The Guide To End All Guides -{wild}- Discussion

Very nice... I say this should be a tutorial...

So you say you wanted some more questions about it...

One thing is, how do you focus yourself so you stay concious for so long? I often go unconcious too fast and its hard to prevent.

and another thing is... well, I rarely feel itches, this isn't that big of a problem for me, but my body gets so uncomfortable and I really want to move it. I just think "nothing is happening, I'm really uncomfortable and I want to move." What is the best way to handle this?

Also, I'm kinda worried that I'm either gonna be so tired I'll go back to sleep too fast and won't be able to stay concious or it will end up like taking an hour or two and I won't be able to handle it... how tired should I be when going back?

[First two posts have been split into the tutorial section. This topic remains for discussion of the tutorial. - Seeker]

do you think it is better to do this in the afternoon during a nap or at night.
Usually when I try in the afternoon I get almost to the point of being in a dream but then I get to excited and wake up. At night I usually just fall back asleep even after staying up for about 30 min.

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do you think it is better to do this in the afternoon during a nap or at night.
Usually when I try in the afternoon I get almost to the point of being in a dream but then I get to excited and wake up. At night I usually just fall back asleep even after staying up for about 30 min.

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im pretty sure i answered that in the post, but anyway, you should WILD at night for best results, if you stay up for 30 mins and still fall unconcious then stay up for an hour next time, if you still cant do it after an hour then next time drink some cola right after you wake up after 5-7 hrs of sleep then stay up for 1hr and 10 mins, if all else fails then keep upping the caffiene intake until youdont fall asleep super fast (I highly doubt that all else will fail though) ;)

TUTORIAL!! w00t!! :D

I have one question about this tutorial.

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Eventually you will either suddenly find yourself in a dream, or you will feel a wave of energy go through your body (not like the one people talk about being related to WILD but another kind, it only goes through your body one time and it feels as though someone just shot adrenaline through your veins and its spreading throughout your system.[/b]

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What happens after the pulse. i think I have felt it before. It started at my spine then spread through my body then it was gone. After three min. it happened again. i don't know what it is. If there is something i have to do after that, please tell. 8)

I realise that most of these WILD techniques are nearly identical, however this is the one I used last night with great success.

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1) I try to have had a steady sleep schedule for the past couple of days (i.e. going to be at 8 PM for the past 3 days and getting up at 6AM [/b]

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I have no sleep schedule, and seldom ever do.

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2) Now that iv had a steady schedule ill go to sleep at 8 PM (I find this is my best time to go to bed before WILDing) and get up at 3 AM (also my best time, these can be changed for different people though) [/b]

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Went to bed at roughly 10:30, and fell asleep around 11:30- I did some short conscious exercises for fifteen to thirty minutes, as I found myself unable to sleep after a period of time.

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4) Wake up at 3AM (this is changeable for everyone, just remember you MUST sleep for 5-7 hrs or else its very hard to WILD, and you should be able to have another at least 2 hrs of darkness outside when you wake up after your 5-7 hrs) at this time I usually feel outright like a pile of shit, my body aches, my head hurts, I get nausea from getting up so early, all I can think of is why I should even care to WILD, just remember that there must be a damn good reason since you DID set your alarm to wake up that early. The mild nausea and headaches go away pretty quick though so no worries. Now’s the time that I usually grab a cola from the fridge and take 2-3 gulps, no more and usually no less (this will change for everyone, I don’t always do this, it according to how sleepy my mind feels; another thing you have to keep in mind is that caffeine take about 1 hr to take full effect so it wont help you too much if your only staying up for 5-30 mins) now I do a number of different things, but iv found that what works best is sexual arousal, yes that sounds strange but its true, it wakes up the mind extremely fast while the body does nothing, you can also read or do math problems in your head. Do this for as long as you had decided to stay up. [/b]

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Got up at 4am, reset the alarm, and drank some coke- then preceeded to go back to bed. It took a very long time, a long and dare I say ucomfortable- a really nasty feeling accompanied the WILD.

Entered the dreamstate sometime after 4:30am, at first was mildy hazy, and then I did some spinning and some hand rubbing- I just let myself flow with the dream. Excellent experience, despite laying back down and forgetting the details... sucks.

