What happened? Post Your WILD Attempts, Good or Bad, Here

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Originally Posted by Sageous

All in all a pretty good attempt, Lifeinsteps; thanks for sharing!

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Thanks for reading, and for the advice! I re-read some of your classes again (particularly dream formation, but also the first one on the RRCs and such) yesterday morning, and gave it another try last night while trying to incorporate everything you mentioned. The full dream journal is here, but here are the relevant bits:

Spoiler for WILD details:

I set my alarm for 5 AM (I fell asleep a little later today), and woke up, spent 15 minutes again on the edge of my bed figuring out where I wanted to go in my dream and thinking of a suitable mantra (I had thought it over the night before as well but hadn't set it in stone yet). There is a small little forested shore that I sometimes visualize myself in when performing meditation that is of a visual nature, that I find quite a relaxing and unthreatening place to be, so I thought it would be interesting to see it in a dream. I can visualize it rather well, so I figured it should be easy to visualize in a dream also. I chose "I'm coming home," as my temporary mantra, because this place I was trying to go is something of a mental home for me, and I found it a relaxing thing to repeat, as well as drawing me towards my intention.

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At any rate, I laid there for about 20-30 minutes, repeating my mantra, and trying to visualize walking around this small shore and the forest that surrounds it, picking up sand, putting my hands on the trees, crouching in the grass, etc. I found that when I could carefully hold my focus on these activities, it definitely helped draw me towards sleep and away from my body. Oftentimes I would be imagining one of these activities, find myself a little emotionally lightened (or something, that's the best way I can put it), and with that came a lightening of consciousness, as if I was becoming more comfortable and thereby more ready for sleep.

I also noticed something during this attempt: I know that I shouldn't be focusing on my body but it is sometimes hard to forget the difference between your visualized body messing around in your visualized intended dream, and your real body lying there and its sensations. However, I found that as I became more sleepy, I for some reason found myself 'staring' at my eyelids naturally. It's hard to explain, but I think as I became more sleepy, my mind drew back from my body more and more (it was becoming more numb anyway), and I found myself almost secluded in my head with my thoughts, until something roused me a little and I found myself in my whole body again. I experimented a little with intentionally 'staring at my eyelids' (again, so to speak, because there's nothing to look at) and found that it did seem to help me force this state a little more, the feeling of being just inside my head in the dark, rather than lying on a bed with my eyes closed. That may be something I'll experiment more with.

Unfortunately most dips towards sleep were followed by things that when woke me back up, such as becoming distracted from the visualizations, or some HI that accidentally caught my attention a little too much (at one point I faintly saw a window seemingly peering out from a spaceship into space, near a moon of some sort, and even though I was attempting to ignore it, I almost couldn't help but look-- but as quickly as I looked, it vanished, leaving me more awake than before... darn HI).

I eventually laid there for about 50 minutes overall before I realized that I was seeing something light grey, and at first thought perhaps my WILD attempt had brought me into sleep and I hadn't noticed somehow, but I couldn't figure out why I wasn't having a dream. Unfortunately, after about a minute or two of staring at this light grey, I had a realization, and opened one of my eyes-- it had simply become light outside as it was past 6 AM! Perhaps I need to get a sleep mask or shift my sleep schedule back a little.

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Take-aways:

• Visualization of the dream definitely helped somehow, I'm not sure how but there was a palpable sense of movement towards the dream (perhaps obviously).
• I'm unsure whether the mantra ("I'm coming home") was better or worse-- much like "keep it tight," it occasionally seemed to be helping draw me towards the dream, but sometimes it didn't seem to do much of anything but act as something to do while lying still.
• There seems to be something to me about shifting the focus into the headspace and away from the body intentionally (as opposed to passively allowing it to happen because of visualization, etc). In retrospect this seems obvious but I had not found a good way to do it, whereas by 'staring at my eyelids' I seemed to almost force this perspective a little bit.

I think partially what is wrong is this: I just don't sleep on my back-- and if I laid there doing nothing trying to sleep for an hour I probably wouldn't succeed right now. But I fall asleep so quickly in other positions I'm not sure I should change it. I think as I keep making attempts, the process itself (the WILD attempt) will once again become un-foreign to me (causing greater comfort with everything, and less distraction), and I'll also become more comfortable lying on my back, both of which will contribute to an eventual success! I definitely felt closer to the cusp of success (closer to sleep and not totally awake, just lying there) multiple times during this attempt than yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Oh, and in closing I always like to mention that if your WILD attempt fails but results in a DILD, then did the attempt really fail? After all, lucidity is lucidity, no matter how you get there!

