Thread: New way to get lucid

Sounds pretty good. I'll give this a try next week and see if I can get my first DILD!

Hey man,
That's a good solid technique I can't say it will work for everybody because it is sort of like a toned down version of a tool you can already use. Ever heard of subliminal messages? This is sort of like liminal messages because it's not going to your subconious. And I once brought a sublimal lucid dreaming MP3 and well I'm not going to lie it didn't work the best. But this does have potential because I know some people who do a very simular thing. It's sort of like a external auto suggestion, if you know what I'm saying.
Good Job
-GangsterPanda

IANtheDrummer,

Great minds think alike. What you are talking about is in the CAN WILD thread. This technique uses the Easy MP3 alarm. This alarm lets you point to an MP3 obviously.

What I like about your method is that it uses your own voice instead of a strange sound (which can also be helpful I imagine). I like the idea of giving myself messages, and that's exactly what I do. It has worked for me one time. It uses the principle that my dreams are sometimes infiltrated by the alarm. You and I have stumbled upon the same thing. It is something more than simply Electronic Induced Lucid Dreaming, but manipulating that electronic device.

I like the Easy MP3 alarm because it only goes off once, so you don't have to turn it off, therefore waking up and moving. You can make it short and hopefully it gets in your mind while dreaming. If not, you can open multiple instances of the alarm and it can go off again whenever you set it. I have set several instances of it to try to make sure I hear it.

Good luck with this technique. The radio gets in my dreams, but because I don't have apriori knowledge of it, it just begins to form my dreams. The one time I heard my own alarm, I did kick lucid, so I totally believe in this technique. I also log my dreams that are infiltrated by the alarm. I like to keep track of them.

Again, good luck to all who use this technique!

The Sandman o/***

I have used audio, but not like this. I had a song playing on repeat while meditating. I then took a nap with the song still playing. It worked the first time, but I can't get to sleepwith headphones on anymore. not during naps at least.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

I have used audio, but not like this. I had a song playing on repeat while meditating. I then took a nap with the song still playing. It worked the first time, but I can't get to sleepwith headphones on anymore. not during naps at least.

I agree, that music does distract me in my sleep/dream cycles. When i am trying to concentrate all i hear is the music in the background even if it is on low.

I'm gald you'll try it good luck buddy

btw

I did my second attempt yesterday and again I heard the voice for a few seconds but again I didn't care and threfore didn't get lucid, so I'm still very happy cuz it works! but I'm also getting a little frustrated, gotta find a way to care about the voice that tells me I'm in a dream.

This is called EILD and is a set technique, infact the nova dreamer and Remee were both made based on this technique.

Originally Posted by GangsterPanda

Hey man,
That's a good solid technique I can't say it will work for everybody because it is sort of like a toned down version of a tool you can already use. Ever heard of subliminal messages? This is sort of like liminal messages because it's not going to your subconious. And I once brought a sublimal lucid dreaming MP3 and well I'm not going to lie it didn't work the best. But this does have potential because I know some people who do a very simular thing. It's sort of like a external auto suggestion, if you know what I'm saying.
Good Job
-GangsterPanda

Yes I've tried the subliminal messages for like a week, it was a mp3 wich played a relaxing soundscape and an inaudible voice (it was supposed to be audible for the subconscious) but I didn't get any LD, maybe it was because I didn't listened the mp3 enough time, i dunno.

Well GangsterPanda I hope one of these days you'll try this and share your experiences

Originally Posted by The Sandman

IANtheDrummer,

Great minds think alike. What you are talking about is in the CAN WILD thread. This technique uses the Easy MP3 alarm. This alarm lets you point to an MP3 obviously.

What I like about your method is that it uses your own voice instead of a strange sound (which can also be helpful I imagine). I like the idea of giving myself messages, and that's exactly what I do. It has worked for me one time. It uses the principle that my dreams are sometimes infiltrated by the alarm. You and I have stumbled upon the same thing. It is something more than simply Electronic Induced Lucid Dreaming, but manipulating that electronic device.

I like the Easy MP3 alarm because it only goes off once, so you don't have to turn it off, therefore waking up and moving. You can make it short and hopefully it gets in your mind while dreaming. If not, you can open multiple instances of the alarm and it can go off again whenever you set it. I have set several instances of it to try to make sure I hear it.

Good luck with this technique. The radio gets in my dreams, but because I don't have apriori knowledge of it, it just begins to form my dreams. The one time I heard my own alarm, I did kick lucid, so I totally believe in this technique. I also log my dreams that are infiltrated by the alarm. I like to keep track of them.

Again, good luck to all who use this technique!

The Sandman o/***

I just read the CAN WILD thread and it sounds very very effective, I'm not a great fan of WILDing but I'll try this for sure, Thank u The Sandman.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

This is called EILD and is a set technique, infact the nova dreamer and Remee were both made based on this technique.

Hey dutchraptor! I've read some of your post good to see u here, Externally Induced Lucid Dram hmmmmm I never heard about that thanks for the info.

This sounds really cool; I always here my alarm in my dream. What device did you use to record and play your voice? Thanks (:

Originally Posted by thewolfsam

This sounds really cool; I always here my alarm in my dream. What device did you use to record and play your voice? Thanks (:

An iPod touch, with the app called Voice Memos and apple headphones with mic

Yeah, I tried playing classical music while I slept, and I heard it throughout my dream. (although it didn't make me lucid, like I had hoped)

The other time I did it, with a WBTB, my mind actually added Vocals to it, (in French, it sounded like), which I recognized as unusual and actually got up for to check what the name of the "new song" must be. However, my sister woke me up just before I turned on the (in-dream) computer screen. Otherwise, I may have become lucid from it.

