Thread: Mission for you - I test your methods

I love wasting my time on sleeping, litteraly.

I'm a lazy guy nowadays (I've got a cuple of weeks off) I can sleep up to 14 hours, and I seldom have any real dayrythm, so I find it to be a perfect oppurtunity to experiment with lucid dreaming.

If you guys do have some methods you wanna experiment on, post them here and I'll preform them, even if they require some strange/unnatural patterns or rythms. The methods you post doesn't need to be invented by you, it could be by anyone. I'll give you detailed feedback after I've preformed it, and if you'd like I can write inbetween sleep. And there we go, lazy guy goes to active guy.

Some backhand information on me:
[list]VERY good dreamrecall.
Currently only DILDed.
Non-habital RC checks - unfortunatly RC fooled me in my last dream.
The normal WILD method doesn't work (from dreamviews tutorial).[list]
I hope you'll give some detailed and well thought-out suggestions.
I'd rather not waste a night hitting my head to the wall every hour to induce lucid dreaming.

Hi Calh, I've been switching from method to method but have been focusing on one recently. It's to bring the idea that U are on your bed sleeping into the dream state. What I do is I conciously keep thinking about the feeling of my body on the bed, my skin on the bedsheet,etc... until I fall asleep. So far hasn't worked yet, U could give it a shot,LOL..

hi im dean... i want you to test somone elses way of lucid dreaming (2 if possible )


1.

This is a technique that I have developed recently. It is a very easy way to become lucid. I have had a 100% success rate with this. (2 attempts)

After I have woken in the morning, I focus on a place that I know well or a route to somewhere that I know well (the route not the place) and I imagine everything about the place. Scenery objects, my clothes, people, and I do things. I try to recreate how I feel when you are dreaming. The real body must not be moved, but don't focus too much on that. This method requires concentration on the dream. You can shift all of you awarness out of your body and into your environment in a couple of minuets. Then you are lucid.

1. I have only done this in the morning. I don't know how well it works in the evening.
2. The sleep appears to end soon after the dream has finished.
3. No need for a reality check because you will be aware of the slow wake/dream transition.
4. This is not a WILD. No hallucinations or paralysis.
5. I do not know if being tired or sleepy is totally nessecery.
6. It is best to do this at a time when you won't be disturbed as it helps you to ignor the real world and focus on the dream one.
7. I recommend this technique for begginers and for anyone who wants to fit in an extra lucid dream.
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2.

- HILD: Hargart's Induced Lucid Dream -

Here is a new lucid dream induction technique I created

Quote:


1. Go to sleep:
- You want to do this tech when you are the most tired. For some people, it's 3 hours after you have gone to sleep, for others, 5, or you can do it in the morning (harder)
- might help to tell your self to wake up after your dreams (Like in the MILD tech.).. haven’t tried this yet
- Try playing very soft music in the background when you go to sleep if you want to wake up during the REM state. Make sure it's very very soft, and has no beat/voice in it.

2. This is the hardest part of the technique. You need to get into a state where you are very tired, and feel like you could easily fall asleep. To achive this, you either have to wake up from a dream during the night, set an alarm clock for the time where you will be the most tired, or use the dream period in the morning.

2a. (Unreliable, but easy if you wake up) If you find that you have just woken up from a dream in the middle of the night or you set your alarm to wake you up, you should already feel very tired. Continue to step 3. (if not, just go back to sleep. You could try to relax, but I dont think it would work too well.)

2b. (most reliable) If you have set an alarm clock for 3, 5 or however many hours works best for you, you should wake up in a tired state. Try relaxing, and when you feel like your very close to sleep, contine to step 3. However, if you have woken up, and dont feel tired at all, I would go back to sleep.

2c. (hard and unreliable) If you have woken up in the morning, you might not feel very tired. (You might be relaxed, but you would find it hard to start sleeping agian.) To get into this "tired" state, you should go back to sleep. In about 30 mins (or more), you will wake up again. When you wake up this time (try not to move or open your eyes), try to relax as much as possible and see how tired you feel. (Be carefull you dont fall back to sleep) If you feel very tired, continue to step 3. Otherwise, go back to sleep, and try again when you wake up.

3. Relax. Once you think you are about to fall asleep again (You should already feel like this when you wake), you need to start moving part of your body, It should just be a very small movement, and it needs to be repetitive. I recommend using your fingers.
- What I do is this: Right now, imagine you are playing a piano with 2 fingers: your pointer and middle finger. Push one key down, lift it back up and at the same time, press the other finger down. Just keep going back and forth between the fingers. I have my hand under my pillow when i did this, but Im sure it would work anywhere. Just make sure the movement is very small, and takes very little energy to perform it. (I was just doing this on my right hand)
- Another Note: When you are moving you fingers, don’t try to visualize anything, just think to you self that you will do this for 10-30 secs, and then check to see if it's a dream.
- Also, do not tell your self all the actions you are going to do, and do not "count" while you do this tech... Just say to your self, you will do a RC in 10-30 secs, and then just lay there, moving you fingers.
- Try to focus on the movement, and just try to relax.
- Do not focus on trying to fall asleep (it will keep you awake). Keep focus on your fingers, do not let your mind wander.

