New way to get lucid

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Originally Posted by Sageous

About 15 years ago I bought a thing from the Lucidity Institute (aka: Stephen LaBerge) called the Dream Speaker. It hooked up to my DreamLight, which was the (vastly superior) precursor to the NovaDreamer.

You would record whatever you wanted into the Dream Speaker (I had my wife say, "This is a dream"), then plug it into the DreamLight, stick the Dream Speaker under your pillow, put on the DreamLight's mask and go to sleep. When the DreamLight detected REM, the speaker would go off at whatever volume and interval you preselected. If your expectations and intentions were well set, when the thing you recorded wanders into your dream, you'll remember that you're dreaming, and the fun begins.

I didn't use it much -- I was always too light a sleeper for stuff like this, and the machines always woke me up, no matter how much I wanted them to work. Regardless, suffice it to say that the idea and the technology have indeed been around a while. As Dutchraptor said already, they even named this "method" EILD (Electonically Induced Lucid Dream).

Keep in mind, though, that it would only be worth trying if you could sync your recording with REM. I don't think there's an app for that yet, though I do know LaBerge is working on one.

So yes, IANthedrummer, though this idea is a good one if done correctly, it isn't terribly new. I hope, though, that it works for you!

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Sageous thank you for posting and that's some good info. I never heard about the Dream Speaker.

No problem. I doubt the Dream Speaker Exists anymore, and you still need a NovaDreamer to drive it, but I thought I'd share that info just to confirm that this is a good idea, and that some smart people (like LaBerge) have tried to capitalize on it.

Finally I did the 4th attempt and it was the best so far, I was very sleepy and tired last night so I went to sleep without trying any technique to get lucid, but when I woke up this morning it was still very early for me to get up, so I set the alarm with the recording to "tell me I was dreaming" in 20 minutes and then I went back to sleep, I don't remember my dream very well but I do remember when I heard my voice telling me I was dreaming but after a few seconds I "woke up" then I tried to turn the alarm off but when I did it didn't stop! I was in a false awakening!! and then I actually woke up.... so:

Attempt 1: I heard my voice saying that I was dreaming but I didn't care and a few moments later I woke up

Attempt 2: The same than the previous

Attempt 3: Nothing

Attempt 4: FA

I'll try again tomorrow (I can't do it tonight because I have to go to school very early)

5th attempt

I went to sleep at midnight, and set a normal alarm to wake me up at 6 am then I get up for a bit and
set the alarm with the recording (just like the last attempt), went to sleep and like 20 minutes later I heard "You are dreaming" for about 10 seconds and woke up :/ BUT

I went back to sleep and in my dream I was in my bedroom and suddenly realized that I was dreaming!!!! but I got so excited that I woke up.

So I dunno if I got this lucid dream because of the recording or not but I think I'm getting better results every time :D

^^ I would say it has something to do with hearing the recording.

...Seems like you're making real progress, Ian -- Kudos!

Yeah me too :) and yes I'm so happy I hadn't have a LD since October (even trying to WILD or DILD) and now I tried this few times and BAM! now I need to stay calm when I get lucid XD

I'll be posting all my experiences

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I would try this, but I have the simple problem that when I go to sleep with a pair of headphones on, they don't stay on. This does sound quite interesting though, not that it would necessarily work for everyone, but it's worth a shot if you can keep a pair of headphones on your head. c:

Good luck to everyone who tries this, and happy dreaming c:

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Originally Posted by HatsuneMiku01

I would try this, but I have the simple problem that when I go to sleep with a pair of headphones on, they don't stay on. This does sound quite interesting though, not that it would necessarily work for everyone, but it's worth a shot if you can keep a pair of headphones on your head. c:

Good luck to everyone who tries this, and happy dreaming c:

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Keep trying Ian. I would try it, but earbuds bother me. It seems that if you could go to sleep with music playing, it might not get into my dreams. I've gone to sleep with the radio playing and it didn't affect my dreams...that I know of.

On the other hand, when the radio comes on during silence, it often works its way into my dreams. That's why I like the Easy MP3 Player.