I haven't read it yet, but looks like it's good for a tutorial.
I'm the new education team leader, but to be honest I'm not sure how this works - do I move this to the tutorial section or do you post one there yourself ? :P
I'll read it and find out first, when I get a gap :)

Good to see this technique has already worked for someone :)

and placebo, I dont want it moved into the tutorial section yet, i need to add more info to it so it will be the complete guide to WILDing and so it answers all questions etc..

If anyone that has read it noticed that i left out a common noob question (or if your a noob and you have any questions that i didnt answer in the post) please post them so i can add to the final copy :D

hmm, so wierd I did the same thing, I had been pmd several times about how I wild so I wrote a kind of tutorial for reference. Nice stuff billybob :thumbup: . I also think that instead of being moved to the tutorial section, why not make it a sticky? on this section or the newbie section, I've noticed a lot of people sign in on the forum and start asking to many questions about wild, making it a sticky could probably work for answering all questions there and as new people come they can read back instead of posting a new thread.

I'm just bumping this since I personally feel it would benefit many a noob (and I put alot of thought into it)
and also because you didn\'t put it into the tutorials </jk>

I also updated it a bit.
so yep, if you have any questions about it either post here or PM me :D

(hope I'm not breaking some rule I haven't read here, but I really think this could be beneficial to the new noobs)

Sweet guide :D

I've got the same question as Spoof up there. What happens after the energy wave? I felt it before, 2 or three times one night.

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Eventually you will either suddenly find yourself in a dream, or you will feel a wave of energy go through your body (not like the one people talk about being related to WILD but another kind, it only goes through your body one time and it feels as though someone just shot adrenaline through your veins and its spreading throughout your system.[/b]

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well there's two types of waves:
one isn't really a wave but can be called one, your laying there and suddenly you feel an intense shaking all over your body then it goes away --this one's called vibrations and is normal to WILDing (its related to SP)

the one I was talking about is different, you feel a sensation traveling from your toes to the top of your skull like your being scanned by some sci-fi thing, usually directly after it happens I feel totally alert and "different" somehow, often I just get up, I feel I cant WILD anymore so I open my eyes and do a reality check. (that or I don't open my eyes at all, I just envision a beach around me and stimulate sea-gull noises and the wind etc. then I open my eyes and find myself at a beach (rather than having to start in my room all the time :()

did that answer your question?
if not tell me and I'll try and go more in-depth :)

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PS. updated main post to make it much more readable in some parts

Oooh, thats interesting.

Yes, Ive experienced the second type of wave. I didnt know what to do about it; I just felt it and waited for something to happen. Time passed and I found myself awake, in the morning u.u

If it ever happens again, Ill try imagining some scenery. Or just leave WILDing for another night.

Thanks!

:cry: i'd like to WILD but normally when i get to stage where i feel like my body's goin numb . i kinda get stuck there for like hours, waiting for the streaks of colours and the vibrations :( so yeh how do you fix that?

Very nice guide, but could you go a little more into detail about the part where you actually transition into the dream, after the "wave". Do you just open your eyes and do a RC?

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Very nice guide, but could you go a little more into detail about the part where you actually transition into the dream, after the "wave". *Do you just open your eyes and do a RC?

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Its really hard to explain :P but you just seemingly magically "know" that you've entered a dream. the wave usually comes right before that. and sometimes nothing at all, you just automatically open your eyes only to find your sleepmask is gone :shock: (by automatically I mean their just suddenly open, that's usually how you know your in an LD)

but yeah, occasionally you just have to risk all and do a RC, but you have to remember that doing so will kill any chances of you completing the WILD if your still awake

but lets not forget about the other ways people enter through WILDs:

~speeding through a tunnel with the wind ripping at their clothes

~ falling through their beds and landing on their dream beds

~ appearing at some random location (such as a tiki party) with a martini in their hand

~ standing in their room

there's all kinds of ways to enter an LD, that was just how I usually do it :D

extensively updated topic post AGAIN and adding more about entering the LD

PS. mods please check out the second post of the topic :)

[quote]PS. mods please check out the second post of the topic :)[/color]

You should PM Seeker about getting your thread stickied (or moved to the tutorial section) - he'd be the decision-maker in that department.

