Yoshi's WILD Technique...

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Originally Posted by MattS93

Going to try this tonight!

Ive tried the "lay still thing" and gone 45 minutes without ANYTHING happening, so the rolling to a new position idea sounds great.

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Sometimes I do roll, while attempting WILD, just to vary my methods :)
The thing is I enter SP in 9 out of 10 attempts, but I have problems with the transition into dream while keeping consciousness.
Do you guys have any tips on how to maintain awareness? How not to focus too much, or too less, cause I have problems with it.

PS. A bit of comfort:
Last night, when I had SP, one of my favourite songs popped out of nowhere :) It has happened to me three times already. This time it was Cindy Louper- Good Enough :P It's awesome to hear the music you like

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Originally Posted by yonjuushichi

The thing is I enter SP in 9 out of 10 attempts, but I have problems with the transition into dream while keeping consciousness.
Do you guys have any tips on how to maintain awareness? How not to focus too much, or too less, cause I have problems with it.

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Well, that is arguably the most difficult part of the WILD process. What I try to do is play into my HH. If I get alot of auditory hallucinations, then I lay still and just listen to them as if I am listening to music. When you listen to music, you usually don't think about the previous words that were said, you just listen to the words as they come and go. It is alot like that. If you hear a loud scream or something similar in SP and you start thinking about/focusing on that scream then you can more easily be kicked out of SP. Just let the noises come and go. Listen to them, but don't think on any particular sound. It is the same way with visuals. Just watch them as if you were casually watching a t.v. program that you don't particularly care for. Don't get involved with the HI, just let it show itself, observe it, then let it pass out of your mind. Try to implement this passive observation technique with the other types of hallucinations as well. Hope this helped a bit. Good Luck to you!

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Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Listen to them, but don't think on any particular sound. It is the same way with visuals. Just watch them as if you were casually watching a t.v. program that you don't particularly care for. Don't get involved with the HI, just let it show itself, observe it, then let it pass out of your mind.

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Not getting involved into the imagery may be hard for me, since I'm a visualizer. Anyway, I'm going to give it a try. Moreover, the part:

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Originally Posted by KingYoshi

.... as if you were casually watching a t.v. program that you don't particularly care for.

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sounds manageable :) Thanks a lot Yoshi for the advice.

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Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Well, that is arguably the most difficult part of the WILD process. What I try to do is play into my HH. If I get alot of auditory hallucinations, then I lay still and just listen to them as if I am listening to music. When you listen to music, you usually don't think about the previous words that were said, you just listen to the words as they come and go. It is alot like that. If you hear a loud scream or something similar in SP and you start thinking about/focusing on that scream then you can more easily be kicked out of SP. Just let the noises come and go. Listen to them, but don't think on any particular sound. It is the same way with visuals. Just watch them as if you were casually watching a t.v. program that you don't particularly care for. Don't get involved with the HI, just let it show itself, observe it, then let it pass out of your mind. Try to implement this passive observation technique with the other types of hallucinations as well. Hope this helped a bit. Good Luck to you!

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Wow, this slightly changes the way I'm looking at things. I was under the impression that if I looked at one specific point too long it would be a problem, and therefore would divert my eyes just after seeing something, which I think has been a hindrance during my attempts. So I shouldn't just be hecticly shooting my eyes around and away from things after seeing them, I should just watch them go by, but no dwell on them after they've left. Makes much more sense!

@yonjuushichi: Well, I'm a visualizer as well! I guess we could compare experiences and results? :D

Yeah, don't avoid the HI, that can definately cause some problems with the transition. It takes way more effort to avoid HI rather than passively observing it. Its ok if you enjoy watching HI, that is fine. Just don't analyze and break down your images. Don't try to figure out everything that is going on, just let the craziness come and go. Basically, just do nothing and allow the HI to do whatever it wants.. Just relax, chill out, and allow the WILD to transition on its own. Its so much easier when you let the process do the work for you.

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Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Basically, just do nothing and allow the HI to do whatever it wants.. Just relax, chill out, and allow the WILD to transition on its own. Its so much easier when you let the process do the work for you.

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Yoshi, I took your previous advice and tried to incorporate it in my WILD.
This is what I achieved today at night/early in the morning:

I got into SP around 4:30 a.m. I tried to maintain the awareness, by staying passive and watch the things I see, but alas I went dreaming without even noticing it. I woke up at 6ish, realized that I failed in my attempt to WILD, so I set myself to definitely stay lucid. Once again I got SP, I totally let the things do their own, and as a result I did have lucid dream, but I think it was after quite a while.
At first I dreamt about being at railway station, wandering amongst the passers by, waiting for my train. It didn't arrive so I got pissed. I remember falling down on my back off the platform, I found myself lying on the tracks. Then, I started to move like a train, I mean I slided on the tracks silently. I saw the things pass by fast. Then I realized there's something wrong, i thought this must be a dream. That's how I attained lucidity. Then I just got up from the tracks,....and I woke up. So I think it was a DILD, not a WILD.
What do you think guys?

