Do i really need to use this with a WBTB or can i use it when i go to bed if that makes sense and if not is there anyway i can.
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Do i really need to use this with a WBTB or can i use it when i go to bed if that makes sense and if not is there anyway i can.
Performing any WILD technique when first going to sleep is not recommended. Even if you succeed (which is possible), its generally a low quality, short lucid. If you aren't wanting to perform WBTB, I suggest WILDing during day time naps. It is a great way to WILD (my personal favorite). Try napping 1-8 hours after waking in the morning for best results.
Well that sucks im going to try drinking lots of water before bed then.
I"ll try this during my nap right now and post the results later. The trouble is most of the time I try to WILD I get hesitant because I can't seem to enter sp, but this time I"ll at leat try to enter sp it"ll give me a boost of confidence. And I was wondering is sp basically a scissor lock? I u know what a scissor lock is
While I was trying to go into sp, it felt as if my shirt around my chest hot heavier does this mean anything?
Well, often times just prior to/during SP, you get a feeling of heaviness. Sometimes it is simply a deep state of relaxation and other times it is an actual hallucination brought on by SP. Either way, that is one step closer to having success. Just keep practicing and try to get a little further along in the process with each attempt. You are definately on the right track.
PS: To answer your question before, the SP process/transition is generally unique to each individual dreamer and is often unique with each experience. Though many experiences have common/similar effects. Your body will enter a state of paralysis (you won't be able to move your body until it is broken). You will generally (not all the time) experience HH/HI (hypnagogic hallucinations/imagery). The HI/HH will usually be unique with each experience. I've heard the term scissor lock before, and to my knowledge (I'm not 100% sure), it is just a slang/alternate term for SP.
I may have a solution for those of you who just end up falling asleep when attempting a wild, or this technique. Actually I am surprised that no one else has mentioned it, but I actually use the application timer for my computer and set it to beep 3 times every 15 minutes. This can vary to every 30 minutes, or once an hour, or whatever you like... This works because if you fall asleep while trying to WILD, you are woken back up 15,30,45, or 1 hour later. Then you can just give it another shot. The good thing about this is you will get multiple chances to try it again. The second great thing about this is that you will be able to get into SP much faster when having just woke up already.. I think this is a really good solution for those of you who keep falling asleep and missing your opportunity, and waking up 3 hours later let down.. If you find that you fall asleep within 10 minutes, set your timer for every 15 minutes, or for every 30 minutes.
The only downfall to this is that if you succeed in having a Lucid Dream, you may be awoken from it with your next interval alarm, the upside is that you will have yet another chance to try the process again, having your 2nd LD this session, and getting even more practice experiencing the transition states.. the more you experience these things the easier the whole process will get for you..
Here is the Application Timer for your computer. Courtesy of Lucidology 101.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YSFJEL3S
So Im going to try this tonight Thank you KingYoshi I actually believe I will have success tonight...Considering I can already just lay there and see dream Scapes this should be fairly easy plus the success rate of this seems high...now to look over directions.
Thanks for the tips, I finally got into SP then into HI (and heard some great music too ha ha) but I'm not sure if I fell asleep or woke up after that, it was kind of a blur, but I'm going to try again tonight.
Hi Yoshi,
I was wondering: do you use Reverse Blinking every time you try to WILD?
I read somewhere that it becomes less effective after a while.
Earlier in this thread, KingYoshi had asked another member what reverse blinking was, after that user had suggested it be added into the tutorial. You might want to seek them out rather than Yoshi.
I don't actually. I only use reverse blinking ever now and then when I have trouble getting to sleep. Because I rarely have trouble falling asleep (almost never :P), I don't use it very often. I will say that it has definately worked well for me every time I've used it, but I can't comment on repeated use.
i always get to the hallucinations and ill get these different dream scenes appearing and its almost like my mind is flipping through different possible dreams for me and ill experience what i call "mini" dreams, dreams where i hear and see a DC talking to me or something is chasing me or im falling through clouds and then.... nothing. i end up waking up to find id fallen asleep. :/ how do i stay lucid when my mind is putting me through dreams but im not entirely asleep yet? i end up getting distracted by something and then falling asleep.