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I totally agree, and thanks for the reminder. Of course a lucid dream is a lucid dream; I guess I particularly am invested in getting the WILD working frequently for me because I simply enjoy the process of falling asleep while conscious. I do want to make sure I'm not distracted by the noise as per your course writings, however I have to say the first time (and 2nd, 3rd) I got a WILD years ago, the experience of being lifted from my bed and hurled/spun through the air was so incredibly fun(!) to experience that it made me just want to WILD more. I had found it wasn't a distraction for me because I enjoyed it so much that I was eager to let it happen when it began, and catch the ride again into the dream, haha.

I just have to be careful of the HI because it does distract me, and at this current point in time, often to the detriment of the WILD. Maybe as I get more comfortable with it, I'll be able to just quietly notice it without focusing on it and waking myself up.

I thought I would share my experience of a successful DEILD I had last night.

I have been attempting WBTB WILD every night for the last 10 days or so and tonight was my first success. I still have yet to experience a true WILD, but my attempt did lead to a DILD and a DEILD!

My WBTB attempt was nothing special so I don't want to give it to much focus here, but I am hoping that experiencing a successful DEILD transition will help me WILD in the future!

As a note this all happened during my last sleep cycle after 8ish hours of sleep. At the end of my DILD as I felt myself waking up I remembered to hold still and try and fall back asleep. I am very curious about the state I found myself in as I was waking up, I think that if I can replicate it during a WILD I will be able to transition! I was quite lucid since I had just come out of a lucid dream, compared to the low lucidity I have just rolling over throughout the night in between sleep cycles. As I focused on holding still I felt almost like I was being pulled back into a dream, it felt like my body was falling. Rather than fight this feeling I just went total limp bone, like if I had been standing I would have just collapsed into a puddle on the floor, and I felt myself falling. I could see this dream "bubble" beneath me that I was still on the outside of but sinking into. As I went through the barrier to this bubble I was surrounded by intense white light and felt very peaceful. During this whole process, starting immediately after I decided to just go limp and fall, I would say that I had zero sensation of my waking body at all, then once I was in the dream my dream body felt just like my real body.

It is this point that I hope to reach in my WILD attempts. I think I am way to curious about what I am experiencing as I try to fall asleep, focusing on my real body. But every successful dream transition I have had involves me having zero sensation of my real body. I have not found how to get to this place of sleep during a WILD transition.

On another note I was re-reading this thread in preparation of making this post and came across this quote from sageous that I thought was very curious. Basically in the lucid dream I was asking how I could get lucid more frequently and was told that "I needed to develop a lucid mindset". Now keep in mind I was told that before reading this quote from sageous today, I'm sure I've heard him say something similar before, but it really caught my attention today.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

If you're not clear on what I'm calling a lucid mindset, basically it is a gathering of the fundamentals -- self-awareness, memory, and expectation/intention -- under an umbrella of knowing that you can and will be lucid next time you dream. Not so basically, and something that needs much time to learn, a lucid mindset is ultimately a firmly established non-dual perspective, a perspective in which you know that everything in a dream is You, that there is no dream to go to; only a new thing to think of.

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I am curious to know more about having a firmly established non-dual perspective, both in waking life and in dreams. I want to develop a "lucid mindset" to have more frequent lucid dreams!

Also, perhaps this is not the place for it sageous, but what are your thoughts on dream guides? I don't think I've ever seen you post about things like dream guides, persistent dream characters, ect...

^^ Nice work, Sangfoot!

Before I get into details, keep in mind that DEILD is WILD, being that both are a transition from wake-to-sleep-to-dream without losing waking-life self-awareness. So if you successfully DEILD, then you successfully WILD! And, if you can regularly successfully DILD, so you have a dream from which to exit, you might never need to do a "classic" WILD at all... after all, isn't becoming lucid the target, and not how you got there? But, of course, I assume that you wish to perfect your classic WILD skills, so let's move on:

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Originally Posted by Sangfoot

At the end of my DILD as I felt myself waking up I remembered to hold still and try and fall back asleep. I am very curious about the state I found myself in as I was waking up, I think that if I can replicate it during a WILD I will be able to transition! I was quite lucid since I had just come out of a lucid dream, compared to the low lucidity I have just rolling over throughout the night in between sleep cycles. As I focused on holding still I felt almost like I was being pulled back into a dream, it felt like my body was falling. Rather than fight this feeling I just went total limp bone, like if I had been standing I would have just collapsed into a puddle on the floor, and I felt myself falling. I could see this dream "bubble" beneath me that I was still on the outside of but sinking into. As I went through the barrier to this bubble I was surrounded by intense white light and felt very peaceful. During this whole process, starting immediately after I decided to just go limp and fall, I would say that I had zero sensation of my waking body at all, then once I was in the dream my dream body felt just like my real body.