4. Once you start the motion, try to relax (as much as you can, but don’t force it. Dont "try" to fall asleep) and wait about 10-30 seconds (keep your fingers moving). During this short time, tell your self that you will wait about 10-30 secs, and then you will check to see if you are in a dream. (Don’t count in your head) Once the 10-20 secs have passed, do a nose RC (Where you pinch your nose closed, and try to breath in.. If you can, you are in a dream). If the RC fails, just try to go to sleep normally for a few mins (no motion or RCs), and try the tech one more time. If it fails again, go to sleep, and try again later that morning. If it works it should only take 10-30 secs. Do not lay there doing a RC every 30 secs over and over, it will just wake you up even more.
- The first time I did this, I thought that It wasn’t going to work. After the 10-30 secs, I still was sure that I was still trying to fall asleep, with my fingers moving. However, when I did a RC, I realized it was a dream. I thought to my self "wow, I’m in a LD, I guess it does work"
- On 7-4-04, I found that whenever I started to dream, I had a tingly sensation all over my body.

5. If the nose RC works, try to get out of bed...
- I found that in the morning, when I tried to get out of bed in the dream, I would wake up immediately when I tried to move. If this happens to you, you should try this: once you realize that you are dreaming from the nose RC, keep your eyes closed, and keep pinching your nose. Continue to breath through your nose. Wait about 10-30 secs, and then try to visualize your room in your head (like your looking at it thru your closed eyes). The image should slowly come to you, and once it has, get out of bed, and you shouldn’t wake up from the movement.


NOTE: When this works successfully, the real world (where you were moving you fingers) will be transitioned into the dream world (You will dream that you are still moving your fingers, and trying to relax).

Some people are telling me that they are trying to move their fingers, and then do a RC every 30 secs.. That's not what you should do. If the 1st RC fails, stop the finger movement, and RCs, and try to relax for a few mins, then, try the tech once more. If it fails again, go to sleep, and try again later that morning. Hope that helps

Things to try: Instead of waiting only 10-30 secs, see what happens if you wait more like 1-5 mins. (When I discovered this tech. I kept waking up from what I thought was the real world, and realizing that it was entirely a dream.. So I tried again, and told my self to wait a few secs, and then do a RC.. and it worked). I think that it is either going to work, or it's not going to work, do not lay there for 20 mins moving your fingers. If it doesn’t work, go back to sleep, or try relaxing for another few mins.
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if you could test these and IM or e-mail results to [email protected] that would be great!
Edit: I did NOT i repeat did NOT make these up they were someone elses... no credit to me

Iv'e doen HILD with success. Its a simple easy method. I had about 25% chance of gaining lucidity. All my Lucids where less then 5 mins.

Do you have a 25% success rate with HILD? Did you do it any different then the tutorial? I'm curious, I like that method but it's only worked once for me.

Hi dean (idontknow)

I'll be testing tonight, sorry for being late with my reply.

Hey, I did this one a while ago, check it out:

An explication I’ve come up with for those newbs who want to WILD:

Some suggestions:

-1- Dedication: This is most important, if you don’t commit towards practicing dream recall (if you don’t have any), and to take in consideration lucid dreaming, you will not accomplish this.

-2- Dream Recall: This is the most important part you want to learn, if you have no dream recall, then there is no point in wilding, or in that case, to dream at all, because if you can’t remember your dreams, then what is the point of being lucid in them. I personally don’t have this problem, but from other users I can gather that the best way to improve dream recall is by having a journal. You should start this by waking up 2-3 hours after sleeping, write down your dreams in the journal, and go back to sleep, wake up again in 3 more hours, by this your total time of sleep should be in the 5-6 hours, and write down your dreams, and while going back to sleep, this would be a good time to practice WILD, but don’t get to carried away with it and loose sleep, if you can’t WILD, simply go back to sleep, then after you wake up again, write down your dreams, I suppose that by a month you should have got it thru to your mind enough in order to remember dreams well and not have the need to wake up in the middle of the night.

-3- Meditation: I suggest meditating because it is very useful for the WILD technique, when you meditate you will want to find yourself in an environment similar to the one where you WILD, you will sit down on the floor comfortable, close your eyes and let your thought progress by itself, by meditating you will eventually learn how to control your thought process and be able to relax easily.

For the WILD (Wake Initiated Lucid Dreaming) technique:

-1- Environment: You will want to find a place that is comfortable to your needs, that has absolutely no distractions over you.