Excellent work, BillyBob - you've really helped out a lot of members here and we appreciate all your effort and knowledge. :)

WOW! Last night I tried this technique. I went to bed at 11 pm and woke up at 5 am. I started the "1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming" on the rhythm of my breath, and when I got to about 50, I started to feel the vibrations (for the first time ever :D). Also, some kind of tingling sensation started. After a while, the vibrations got stronger, and they kind of moved there way up to my head. My pulse started to rise, and my breating got faster (reaaaally strange feeling). But then... the sensation faded away :( And I kept on counting and breathing, and my body was feeling numb... But at about 150, I thought that I was never gonna fall into a dream, and since I had to go up for school the next day (which is today), I kind of turned around and went to sleep.

So, O mighty BillyBob :P, what is your advice for tonight? What should I do? Just count longer, or is it the wrong time?

O by the way, at about 110, it seemed like my feet were sinking into the bed, but at 115 it stopped again.

What to do :( :D

Hey BillyBob,

Excellent WILD thread – very complete. I just wanted to add a thought or two.

As you have said, it is crucial to be able to get into a very relaxed state as you count yourself to sleep (after WBTB). The mind tends to wander off in various directions: thoughts pop up, annoying tunes start to play, and daytime worries interfere with the calm state of mind we're trying to achieve. All this is distracting, and makes WILDing harder.

I find that what I have eaten for dinner has quite an influence on how deeply calm I want to be: sugar will tend to make my mind more agitated, and it will therefore be much harder to very calmly focus on the “one, I'm dreaming”, etc. (even if I'm doing this counting seven, eight or more hours after my evening meal). So I try to avoid candy / chocolate / sodas & colas / biscuits, etc. I find that simple food like lentils with green vegetables and herbal tea will allow me to be calmer, and therefore WILD better! (I also try to maximise food containing vitamin B6). Oh, and overeating isn't much good, either!

For anybody who might be interested, I wrote an extensive account of getting into a WILD I had a couple of months ago, in my dream journal. It's the last entry, at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23874

I hope that the above is helpful!

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the sensation faded away :( And I kept on counting and breathing, and my body was feeling numb... But at about 150, I thought that I was never gonna fall into a dream, and since I had to go up for school the next day (which is today), I kind of turned around and went to sleep.

So, O mighty BillyBob :P, what is your advice for tonight? What should I do? Just count longer, or is it the wrong time?[/b]

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Did you do a reality check before going back to sleep? sometimes the transitions a sneaky mo-fo and it happens without any side affects whatsoever

also you should have 2-3 hrs of the night your ready to sacrifice on WILD, so once you start WILDing never stop until you either pass out, get into a dream, or your alarm clock goes off :)

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Hey BillyBob,

Excellent WILD thread – very complete. I just wanted to add a thought or two.

As you have said, it is crucial to be able to get into a very relaxed state as you count yourself to sleep (after WBTB). The mind tends to wander off in various directions: thoughts pop up, annoying tunes start to play, and daytime worries interfere with the calm state of mind we're trying to achieve. All this is distracting, and makes WILDing harder.

I find that what I have eaten for dinner has quite an influence on how deeply calm I want to be: sugar will tend to make my mind more agitated, and it will therefore be much harder to very calmly focus on the “one, I'm dreaming”, etc. (even if I'm doing this counting seven, eight or more hours after my evening meal). So I try to avoid candy / chocolate / sodas & colas / biscuits, etc. I find that simple food like lentils with green vegetables and herbal tea will allow me to be calmer, and therefore WILD better! (I also try to maximise food containing vitamin B6). Oh, and overeating isn't much good, either!

For anybody who might be interested, I wrote an extensive account of getting into a WILD I had a couple of months ago, in my dream journal. It's the last entry, at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23874

I hope that the above is helpful!

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at one point I was WILDing successfully on a nightly basis (quit because it took so much out of me getting up for 2 hrs a night) and I found the only thing that mattered about what i ate the night before was whether it would give me indigestion or not, (that can REALLY mess up your WILD)

and yes, I did actually do tests to see whether what I ate was affecting my WILDs and you just read the result :) (keep in mind that I've been doing this for over a year now :P, I've explored many avenues of what might affect it)

anyway obviously my experiences have been personal (I've only been able to tests things out on myself) but I have read many other WILDers posts on here and I've never heard of the night before's meal affecting their conscious state when WILDing (other than the indigestion I mentioned earlier) What I have found to affect consciousness however, is when one goes to sleep and gets up in the mornings, (thus the reason why I told everyone in the tutorial to have a steady schedule)
Are you sure it wasn't just your sleep times that may have effected it?