It is this point that I hope to reach in my WILD attempts. I think I am way to curious about what I am experiencing as I try to fall asleep, focusing on my real body. But every successful dream transition I have had involves me having zero sensation of my real body. I have not found how to get to this place of sleep during a WILD transition.

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A couple of things here:

* I'm not sure you can replicate the DEILD state into your WILD, simply because a DEILD is driven by two things that just aren't on hand during a classic WILD attempt: 1), you are exiting a LD, so you are already and literally in a lucid dreaming state of mind at the moment of your transition, a state that you can only (and should) anticipate during WILD, simply because the dream doesn't come until after you complete your WILD transition. 2), By its nature, you are basically still mostly asleep when you do a DEILD, so you are effectively past that moment of WILD transition when you finally can stop balancing on the fence between wake and sleep and can fall asleep and enter your dream; with classic WILD, you will still need to reach that moment, which will involve all the stuff you don't have to deal with in DEILD.

* Instead of focusing on going back to sleep, I would suggest that you focus on returning to your dream and assume, or rather know, that you will be back to sleep in a few seconds. By concentrating on sleep instead of dream, you wound up going through a few unnecessary noise-like steps while your dreaming mind struggled to reset and get you back into a dream; had you just imagined yourself back in the dream you just left, confident that your body will take care of getting you back to sleep on its own, you probably would have found yourself immediately back in the dream you just exited, with you and your dreaming mind ready for new exploration. Now, I know all that "limp bone, falling, bright light, etc." stuff is pretty cool and all, but -- especially after a full night's sleep -- there was just as good a chance that, without the "instruction" of an active dream present, your body may have refused to relax and continued the wake-up process, leaving you wide awake and LD-free.

[ASIDE: As I finished writing that second note, I got to thinking, "Hmm.. Sangfoot did exit a DILD, but he wasn't remembering the dream itself when he awoke, and he went through a specific relaxation technique to get back to sleep, and there was all that noise (falling, bright lights, bubbles, etc.) ... I wonder if he actually did complete a classic WILD transition, and not a DEILD at all?" Perhaps just to justify all the stuff I just wrote, I'm going to assume that you did do a DEILD, Sangfoot, but I thought it a good idea to share that thought, just in case you wanted to chalk this up as a WILD!]

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Also, perhaps this is not the place for it sageous, but what are your thoughts on dream guides? I don't think I've ever seen you post about things like dream guides, persistent dream characters, ect...

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Yes, I don't tend to post about those things because I have little interest in them. I never saw a need for dream guides; inventing a DC who will tell you things you already know or, worse, inventing a DC who will tell you exactly what you want to hear, seems to me an unnecessary -- and a bit too waking-life focused -- effort. After all, it's your dream, why would you want a DC tell you how to interpret or create your dreaming experience, when you can do that better yourself? I suppose dream guides are useful for folks who have misgivings about their own abilities, so they may be useful to them, but even then they might become a crutch that prevents them from overcoming those misgivings.

Then there are those who contend that dream guides are living, independent beings from somewhere else, who actually are guiding them. Now that would be pretty cool! Unfortunately for me, in my forty-odd years of often intense lucid exploration, including some time spent looking and deeply wishing for one, I have never encountered a DC I could confidently call that sort of dream guide. Many came close, I will admit, but none repeatedly arrived from elsewhere into my dreams to offer sage assistance, assistance I would have totally welcomed! So, because of that, I've really nothing positive to add to conversations of dream guides.

Regarding persistent DC's, or for that matter, persistent realms: Though over the years I have had many DC's who had no match to people I knew in waking-life who turned up many times in my dreams, sometimes in truly curious manners, and I do have a couple of dream scenarios that regularly recur when I'm lucid, I guess I've never had much interest in actually creating and maintaining persistent subjects -- novelty trumps familiarity for me every time!

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* Instead of focusing on going back to sleep, I would suggest that you focus on returning to your dream and assume, or rather know, that you will be back to sleep in a few seconds

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Unless is very nasty one:armflap:

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Originally Posted by michael79

Unless is very nasty one:armflap:

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Even then.

Since, with DEILD, the dream from which you emerged was a lucid one, any nastiness that existed in it did so with either your own creation or approval -- plus you know you can leave it once you're back. Also, I'm guessing that, should a dream you were just in have been truly bad, you probably wouldn't be interested in doing a DEILD in the first place! ;)

[I know you were just kidding (at least I assume so), but you did raise a good point, so I figured it was worth adding a comment.]

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Even then.

Since, with DEILD, the dream from which you emerged was a lucid one, any nastiness that existed in it did so with either your own creation or approval -- plus you know you can leave it once you're back. Also, I'm guessing that, should a dream you were just in have been truly bad, you probably wouldn't be interested in doing a DEILD in the first place! ;)

[I know you were just kidding (at least I assume so), but you did raise a good point, so I figured it was worth adding a comment.]

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Actually I wasn't joking at all. For exit from lucid dream things are easy, if you got the timings right, but I was talking about exit from non-lucid one, unless you don't have any nightmares. But your idea is good about focusing on the dream instead of focusing on falling asleep, when you can't fall asleep again.

Edit: And one more thing, most of the times I didn't return to the same dream, I think returning to the same dream and becoming lucid is more of a MILD way.

Finally was able to distinguish between real FA and dream in which I know from the beginning that I'm dreaming. FA have the potential to turn into a lucid dream "DILD", but FA is just a glitch in the matrix. While the second type is a Delayed WILD, which can be a result of Failed WILD or SSILD(it's interesting how ssild prepare the mind for a delayed WILD though).

^^ Hmm, we seem to have some confusion here, Michael...

This thread is meant for students who take the DVA WILD class to which it is attached, so that they can post the results of their attempted WILD's (this replaces the traditional "notebooks" students usually post into with these courses). Since the class is pretty old now, I do welcome WILD attempts from dreamers who did not take the course (though in my responses I always try to recommend that they do so), but it really is meant to be focused on WILD's.

Though I certainly appreciate your posts, their advanced nature and the fact that things like "delayed WILD's" or exiting NLD's for a DEILD are subjects that probably do not belong in an introductory WILD class, or a thread specifically documenting WILD attempts.

For instance, it's difficult enough to help novices understand what a WILD transition is at all, but terms like a "delayed WILD" can be confusing indeed (it sure confused me, since I don't see how you can delay a transition that by definition requires you to maintain waking-life self-awareness throughout the journey to a lucid dream, so any delay might mean you lose that awareness, and the transition then would by its nature become a DILD); yes, DEILD'ing from a NLD is certainly possible, if you gain self-awareness after the dream and just before you wake up, but it is definitely not common or, as you say, "easy" as a "regular" DEILD as described in this class. Your references seem to carry the terms WILD and DILD a bit beyond their given definitions (WILD = transition from wake-to-sleep-to-dream without losing waking-life self-awareness; DILD = transition to lucid dream during a NLD), and though there is of course nothing wrong with that, they might find better homes elsewhere, or perhaps in their own threads.

I hope you understand my concerns, that you understand that this note is by no means a dismissal of your experiences or ideas, and that you are willing to work with me here. Also, I do hope you might start a thread on "delayed WILD's," as the idea is intriguing to me!

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^^OK fair enough I will try not to post anything that go beyond this thread purpose.

P.s. on the other things
DWILD differ from normal DILD by the onset of awareness, in the first the moment you open your eyes in the dream you know you are dreaming(you can consider them as natural WILD), in the second you gain awareness slower and have "Am I dreaming" moment through the dream.

I'm not talking about DEILD from NLD, I'm talking about waking up from NLD, but remember to not move or open eyes and execute a re-entry technique by own choice and this is not so easy by any means.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Before I get into details, keep in mind that DEILD is WILD, being that both are a transition from wake-to-sleep-to-dream without losing waking-life self-awareness. So if you successfully DEILD, then you successfully WILD!

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YES I'll take it!