I've got this question. How does WILD works in reality? Is it more like:

A) You get SP
B) You watch HI
C) Transition occurs, while you are aware of it and you see that you are in a dream already

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A) You get SP
B) You watch HI
C) Transition occurs, you lose lucidity for a brief moment.
D) You recognize the dream state immediately after that

Thanks in advance

In response to your first question there, my understanding of a WILD is that you go from conscious to lucid without any lapse there - making your experience a DILD, as far as I can see.

Clyde is correct. During a successful WILD you transition from the waking state to the dream state without losing consciousness. If you lose consciousness and then become lucid later, it is simply a DILD/MILD. I think you are being too passive now. Remember, you need to pay attention to the HH enough to stay conscious. Just don't focus too much on any one particular bit of HH. Let it all wash over you and then let it be gone. It may seem difficult to get that perfect transition at first, but all it takes is a few successes to get the hang of it. All it takes is experience. If I get into SP, my transition success is in the high 90's (%-wise). It isn't difficult once you get the hang of it. Just make sure you aren't trying too hard. Just relax, stay confident, and stay aware! Good Luck!

tried your technique the past two nights.

night 1: fell asleep before SP

night 2: got mild SP (could still move if I tried) and then hallucinations, but fell asleep..

going to try again though!

Just thought I would throw a little reminder for everyone out there trying to achieve a successful WILD.....Remember, you are suppose to fall asleep. That is the whole idea. If you don't allow your body to fall asleep you aren't going to be able to complete the transition. The whole point of WILDing is to allow yourself to fall asleep while remaining aware/conscious of what is going on. Good Luck to everyone!

Ok guys, I think now it's crystal clear to me :)


In other words, falling asleep means getting SP (your body is asleep) while you stay aware of it (conscious mind).

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Originally Posted by KingYoshi

Remember, you are suppose to fall asleep. That is the whole idea. If you don't allow your body to fall asleep you aren't going to be able to complete the transition. The whole point of WILDing is to allow yourself to fall asleep while remaining aware/conscious of what is going on. Good Luck to everyone!

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Thanks a lot. I can't help but notice that I'm even more eager to go to sleep than yesterday :D I appreciate your help guys!

I've gotta keep on my WILDing attempts. College has been keeping me from attempting it this and last week, but Thursday and Friday should allow me ample time to make proper attempts. Hopefully I'll have some success soon and will be able to give a little amateur-experience advice on things here and there.

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Originally Posted by yonjuushichi

Ok guys, I think now it's crystal clear to me :)


In other words, falling asleep means getting SP (your body is asleep) while you stay aware of it (conscious mind).


Thanks a lot. I can't help but notice that I'm even more eager to go to sleep than yesterday :D I appreciate your help guys!

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Been a few years since I've been on this site. Lately I've been trying to have more LD's. I often just realize I'm dreaming, but I also am pretty successful with WILD's. I don't bother getting up out of bed - I just take the opportunity when I wake in the middle of the night to try WILD as I go back to sleep.

Yes, you need to remain conscious or it's not a WILD. Here is a post from me a few years back that describes how I deal with HI...

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Originally Posted by djv

My tip, like some others have suggested, is to not try to concentrate too hard on the HI. For me, I use the HI to lull me towards sleep. If you focus too hard on the HI then they'll put you to sleep (that's their job anyway).

I use HI in the beginning for the reason above, but when I feel like I'm losing consiousness I try not to focus on them so much and maintain conciousness by telling myself to relax or repeating things in my head like "I'm about to enter a dream." Then I try to concentrate more on how my body feels than on what I see.

At this point I get some clues before vibrations and SP kick in - my mouth suddenly feeling like it has turned to a frown and/ or my whole body feeling like the muscles instantly changed in some way (paralyzed, but not quite). It's hard to describe, but it usually feels like my body has sunk an inch or two into the bed. After this the vibrations usually kick in.

When I feel vibrations and then my body is paralyzed I either get up or sink into my bed (figuratively in both cases, of course) and voila, I'm in an LD.

For me it was a gradual progression to this point. It was maybe 3 weeks from first WILD attempt to successful, but each night (or after every few nights) I got a bit farther in the process.

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Everything up until the vibrations you described I've experienced quite frequently. I haven't gotten all the way to the vibrations and still held consciousness.

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Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

Everything up until the vibrations you described I've experienced quite frequently. I haven't gotten all the way to the vibrations and still held consciousness.

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It helps me to keep repeating "relax, you're about to enter a dream." This is especially true when someone is outside my room telling me they're going to kill me.

Actually when I start getting the auditory hallucinations I know I'm going to be successful. The only times I "fail" are when I hear something that I feel I have to react to - for example glass breaking. I can't ignore someone potentially breaking into my house just to have an LD, so I force myself awake to check it out. Hate when that happens.

I've been trying your techniques the past several nights as well as a few other techniques depending on what I remember to do when I wake up.