Ultimately though, I hope you keep trying this method and keep recording your results. You seem to be having better results, and hopefully they will keep getting better.

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Originally Posted by HatsuneMiku01

I would try this, but I have the simple problem that when I go to sleep with a pair of headphones on, they don't stay on. This does sound quite interesting though, not that it would necessarily work for everyone, but it's worth a shot if you can keep a pair of headphones on your head. c:

Good luck to everyone who tries this, and happy dreaming c:

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Hey! I forgot to mention that I DON'T use headphones anymore, I just place my ipod beside me and lower the volume and it's still working 8 )

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Originally Posted by The Sandman

Keep trying Ian. I would try it, but earbuds bother me. It seems that if you could go to sleep with music playing, it might not get into my dreams. I've gone to sleep with the radio playing and it didn't affect my dreams...that I know of.

On the other hand, when the radio comes on during silence, it often works its way into my dreams. That's why I like the Easy MP3 Player.

Ultimately though, I hope you keep trying this method and keep recording your results. You seem to be having better results, and hopefully they will keep getting better.

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Thank you The Sandman ><

6th attempt


I could had have a DEILD with this one but I'm a total noob at DEILDing.
I did a WBTB in the morning and like the last 2 attempts I set the alarm and went to sleep and again I heard my voice again but this time I woke up almost immediately but like 1 or 2 seconds before I woke up I kind of realized that I was in a dream but I also knew I was going to wake up and yes I did, but this helped me beause I knew that if didn't move I could get a LD (DEILD) so I remained completely still for about 3 minutes but I felt very uncomfortable so I could't help moving >:/ I need to practice that.





Attempt 1: I heard my voice saying that I was dreaming but I didn't care and a few moments later I woke up

Attempt 2: The same than the previous

Attempt 3: Nothing

Attempt 4: FA

Attempt 5: A very short Lucid Dream but I'm still not completely sure if it was because of the alarm with my voice.

Attempt 5: Helped me with DEILDing but I failed.

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Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

6th attempt



Attempt 5: Helped me with DEILDing but I failed.

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LOL I meant Attempt 6

If you had a Zeo headband, you could use the ZILD app to trigger the mp3 to start whenever the headband detects REM

Hi, guys
I'm an music producer, and for a few years during my teen age I had a habit of listening to music everyday through headphones before sleeping

here's my experience with this
when I don't take the headphones off by the time I'm fast asleep I will have an constrictive, suffocating or otherwise claustrophobic feeling/experience in a dream, transforming the scene of my dream, kicking in halfway during the night
and upon waking up my ears are warm and weary of the headphone weight etc.
So what I did is when I'm on the verge of going deep asleep while already seeing parts of a dream in a daydream like state,
I'm with half/closed eyes removing the headphones or shutting the ipod down, and then power myself down into sleep continuing with my daydream thoughts into the real dream while never losing awareness, until my dream is done or it's time to wake up
I've been also use the sleep function on devices, like they shutdown after a period of time say 20mins or 2hrs and beats having a HP on your head ;)
you've also got cpu apps like killwinamp which shutdowns you computer after a user programmable time or set to number of songs in a playlist very handy & cool,
cuz I hooked up my dolby 5.1 to the cpu ;D
by the way the best background music for me to fall in sleep/dream to is soft jazz like dianna krall or sarah brightman
even trance from the 90s-00s with it's repetitive trance-inducing beat and twinkling melodies will do the job also works for a few people I know

I'm still learning about how things are named and terms like lucid and non-lucid dreaming, WILD etc.
but I actually don't know non-lucid dreaming as I'm always aware I'm dreaming
I don't ever say or ask in my dreams "am i dreaming?" cuz to me it's obvious, as it is somewhere else than the place where I fell asleep, (like matrix jacking in boom you're somewhere else)
and I'm always feel eager to do something in a dream than waste my time how real or fantasy like it is, I guess that works different for everybody

however I don't use music to wake up cuz it doesn't work for me unless it's like big stereo max vol loud, this is because I dream about music, playing music or the audio output of my dream overwhelms the external reality sound
the only thing that works alarm wise is too have a very sharp loud obstructive beep sound or else I sleep right through it, also if the alarm clock or shutdown device like a remote is in arms reach (less than a meter) I will even shutdown the alarm while never leaving awareness of my dream, waking up later why the hell didn't the alarm go off LOL
So my alarm is actually around 4m away from me on max volume with a obstructive error sound so in order to shut it off I have to get out of bed resulting in exit dream ;D
ones I'm awake freddie mercury/queen is the best energizer to start my day with hands-down :D especially the song "Born to love you" at a reasonable loud volume

anyway that's my perspective & experience, hope it helps, good luck dreaming guys ;D