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Originally Posted by Sageous

* I'm not sure you can replicate the DEILD state into your WILD, simply because a DEILD is driven by two things that just aren't on hand during a classic WILD attempt: 1), you are exiting a LD, so you are already and literally in a lucid dreaming state of mind at the moment of your transition, a state that you can only (and should) anticipate during WILD, simply because the dream doesn't come until after you complete your WILD transition. 2), By its nature, you are basically still mostly asleep when you do a DEILD, so you are effectively past that moment of WILD transition when you finally can stop balancing on the fence between wake and sleep and can fall asleep and enter your dream; with classic WILD, you will still need to reach that moment, which will involve all the stuff you don't have to deal with in DEILD.

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Hmm there are some new thoughts to me here. I have always thought that a WILD transition was completed when you ENTERED a dream, but here you are referencing them like two separate events. 1. transition 2. enter dream?

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Originally Posted by Sageous

* Instead of focusing on going back to sleep, I would suggest that you focus on returning to your dream and assume, or rather know, that you will be back to sleep in a few seconds. By concentrating on sleep instead of dream, you wound up going through a few unnecessary noise-like steps while your dreaming mind struggled to reset and get you back into a dream; had you just imagined yourself back in the dream you just left, confident that your body will take care of getting you back to sleep on its own, you probably would have found yourself immediately back in the dream you just exited, with you and your dreaming mind ready for new exploration. Now, I know all that "limp bone, falling, bright light, etc." stuff is pretty cool and all, but -- especially after a full night's sleep -- there was just as good a chance that, without the "instruction" of an active dream present, your body may have refused to relax and continued the wake-up process, leaving you wide awake and LD-free.

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Haha I KNOW that I have to much focus on my waking body, but even when trying not to focus on it I still do lol! Even when the dream is right in front of me to just focus on and return to I still try and make it difficult on myself focusing to much on my body. I think this will improve with more experience so I'm not to worried about it. I am already working on improving my lucid expectations and visualization. Looks like I need to add "ignore the noise" to my visualization also. Gosh, I keep getting fascinated with the noise! My learning is slow but more practice and experience is helping.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Yes, I don't tend to post about those things because I have little interest in them. I never saw a need for dream guides; inventing a DC who will tell you things you already know or, worse, inventing a DC who will tell you exactly what you want to hear, seems to me an unnecessary -- and a bit too waking-life focused -- effort. After all, it's your dream, why would you want a DC tell you how to interpret or create your dreaming experience, when you can do that better yourself? I suppose dream guides are useful for folks who have misgivings about their own abilities, so they may be useful to them, but even then they might become a crutch that prevents them from overcoming those misgivings.

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Ugh. This makes me feel co-dependent on my own sub conscious with my current DC expectations. It's like your saying to me that I need to practice self-awareness, of my dream goals. I'll spend some time pondering why I WANT a DC to tell me things, interpret things, and direct things for me. Crutch huh. (insert dagger straight to heart)

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Originally Posted by Sageous

Then there are those who contend that dream guides are living, independent beings from somewhere else, who actually are guiding them. Now that would be pretty cool! Unfortunately for me, in my forty-odd years of often intense lucid exploration, including some time spent looking and deeply wishing for one, I have never encountered a DC I could confidently call that sort of dream guide. Many came close, I will admit, but none repeatedly arrived from elsewhere into my dreams to offer sage assistance, assistance I would have totally welcomed! So, because of that, I've really nothing positive to add to conversations of dream guides.

Regarding persistent DC's, or for that matter, persistent realms: Though over the years I have had many DC's who had no match to people I knew in waking-life who turned up many times in my dreams, sometimes in truly curious manners, and I do have a couple of dream scenarios that regularly recur when I'm lucid, I guess I've never had much interest in actually creating and maintaining persistent subjects -- novelty trumps familiarity for me every time!

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Wow thank you for sharing your experience. Even though this isn't what I wanted to hear, it FEELS right to me, and I really appreciate you sharing your experience on the subject. I am going to ponder on the assistance I have been hoping to gain from a dream guide, and see how I can do those things from my own initiative and action, to increase my lucid mindset.

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* I'm not sure you can replicate the DEILD state into your WILD, simply because a DEILD is driven by two things that just aren't on hand during a classic WILD attempt: 1), you are exiting a LD, so you are already and literally in a lucid dreaming state of mind at the moment of your transition, a state that you can only (and should) anticipate during WILD, simply because the dream doesn't come until after you complete your WILD transition. 2), By its nature, you are basically still mostly asleep when you do a DEILD, so you are effectively past that moment of a WILD transition when you finally can stop balancing on the fence between wake and sleep and can fall asleep and enter your dream; with classic WILD, you will still need to reach that moment, which will involve all the stuff you don't have to deal with in DEILD.