There is an iPhone/iPod app called Dreamz that allows you to record your message and then (supposedly) plays it when you are dreaming.
There is a couple of threads in the forum discussing it.
Oh, it's not free, but anyway it's quite cheap.

Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

I just read the CAN WILD thread and it sounds very very effective, I'm not a great fan of WILDing but I'll try this for sure, Thank u The Sandman.

I don't really consider it WILDing, regardless of what the method indicates. I consider it EILD.

Originally Posted by The Sandman

I don't really consider it WILDing, regardless of what the method indicates. I consider it EILD.

I consider it more like DEILD and in my opinion it is very similar to WILD but somewhat easier.

Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

I consider it more like DEILD and in my opinion it is very similar to WILD but somewhat easier.

IantheDrummer,

I figure it is more like EILD because--let's say I'm not dreaming. My alarm goes off and I hear it. I don't wake up, but I begin dreaming right when it goes off. That would certainly be an Electronically Induced Dream, and if a lucid, an EILD.

Let's look at another scenario. You are dreaming when the alarm goes off. You don't leave the current dream, but the alarm alters your dream. You haven't really exited the dream.

DEILD would require that you are in a dream and exit the dream, then enter a new dream triggered by the alarm. Even then, it would be Electronically Induced, therefore, DEEILD.

Does that make sense, or do you still figure it to be more like DEILD? Just curious. Honestly, I have a hard time understanding DEILD period, so I ask honestly.

Originally Posted by The Sandman

IantheDrummer,

I figure it is more like EILD because--let's say I'm not dreaming. My alarm goes off and I hear it. I don't wake up, but I begin dreaming right when it goes off. That would certainly be an Electronically Induced Dream, and if a lucid, an EILD.

Let's look at another scenario. You are dreaming when the alarm goes off. You don't leave the current dream, but the alarm alters your dream. You haven't really exited the dream.

DEILD would require that you are in a dream and exit the dream, then enter a new dream triggered by the alarm. Even then, it would be Electronically Induced, therefore, DEEILD.

Does that make sense, or do you still figure it to be more like DEILD? Just curious. Honestly, I have a hard time understanding DEILD period, so I ask honestly.

Yes you're right, but I don't know if I'm wrong but I think the CAN WILD is about WAKING UP to an alarm that will turn off automatically so you don't have to move and you can DEILD, I'll read the thread again maybe I'm wrong

Originally Posted by The Sandman

IantheDrummer,

I have a hard time understanding DEILD period, so I ask honestly.

DEILD is about waking up after 4-6 hours of sleep but you have to remain perfectly still when you wake up wich is the most difficult part I think, then you just have to do what you would do when WILDing but it will be easier since you come from a REM period and you didn't move when you woke up.

Originally Posted by IANtheDrummer

DEILD is about waking up after 4-6 hours of sleep but you have to remain perfectly still when you wake up wich is the most difficult part I think, then you just have to do what you would do when WILDing but it will be easier since you come from a REM period and you didn't move when you woke up.

I guess if you know when your REM cycle is, then yes, that makes sense. I think it sounds more like WILD in that case.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

This is called EILD and is a set technique, infact the nova dreamer and Remee were both made based on this technique.

This.

And I remember a thread where someone hid subliminal messages in relaxing audio sound/music, and asked people to sleep with it playing. Can't remember if it worked for others, but it didn't do me good when I tried.

About 15 years ago I bought a thing from the Lucidity Institute (aka: Stephen LaBerge) called the Dream Speaker. It hooked up to my DreamLight, which was the (vastly superior) precursor to the NovaDreamer.

You would record whatever you wanted into the Dream Speaker (I had my wife say, "This is a dream"), then plug it into the DreamLight, stick the Dream Speaker under your pillow, put on the DreamLight's mask and go to sleep. When the DreamLight detected REM, the speaker would go off at whatever volume and interval you preselected. If your expectations and intentions were well set, when the thing you recorded wanders into your dream, you'll remember that you're dreaming, and the fun begins.

I didn't use it much -- I was always too light a sleeper for stuff like this, and the machines always woke me up, no matter how much I wanted them to work. Regardless, suffice it to say that the idea and the technology have indeed been around a while. As Dutchraptor said already, they even named this "method" EILD (Electonically Induced Lucid Dream).

Keep in mind, though, that it would only be worth trying if you could sync your recording with REM. I don't think there's an app for that yet, though I do know LaBerge is working on one.

So yes, IANthedrummer, though this idea is a good one if done correctly, it isn't terribly new. I hope, though, that it works for you!

I have to stand by the Easy MP3. It didn't work for me several times, but it worked once. You can make your own MP3, or several. They can be 1 second or 30 minutes or more. You can have different ones kick in at different times.

I don't know when I am in REM, but I seem to be in REM when I am ready to wake up and a couple hours before, so I'm confident I can have it work again.

If you have ever had a news broadcast or song from an alarm enter your dream, you know that this method could make you dream. Whether or not you become lucid is another story, but it worked for me once. I'm glad I have it on my machine.

Originally Posted by The Sandman

I have to stand by the Easy MP3. It didn't work for me several times, but it worked once. You can make your own MP3, or several. They can be 1 second or 30 minutes or more. You can have different ones kick in at different times.

I don't know when I am in REM, but I seem to be in REM when I am ready to wake up and a couple hours before, so I'm confident I can have it work again.

If you have ever had a news broadcast or song from an alarm enter your dream, you know that this method could make you dream. Whether or not you become lucid is another story, but it worked for me once. I'm glad I have it on my machine.

It worked when was that?