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Originally Posted by Ampage

If you had a Zeo headband, you could use the ZILD app to trigger the mp3 to start whenever the headband detects REM

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Good info, it could be helpful thank you

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Hi, guys
I'm an music producer, and for a few years during my teen age I had a habit of listening to music everyday through headphones before sleeping

here's my experience with this
when I don't take the headphones off by the time I'm fast asleep I will have an constrictive, suffocating or otherwise claustrophobic feeling/experience in a dream, transforming the scene of my dream, kicking in halfway during the night
and upon waking up my ears are warm and weary of the headphone weight etc.
So what I did is when I'm on the verge of going deep asleep while already seeing parts of a dream in a daydream like state,
I'm with half/closed eyes removing the headphones or shutting the ipod down, and then power myself down into sleep continuing with my daydream thoughts into the real dream while never losing awareness, until my dream is done or it's time to wake up
I've been also use the sleep function on devices, like they shutdown after a period of time say 20mins or 2hrs and beats having a HP on your head ;)
you've also got cpu apps like killwinamp which shutdowns you computer after a user programmable time or set to number of songs in a playlist very handy & cool,
cuz I hooked up my dolby 5.1 to the cpu ;D
by the way the best background music for me to fall in sleep/dream to is soft jazz like dianna krall or sarah brightman
even trance from the 90s-00s with it's repetitive trance-inducing beat and twinkling melodies will do the job also works for a few people I know

I'm still learning about how things are named and terms like lucid and non-lucid dreaming, WILD etc.
but I actually don't know non-lucid dreaming as I'm always aware I'm dreaming
I don't ever say or ask in my dreams "am i dreaming?" cuz to me it's obvious, as it is somewhere else than the place where I fell asleep, (like matrix jacking in boom you're somewhere else)
and I'm always feel eager to do something in a dream than waste my time how real or fantasy like it is, I guess that works different for everybody

however I don't use music to wake up cuz it doesn't work for me unless it's like big stereo max vol loud, this is because I dream about music, playing music or the audio output of my dream overwhelms the external reality sound
the only thing that works alarm wise is too have a very sharp loud obstructive beep sound or else I sleep right through it, also if the alarm clock or shutdown device like a remote is in arms reach (less than a meter) I will even shutdown the alarm while never leaving awareness of my dream, waking up later why the hell didn't the alarm go off LOL
So my alarm is actually around 4m away from me on max volume with a obstructive error sound so in order to shut it off I have to get out of bed resulting in exit dream ;D
ones I'm awake freddie mercury/queen is the best energizer to start my day with hands-down :D especially the song "Born to love you" at a reasonable loud volume

anyway that's my perspective & experience, hope it helps, good luck dreaming guys ;D

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That's awesome! and it sounds a bit similar to what I do, and if it works that good for you I believe that one day, with this method I'll be able to have LDs in a very reliable way :D

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Originally Posted by Ampage

If you had a Zeo headband, you could use the ZILD app to trigger the mp3 to start whenever the headband detects REM

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Unfortunately the Zeo headband doesn't seem to allow you to have an alarm that is played on detecting REM. Their "Smartwake" feature is supposed to be able to advance the alarm that you normally set to have it go off in liht sleep rather than the middle of deep sleep, but mine just doesn't seem to work at all. Th ealarm just sounds when you set it to go off.

I've asked their tech support about this and they confirmed it. I've suggested that they should add it as a feature, but I got the impression they were reluctant - I don't know why.