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Hmm there are some new thoughts to me here. I have always thought that a WILD transition was completed when you ENTERED a dream, but here you are referencing them like two separate events. 1. transition 2. enter dream?

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Sorry, I wasn't clear. It looks like all I had to do was include the letter "a" in just the right spot of the post to be clear (I fixed it, above, and bolded it); it's amazing what one little slip can do!

Just in case: what I meant was that with DEILD you have already completed a transition to lucidity (because you are lucid), so you don't have to go through the stuff that comes with awaiting/making a WILD transition; since you're already lucid and in touch with the dream you exited, all you gotta do is let sleep resume. In other words, with DEILD you get to skip a (very busy) part of the WILD transition, and the WILD transition is certainly not complete until you are dreaming!

So, no; a WILD is all one event, not two. Sorry again for leaving out that "a"!

My last wake initiated attempt left me in uncomfortable half awake trance for hours. On the brink of ld but not quite there. I've no doubt it works well for others also it wasn't technique I wanted to further pursue All my lucid dreams are dream initiated. After about two weeks keeping up on journal (slowly documenting more dreams per night) something happens.

hello guys, i'm back with another question:D. so this is about WILD. whenever i attempt WILD, i start by laying still, after a few minutes of this, i start seeing some short random scenes, in my mind's eye. i think this is HI, im not sure though. after this, i regain consciousness and after a few minutes they start again and i just keep cycling through these two states. they start probably after 15 to 20 minutes. so my question is, what should i do from here? normally i just continue, but i just keep cycling until i swallow hard and get up after 40 or 50 minutes. Also at one point i started feeling a pretty weird sensation on my arm just below my shoulder. i like to think it was a vibration(it was pretty mild), but i cant say. i then, got the same sensation on the other arm. thoughts?

thanks as always!:D

I think you can probably keep on going except that you don't need to worry about swallowing. If you need to swallow then swallow. ;) I also, don't think you need to lay absolutely still.
To be honest, though, I can't say for sure if this is a step closer to the end result that you are looking for. you could just be very exhausted from excessive attempts of becoming lucid or even just being overtired? You can still have Hypnagogia even when you are tired. Did you at any point, feel that you were truly aware that you were dreaming?
From what I gather the sensation you are feeling is normal. This is another tactile sensation from the HH. You probably want to try your best to ignore that sensation. :)

Again, I'm going to Topic Merged and refer you to Sageous's thread where you can ask those kinds of questions there.

Topic Merged.
~HD.

This was my most recent WILD/ DEILD which was one of the strangest I’ve experienced…

I awake from a previous lucid dream but barely. My eyes are heavy and I’m so exhausted that I can barely hold on to wakefulness. I realise I haven’t moved and I’m close to sleep so I decide to attempt a DEILD. I don’t move, keep my eyes closed and notice some vague hypnogogia. I start to feel vibrations rather quickly and a strange twitching sensation in my body. I realise these sensations are likely a very realistic hallucination and I’m not moving at all. This is followed by a stranger sensation, the feeling that my body is laid still but floating away from my bed like a paranormal force is taking me. I try to remain still and not be frightened by this as I know it’s just a hallucination and will be gone soon. I look past my closed eye lids and through the swirling hypnogogia which is now a rainbow of colours and feel an acceleration as if my consciousness is being pulled away from my body. I’m hurtled at speed through a mirage of swirling colours, reminiscent of that scene in “2001: A space odyssey”. I reach out with my dream hands hoping to grab onto something physical but I can’t and this strange, abstract reality I’ve found myself in gets more intense and much more terrifying. It looks as if reality has turned to liquid and is swirling around chaotically in front of my eyes, distorting the shapes and merging the colours into a blurry kaleidoscope. This is accompanied by a distressing spinning and pulling sensation like my consciousness is being pulled apart in all directions. No matter how hard I try I can’t slow down or find a fixed point of stillness. A loud, gurgling, screech is all I can hear on top of this, as if sound and voices are been churned up and distorted in the same dizzying, incomprehensible way. It feels like I’ve slipped out of physical reality and I can no longer experience anything tangible. It’s a forever changing, unstable mess that can’t be comprehended. It’s really unpleasant and I feel lost forever in this dizzying, almost sickening mess of a mental state. I really want to wake up and escape but it appears I can’t and that’s when a worrying thought crosses my mind. What if this place is eternal, maybe even death and I’m forever trapped here, forever lost and unable to latch onto anything stable or comprehensible ever again! Thankfully the experience does come to an end and I materialise in my bedroom, stood next to my bed. Oddly the lights are on and my wife is asleep peacefully in bed but I’m so shaken up by the experience to notice this. I walk around my bed slowly, clinging to the walls, glad to feel like I have some stability again. I sit on the edge of the bed and start to become aware of the fact this could be a false awakening. My wife comes up behind me and hugs me around the waist. “Is this a dream?” I ask her, knowing if she’s a DC she won’t be truthful. “No” she says and I’m now very suspicious. “Ok, Then what time is it?” I say knowing full well it’s early in the morning in waking life and this may fool her. She looks at her watch and says “2 O’clock”. She shows me the watch and I can see the numbers changing. “See, the numbers are changing” she says, not realising she’s just slipped up. “Then it is a dream!” I say pointing out her mistake. She smiles and a look of mischief crosses her face as she realises she’s messed up and I’ve figured it out. “You silly dream character!” I say and we both laugh about it. I then stand up to get on with the dream…

