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Hi everyone !
My dream recall is improving seriously ( 3-4 dreams/ fragments per night) and i want try DEILD now.
let me ask you one thing: i usually awake at 4h30 after sleep to write my first entry in DJ. so, is it better to try DEILD at this time* or should i have an alarm 20 minutes earlier ?
* the implicit question is: when i awake isnt my REM period over, and therefore can i dream again ?
thank you.
Don't be lazy, just use a mantra to wake up. It's easy.
you didnt get my point ;)
im asking if you can dream longer if you awake yourself earlier, as you will have more REM period..( i guess )
ty anyway
Its most likely that the REM period is over, and using an alarm is a very bad idea as the sound will wake your mind up too quickly and you'll forget the dreams you just had. When you wake up you should journal your dreams and try doing the WBTB technique for when you enter the next REM cycle as its most likely the easiest in your situation, or you could use a mantra so that when you wake up from a dream you don't move, so you can DEILD but you might forget the dreams you just had. :)
DEILD really has two variations. As you figured out, when you wake up naturally at the end of a REM cycle, you body isn't ready to enter more REM. Instead, a DEILD is more likely to happen when a dream is interrupted in the middle of REM and then you can reenter it. So the two variations are:
1. When a dream is naturally interrupted, this is usually called "dream chaining" (search forum for that term). A lucid or non-lucid can be interrupted for many reason like escaping a nightmare or unintentionally de-stabilizing (for example, this happens to some people if they blink while lucid). In this case, the DEILD extends an existing dream. This can be a deliberate technique to induce or it can be a skill to deal with poor stability of dreams induced by other techniques.
2. When the dream is intentionally interrupted by an alarm, this is usually called "CAN-WILD" (search forum for that term). This requires some experimentation with the timing and the alarm. You can try vibration instead of sound. Again, I'm just summarizing. More detail can be found in these forums.
Here's the original CAN-WILD thread, which is probably the closest to what you're attempting: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...torial-**.html
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I wait until I awaken from a dream naturally. It is a common misconception that dreams only occur in REM. They also occur in NREM (non-REM). When you awaken from a dream try to visualize that very dream without opening your eyes.
As faceonemars said usually you do not wake up at the end of a REM period, often you wake up right before or during a dream as this is the lighter phase of sleep.
http://sleepforall.com/images/sleep-cycle.png
A lot of people actually wake up multiple times a night but don't remember it.
I would recommend learning to DEILD without an alarm, once you become good you learn to recognize these awakenings, and you can work from there.
Best time to try for a DEILD is when you wake up from another lucid dream. This way, you are aware and instead of waking up fully and fast as we usually do, you can try to enter another LD, while you still more asleep than awake.
I prefer to wake up by myself, but you can experiment with very soft alarm and see, if it doesn't wake you up too abruptly.
For it to be a DEILD, you have to wake up from a dream, so you are still in REM, and better yet, from a LD. I have never had a DEILD after regular, only after LD.
And yes, it's true that we can and do dream in NREM also, but those are not as frequent, nor as long, vivid and detailed as those in REM. Good luck.:alien: