending 5 minutes on the boards.

      Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:
      • Wbtb
      • Relax
      • Apply Anchor
      • Sleep


      Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to actually notice it so its doing something right.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Shady View Post
      Really there isn't; imagery, tactile sensations, counting breaths etc etc... are all just other forms of anchors. Being able to WILD comes from being able to use your anchor as an assistant/tool; not being able to think about what it is.

      Pretty consistent guideline with every other tutorial:
      • Wbtb
      • Relax
      • Apply Anchor
      • Sleep


      Nothing new; but he says it in a simplistic way that is attracting more people. Its causing people to rave over it so its doing something right.
      Ok no problem, but why aren't half the population WILDing since they are all anchoring with daily thoughts?
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      yeah i like dream chasers question, the first tutorial i read about wilding was about 8 steps long and involved all sorts of visualizing and then this technique says to just fall asleep and have something to anchor u, as dream chaser said surely half the people if not more that go to sleep should be wilding??

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