That's cool, Tiktaalik, I wish I had some more interesting transitions.

I failed a spontaneous WILD in a very stupid way today. I got the vibrations, after being half awake or in a micro awakening. I imagined running and it worked really well, I felt myself running. And I was thinking: "Why am I trying to do WILD while running, it would be better to try while in bed, next time." And that was the end of it :D
I was barely aware when the vibrations happened. These spontaneous WILDs are hit and miss, quantity over quality.

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That's cool, Tiktaalik, I wish I had some more interesting transitions.

I failed a spontaneous WILD in a very stupid way today. I got the vibrations, after being half awake or in a micro awakening. I imagined running and it worked really well, I felt myself running. And I was thinking: "Why am I trying to do WILD while running, it would be better to try while in bed, next time." And that was the end of it :D
I was barely aware when the vibrations happened. These spontaneous WILDs are hit and miss, quantity over quality.

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Yeah, I love a crazy dream transition, even if they are terrifying sometimes! I know they’re not the “goal” when trying to have a WILD but I always find them fascinating experiences.

It’s funny what goes through your mind when transitioning and entering a dream. I had a similar experience where I was attempting a WILD by visualising a scene. My attempt worked and I ended up in the scene during a dream but I continued to believe what I was experiencing was just visualisation so I never actually became lucid!

hey guys, i ve been trying wild from a week now, and i reach a point where i get vivid HI scenes, i get some heavyness too, but one thing that troubles me is that during the attempt my nose starts getting scrunched, and it starts twitching badly, and i cant get my mind off it. i release my nose and for a minute it gets to normal and then again it gets all scrunched and twitchy. really interrupts me, how do i fix it pls help:D

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hey guys, i ve been trying wild from a week now, and i reach a point where i get vivid HI scenes, i get some heavyness too, but one thing that troubles me is that during the attempt my nose starts getting scrunched, and it starts twitching badly, and i cant get my mind off it. i release my nose and for a minute it gets to normal and then again it gets all scrunched and twitchy. really interrupts me, how do i fix it pls help:D

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I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds more like Textile Hypnagogia to me. Like they would tell you to ignore the heaviness, you probably best to ignore that too. (IMO)
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My first attempts for WILD was successful but recently, After weeks of trying WILD and failing, I'm becoming frustrated and don't know why I can't get it to work...
I relax to the state where it's going to transit into the dream but when I notice it, the transition stops and I'm left with the numbness feeling...
Isn't this what all the guides are saying? "fall asleep but be aware when you are entering the dream".
I'm exactly doing what I did the first times I got it right but somehow my body is like you are not allowed here anymore!

The interesting part is after I fail the transition it becomes so hard to get to that phase again, like I'm laying there for hours, watching my thoughts and getting nowhere.

Sorry if this looks like a rant :D . I really appreciate if someone guides me through this whole thing <3

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Did 2 more times and failed again and just achieved insomnia.

It's just too weird, couldn't feel the transition anymore. Tried reverse blinking, counting, deep breathing, and also tried to imagine a dream cause there wasn't any HI at all but got nowhere. It's been a downhill, no improvements. wish I could do another technique or method but none of them worked; I have 5 WILDs on record, It just doesn't makes any sense, I'm doomed!

had a nice dream after I slept tho :>

I see that that no one's been able to respond to you yet, Redr3x; though I'm not here much anymore, I'll throw in something quick for you in the hopes that someone else is more thorough later:

It could be that you are doing your WILD just fine, technique and focus-wise, but maybe you're having an issue with timing. You might be trying your WILD's at a time when your brain/body are not interested in dreaming (or even being asleep) at that moment.