At first I wasn't getting any results, but now I believe I have experienced several False Awakenings. Several times this morning when I would wake up I would try to WILD and as I was laying there I would drift back to sleep dreaming of exactly what I had been trying to visualize for my dream. Once I was actually in it though, I would lose consciousness and would not obtain Lucidity.

I actually remember like 6-7 of the dreams I had last night, I've written all the main points down in my DJ so I can try to write them all out later. I'm definitely getting a lot better at my dream recall,so I am hoping that I will be able to finally obtain Lucidity some time this week.

I believe it was you Yoshi that stated on another thread about writing RC on the back of one of your hands and every time you notice it,do a reality check. I am going to start doing that today to help get into the habit of performing RCs regulary.

Havin to head off to work now, but I'll be trying again this evening.

Talk to everyone later!

I was wondering, how long do most of you do the reverse blinking step? I know that it will vary from person to person, but i'm still curious. I've tried it before, but i've never done it for long enough to get a real result. So how long to you people do reverse blinking?

As a side note, i think this way of WILDing will boost my success rate for the 90 WILD project. Thinking back on the few WILD's i've had, i never just layed down and not moved. Everytime that i've had a WILD, i had to roll over before the sp kicked in. Any of the times that i refused to move; i would lay there for too long and eventually give up or fall asleep. I didn't realize how important changing positions was until having read this guide.

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Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

I was wondering, how long do most of you do the reverse blinking step? I know that it will vary from person to person, but i'm still curious. I've tried it before, but i've never done it for long enough to get a real result. So how long to you people do reverse blinking?

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I've been gone too long - what is reverse blinking?

KingYoshi, I'm going to try this tonight and post my results.

Reverse blinking is...well blinking in reverse. You keep your eyes closed and only open them long enough to focus on something, then you close them again. The only thing i'm not sure about is, how long we're supposed to do the reverse blinking.

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Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Reverse blinking is...well blinking in reverse. You keep your eyes closed and only open them long enough to focus on something, then you close them again. The only thing i'm not sure about is, how long we're supposed to do the reverse blinking.

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OK, and what is that supposed to do for you?

Well, I tried this last night, and at 0600 this morning... I had a DILD hahaha. About 10 sec into my dream after trying your WILD technique at 0600, I reality checked and became Lucid. I suppose this means that I ALMOST remained concious?

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Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Reverse blinking is...well blinking in reverse. You keep your eyes closed and only open them long enough to focus on something, then you close them again. The only thing i'm not sure about is, how long we're supposed to do the reverse blinking.

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Originally Posted by djv

OK, and what is that supposed to do for you?

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My bad, i forgot to mention what the purpose is. Reverse blinking is supposed to be a relaxation technique. If you feel you are too awake to do WILD, reverse blinking is supposed to help relax you to the point where you have a better chance at WILDing.

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Originally Posted by djv

It helps me to keep repeating "relax, you're about to enter a dream." This is especially true when someone is outside my room telling me they're going to kill me.

Actually when I start getting the auditory hallucinations I know I'm going to be successful. The only times I "fail" are when I hear something that I feel I have to react to - for example glass breaking. I can't ignore someone potentially breaking into my house just to have an LD, so I force myself awake to check it out. Hate when that happens.

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Yeah, SP can definately get freaky sometimes. It is always good to reassure yourself that you are simply hallucinating, and cannot be harmed. Wow, I have never had the broken glass, but I could imagine how frustrating that would be. My house has been broken into before, twice actually (luckily for the robber, I wasn't at home either time), so I definately know where you are coming from.

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Originally Posted by Tykk

I believe it was you Yoshi that stated on another thread about writing RC on the back of one of your hands and every time you notice it,do a reality check. I am going to start doing that today to help get into the habit of performing RCs regulary.

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Yeah, it is a wonderful technique for beginners and advanced dreamers alike. I used this technique when I started LDing, and I use it now to help break dry spells, etc. Its the easiest way to remember to perform RCs throughout the day...imho.

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Originally Posted by Dreampunk

KingYoshi, I'm going to try this tonight and post my results.

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Awesome, good luck to you!

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Originally Posted by dark_grimmjow

Reverse blinking is...well blinking in reverse. You keep your eyes closed and only open them long enough to focus on something, then you close them again. The only thing i'm not sure about is, how long we're supposed to do the reverse blinking.

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I reverse blink until my eyes start getting heavy and it becomes more comfortable with them closed, rather than opened. Reverse Blinking, basically speeds up the "getting tired process." Unlike the original technique, I don't keep my eyes open long enough to really focus on anything. I blink them open as fast as I blink them shut. I have experimented both ways (joke time, lol) and found that blinking my eyes open (and then closed) as fast as possible, gets me tired much quicker. As opposed to blinking them open slow enough to focus on something. Of course, this may work differently for every dreamer, so I suggest experimenting with it a bit.

Thanks for the reverse blinking help, KingYoshi. I'll trying doing it faster.