Thanks for technique Yoshi.
I tried it last night before my usual night sleep. It all went pretty much as planned, I started to feel my body numb and out of control, heart started racing and I even heard a couple of sounds that were really surreal (dahhh), but all of a sudden it just stopped. I changed position right after that, but nothing. So what I did.. went back and from the very begining, sadly with the same outcome. Might I be doing smth wrong.. like staying on my back for too long before first position change?
anyways, it is the first time I ever got a little hold of what it is like falling asleep while keeping mind awake and I absolutely loved the RB technique.
Gonna give it a try today, hopefully with different outcome.
Thanks.
I have a question. Instead of watching your thoughts go by, can you focus on your breathing by doing the "1, I'm dreaming. 2, I'm dreaming.." thing? When I see all my other thoughts, I tend to focus on them for too long.
I have been absent from the site for a long time, and sadly from lucidity , so I haven't actually written out my technique but I think it may help you. I use a physical mantra if you will. I always lie in the same position. I lay on my back with hands on my chest and my fingers bent so the tips are pointing into my solar plexus. Once the heavy feeling comes I concentrate on keeping my mind still and turning inward. This usually brings on HH/HI. Focusing on the sounds (always cool) helps me pay attention to what my mind can create. Once the HH/HI stops I DO NOT MOVE. I just open my eyes. As simply as you would irl. What I see is always the same. It is my room, or rather my memory of my room. From there it is just a matter of taking physical control of your residual image and dream control.
I have been absent from the site for a long time, and sadly from lucidity , so I haven't actually written out my technique but I think it may help you. I use a physical mantra if you will. I always lie in the same position. I lay on my back with hands on my chest and my fingers bent so the tips are pointing into my solar plexus. Once the heavy feeling comes I concentrate on keeping my mind still and turning inward. This usually brings on HH/HI. Focusing on the sounds (always cool) helps me pay attention to what my mind can create. Once the HH/HI stops I DO NOT MOVE. I just open my eyes. As simply as you would irl. What I see is always the same. It is my room, or rather my memory of my room. From there it is just a matter of taking physical control of your residual image and dream control.
YES HAD MY FIRST ONE!
Thanks very much Yoshi! I was already giving up on WILDing but you did encourage me! I just dont know if it was a WILD, but a little while after I changed position I think I lost consciousness, but I imediately gained it again when I sensed SP! Kinda fun I entered it 3 times :P but the final one made me enter into a Lucid! But it was a low level lucidity one :S I will try it again tonight and I will post results!
This seems like the technique for me! (At least for now)
It takes me about 15 minutes to fall asleep at the most, so this is something I will try.
And also I absolutely HATE lying still in a WILD. Every guide I have used has involved some form of lying still for a very long time. The longest I layed there was about 2 hours, so I am pretty excited to try this.
Will post results tomorrow. :)
P.S. I also have trouble letting my mind wander, and I tend to focus on one thing. I want to keep letting my mind wander, not substitute it for another method (ie. counting). Any tips?
Congratz Cardeal :) Hopefully I can achieve my first WILD tonight.
So funny this thread comes up, I've been thinking about it all day today. If my DEILD fails, I'm trying this tech.
Okay so, I woke up before my DEILD alarm... I really hate when that happens. Anyways, I guess I switched positions a few times, then went out like a light. I didn't really try... It's so funny how during the day I can be like yeah Ima do this!! Then once the time comes I'm in a totally different mindset... Sigh.
Same here Elucive!
I'm always like that.
i read this before so after i joined but forgot about it. i will try this tonight and i wish everyone else the best of luck :D
and i just realized this is the 200th post lol :D