I would suggest you try varying when you attempt your WILD, by doing your Wake Back to Bed's (WBTB's) at different times, being sure that they are all done after several hours' sleep (at least 5, in my opinion). You might manage to discover your "sweet spot" where wake, sleep, and dreaming are all on the same page, and your WILD might come more easily.

If you're already doing this, then I guess the only answer for now is keep trying... I know you hate hearing this, but sometimes these things do take time!

As long as I'm here, I did notice a couple of other things: First, if you're attempting your WILD (the actual holding still/waiting to sleep part) for more than, say, 90 minutes, it's probably time to give up that particular attempt; I've found that trying for longer periods than that only leads to frustration and possible discomfort.

Good luck, and I hope you hear from the resident experts soon!

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You might be trying your WILD's at a time when your brain/body are not interested in dreaming (or even being asleep) at that moment.

I would suggest you try varying when you attempt your WILD, by doing your Wake Back to Bed's (WBTB's) at different times, being sure that they are all done after several hours' sleep (at least 5, in my opinion). You might manage to discover your "sweet spot" where wake, sleep, and dreaming are all on the same page, and your WILD might come more easily.

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As Sageous says here, your body/brain (arguably your mood too) need to feel ready and interested in doing "the thing" and personally I'd say it's largely the same with creative activities.

Basically, if you are not in the right mindset and not sort of passively receptive and ready for what you want, you can end up feeling like all the other parts of yourself are fighting you on it. I'm not sure how to best explain this unless you already have a similar notion.

Maybe with an example: sometimes I get asked to make artwork with themes I do find interesting, but I don't like some of the more specific elements I'm asked to put on the artwork; this often means that I need to research and prepare myself more than I normally would need to if I was painting something just for fun/for myself, which can make it feel annoying and like a chore. There's a similar thing going on with exercises like WILD and visualisation in that we (as consciousness) are like the person requesting an art piece, and then the body (the "artist") is like: "but how can I do that?"

If this wasn't helpful, let me know and I'll try to rephrase or think of a better way of explaining, but hopefully you get what I mean, and hopefully I haven't caused confusion.

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I'm exactly doing what I did the first times I got it right but somehow my body is like you are not allowed here anymore!

The interesting part is after I fail the transition it becomes so hard to get to that phase again, like I'm laying there for hours, watching my thoughts and getting nowhere.

Sorry if this looks like a rant :D . I really appreciate if someone guides me through this whole thing <3

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Rants are fine. Though there's a thread just for ranting too. :cheeky:

I'm not an expert on WILD because I stopped trying a few years ago, mostly because I didn't use to share a bed and I do now. That said, from my experience of trying WILD, the issue of getting stuck trying to get back to the same phase is a bit like when we try to get to sleep normally but can't; you can do the same thing that would be helpful in that situation and walk around for a bit, read a book, distract yourself basically, for thirty minutes or an hour, and then get back to it and try again, hopefully having sort of "reset" yourself by that point. If you try that out, do let us know how you get on.

Also, just a general reminder, if you're focusing a lot on the obstacles and frustrations, that will sort of feed itself and just make it feel harder and less rewarding, which could lead to feeling burnt out. It is difficult to do so, but I guess my advice in that regard would be to try and take it easy. Personally, I think lucid dreaming has to feel fun, because if it starts feeling like a chore you don't like going through, then it can become demotivating.

I Really appreciate for your responses Sageous and DarkestDarkness. These were some key points I hadn't taken into the account before. I'll try more and will share my experiences soon.
Much love <3.

Last night I tried the wild method which I had done 4 days ago and got the same results. I have only lucid dreamed once and I'm trying again, but I need help with wild. When I go to sleep, I sit there for a few minutes then start to vibrate, see colors, fast heartbeat, and breath out of control. I need help controlling this, last night when I tried, my breathing and heartbeat was super out of control and when I tried to calm down it got worse and I failed the method, so I need tips for that. Also, I've been trying out the ADA method by looking around and focusing on my surroundings, like colors of objects and what they look like. What I need is how often should I do this and what do I do.