-2- Preparing: After you have found yourself in an environment comfortable enough, lay down to sleep, get comfortable, if you find it hard to get comfortable try relaxing before going to bed, do what most relaxes you and jump back into bed, I find meditating very relaxing; it is also important to position one self in a matter that won’t be destructive, remember you will not be moving from here on, find a position to sleep in that when you wake up you don’t have a pain of some sort.

-3- Start: This is when after positioning one self in bed; you start the process of WILD.

First, you will start by clearing your mind, how to do this, the most popular way is to concentrate on your breathing, what you have to do is to take thought not into consideration, this means, stop fantasizing and stop taking any thought that may come around any farther than where it began at, do this and you will have no problem, it is easier than what is believed. Your thoughts will eventually start rambling on there own.

Second, after you have cleared your mind, you will rapidly start to fall asleep or go into sleep paralysis (SP), try to not fall asleep, keep your mind clear, but at the same time, know you have your mind clear, this will take you to SP. When you start entering SP, you will start by having some hallucinations, they could either be auditory or visual, or they could happen both at the same time, don’t take any of them in consideration as you have done with your thought, if you think about them you will wake back up, and don’t get scared from them either, for example, if you hear your name shout, don’t wake up thinking someone is calling you, in the end, don’t bother about them, just let them happen. Another thing you will start to feel while in SP is vibrations or numbness, don’t get scared from it or you will wake up, do no think about them either, they could sometimes be very strong, and feel like if you are pulled or pushed, and also like a rush or acceleration, don’t bother about them, let them happen equally.

After you have successfully passed to the stage of SP it will be soon when you start to get lost in your head, you will fell like you are inside your head, for example, in the movie “Being John Malcovish(or something)”, when they teleport inside of Johns head, imagine you are there, that’s how you will be. At this point you will start to see your thoughts as dreams, (I’m not saying that you should start thinking, keep your mind clear) they will start to play like movies, this is the most crucial point of WILD because it is very easy to loose lucidity, you will start to enter the dreams little by little, until eventually you are pulled into one, try and remain lucid thru this, or you will loose yourself in whatever dream you have gotten into, and go on with it; when you are pulled into a dream take charge, do what you want, notice you are dreaming, ask yourself what you want to do, before you play along with the dream. Congratulations, if you’ve done all of this, you have successfully done the WILD technique, needless to say, go on and do whatever you feel like in your dream.
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Originally posted by Nugget75
Do you have a 25% success rate with HILD? Did you do it any different then the tutorial? I'm curious, I like that method but it's only worked once for me.

I tried it briefly for about a week almost. I did almost everything. I set my alarm for 3 hrs after

going to bed.Woke, set my alarm to go 3 hours after that. I just waited til I was ready and started the hand motion. But I noticed I was doing it so lightly that my fingers wernt moving,

just the muscles slightly flexing. THen I had a weird sensationg and I did a RC and VIOLA!

Lucidity. I'm trying it again tonight or the next.

cool cahl thanks!

My two best LD's happened during short morning naps after four to five hours of sleep. Before bed, I say out loud "I will remember my dreams'" and "I will have a lucid dream sometime soon." I then sleep 4-5 hrs. In the morning I stay up 1-2 hrs, and return to sleep after repeating the same things.

Wanna try this or variations and see what you get?

I have a method. You will have to visit my site and get a free download.

Or you can just look at the site and get the idea.

http://dreams.art-reverie.com/index.htm

The diagram on this site is the best I could come up with to easily explain my method.

If you don't become lucid your at least in for some wonderfully vivid dreams.

i dont get it...

Tell me what part you don't get Beefy Jerky.

I sort of invented one the other night, I remember going down into it, it put me to sleep at least, but unfortunately I'm having a hard time figuring out how to remember my dreams. Maybe you could try it and tell me if it works.
1> Have a plan for the environment you'd like your dream to begin in.
2> Picture a long, spiral staircase going down, down, down, like into a well. Keep walking down, taking the steps one at a time, and really use your imagination to get the feel of the steps, the stone surrounding you, the decending depth. Concentrate hard on taking each step until you begin to feel them.
3> get a rhythm going as you desend, don't allow your mind to wander from the steps. Think of going down the well, as going to sleep, and the depth being deeper and deeper sleep.
4> When you begin to feel that the well is more real than your body lying in bed, realise that you are coming close to the bottom of the well, and that you will soon arrive at the place you decided on in step 1.
5> As you reach the point of no return, you find a door. Say to yourself, "It is the door of dreams. I am going to have the dream of my choice."
6> You open the door, it is the environment you planned earlier. You step into your lucid dream.

P.S. If this works, and you are lucid, could you try the following for me: at some point, say, "I have to go back now, so I can remember my dream." Find the door, and climb back up the spiral staircase into wakefulness.