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Originally Posted by Ampage

If you had a Zeo headband, you could use the ZILD app to trigger the mp3 to start whenever the headband detects REM

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Apologies Ampage, didn't read your post carefully. Just looking at the ZILD app now!

Guys this is amazing! I had another LD!!!! I swear


Attempt No. 7


When I woke up at 5am. (WBTB) I set the alarm with my voice as always to "make me lucid" in 20 minutes. and I went back to sleep.

I remember I was dreaming about driving towards the downtown and since I live in a very high hill I could see that a part of the city was blacked out, when I was near the downtown I heard my voice telling me I was dreaming and this time I did care :D and therefore got lucid, yay!, I got out of the car and tried to stabilize my dream by seeing and rubbing my hands together.Everything seemed so vivid, I walked a bit over there and then I tried to appear a car (I didn't remember where I left the other one XD) by closing my eyes and thinking "when I open my eyes there will be a car" but I think it wasn't the best idea because when I closed my eyes it felt a weird sensation and when I opened them I was in my bed :(

But It was great!! I got lucid again, I had never have 2 lucid dream in a week, my last LD before this method was last year in October and now this :D :D :D :D

I'm eager to do it again but I can't do it tonight because of the school but I'll for sure do it tomorrow.

The problem for me is finding a pair of headphones comfortable enough to wear while sleeping on my side. I've tried binural beats and other subliminal-type audio tracks while sleeping, but I'm always awaken prematurely because of the discomfort of the buds pushing too deep into my ear..

I've read some of you complaining
about how uncomfortable is wearing headphones while sleeping, and I know*
so, my first 3 attempts I used earbuds and in the morning my ears hurted, so I started to use the speaker of my iPod, I just lowered the volume and put it beside me and it's still working.

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Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

Hey! I forgot to mention that I DON'T use headphones anymore, I just place my ipod beside me and lower the volume and it's still working 8 )

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Oh, well that's a good idea.. I may actually try this after all if I ever decide to charge my ipod. But hey, good luck to you! Sounds like you're already making good progress, and it does seem like a really good technique. Actually I think I will charge my ipod after all :3

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Originally Posted by HatsuneMiku01

Oh, well that's a good idea.. I may actually try this after all if I ever decide to charge my ipod. But hey, good luck to you! Sounds like you're already making good progress, and it does seem like a really good technique. Actually I think I will charge my ipod after all :3

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Thank you man, and yes I think I'm getting stunning results I just had my 3th LD!!!! god! I'm so happy asdfghjkl
I'll post it right away :)

Attempt No. 8


Ok now I'm totally sure this method works!!!*
I just had my 3th LD and the best part is that last attempt I also did I hope next attempt I'll have another 8 )


I did my routine:

-Went to sleep
-Woke up after 5 hours
-Set the alarm with my voice to make me lucid in 20 minutes.
-Go back to sleep

I fell asleep and my dream was kind of a nightmare: I remember I was at home and a stranger was in, I was a little scared and somehow I got a gun XD and shot him in the face, but immediately! seriously just when I shot him I heard the holly signal :D and became lucid, I shook my head to stabilize my dream, it worked well, everything semmed very real, then I went to the yard and tried to appear a machine that freezes the time (I know it sounds dumb but lucid dreams have no limits! yay! so I tried)
but I couldn't do it, I always suck at appearing things :( (if some of you know how please tell me) a few moments later I felt the sensations you feel when the LD is gonna end so I tried to stay by shaking my head again but it was too late.

So it wasn't a very long LD but I'm flooded with happiness because I never have LDs this often, the most LDs I've had before this are 2 in a month.

I'll do my next try tomorrow :)*







Attempt 1: I heard my voice saying that I was dreaming but I didn't care and a few moments later I woke up

Attempt 2: The same than the last one.

Attempt 3: Nothing

Attempt 4: FA

Attempt 5: A very short Lucid Dream but I'm still not completely sure if it was because of the alarm with my voice.

Attempt 6: Helped me with DEILDing but I failed.

Attempt 7: A lucid dream!*

Attempt 8: Another LD!!

Attempt 9

Nothing :/