actually read this before it was a tutorial - helped with my first wild. I usually get the intense pulse/waves in 2-3 cycles the first cycle , usually is when i have to get over the fear of whats happening and if I get past that stage the next one or two are more intense and out of my control before i am in my ld.

anyway good tutorial should do wonders for noob's if they follow the steps.

i have a little broblem,ok i fell asleep at 21,and woke up at 23,should i wake up 6 hours later or resume my previus dream period

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I have a little problem, ok i fell asleep at 21,and woke up at 23,should i wake up 6 hours later or resume my previous dream period

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(I'm guessing you were using military time and that you said you slept for 2 hrs before re-awakening):
The reason its extremely helpful to sleep at least 5 1/2 hrs before you WILD is because of your REM periods, the longer you sleep, the more frequent your REM periods are, and the more vivid and long are the dreams that they produce. If you sleep in excess of 5 hrs before WILDing you greatly increase your chances of being able to get SP to lead to REM (thus leading to a dream)

so if your question was:
"Do I need to sleep longer if I wake up 3 hrs after falling asleep before I do a WILD" then yes, you should go back to sleep until its been 6 hrs since you closed your eyes the night before (so in other words, getting up to use the bathroom or something wont affect your REM)

If that didn't answer your question tell me and I'll try again :D

This seems like a mighty fine tutorial! I shall try it tonight... I like this one.. All the other WILD threads were hard to understand...

Wowee! I wish I'd found this back when I was having major trouble with WILDs! Hehe, I'm gonna have to try this all tonight! :) (I just got back to my regular sleep pattern this week :D)

Very good tutorial ! :mrgreen:

I've been attempting WILDs for a few days. So far I've tried thrice.
But it isn't working !
This morning I waited, tried to relax and all. It lasted 2 hours - but nothing happened (save from body tingling). I don't think I lost consciousness.
Do you think it's a relaxation problem ?

Nice guide Billybob, nice guide. Yet another Billybob creationg. I'll try this technique sometime soon. Maybe tonight.

Do you think WILDing is the right choice for noobs or should we try to gain LD through other techniques first?

I have been practicing WILDing before going to bed and have felt the tingleing sensation mentioned above, my breathing becomeing shallow, and it feels like my tong is swelling to fill my entire mouth.

Unfortunatly I don't have a regular sleep pattern and I have to share a room with my brother so I can't be setting my alarm for 5 in the morning. When I go back to school I'll give it my full attention.

Do you think it would help at all to continue practiceing throughout the rest of the summer before returning to school?

This is a great tutorial, Thankyou

I must have read this guide about 40 times by now, thanks for the help BillyBob :D

But I have a question, I have an awful sleep pattern, I can never get to sleep at times like 11pm and 12pm, I usually get to sleep at about 6am but I always get around 9-10 hours sleep anyway so basically my day is extremely short, but when you say go to bed at 11 and get up at 3 can I do the equivalent of this in my later houred sleep, let&#39;s say I go to bed at 6 and get up at 10 would this have pretty much the same effect or does time going to sleep matter and I should sort out my times when I go to sleep?

Thanks,
Me.

I have a question about a problem that I have. I&#39;m not sure how many people share this problem with me, but I need my mind to wander to fall asleep. It&#39;s basically just have your mind think about random garbage, which links to other random garbage, which links again and again and again and again until either A. I regain conciousnous and forget what I was thinking about, or B. I fall asleep. When I&#39;m really tired, my mind will almost always wander. This was never really a problem for me, except now that&#39;s I&#39;ve started trying to LD. First, I&#39;ve tried FILDing a bit. I&#39;ve played with my fingers wierdly for an hour, but all it did was make me more awake and waste sleeping time. When I try to VILD, either my mind wanders and I fall asleep, or I spend an hour visualizing, nothing happens, and I just give up and try to fall asleep.

All I want to know is if you think WILDing is different, because you fall asleep conciously. I&#39;ve done sort of half-assed WILD attempts before I slept at all, and I don&#39;t really get anything. I sit in bed for around 20 minutes doing the 61 point method while my mind goes everywhere after 2 or so points and then I will try and gain conciousness again and get back on track. Sometimes my arms will kinda fell heavy, but that&#39;s only because I haven&#39;t moved them for a while. I get some blobs of colour in my vision, but it only looks as if I were pushing on my eyes.

I&#39;ll try it anyways, but I want to know if I should get my hopes up.

Last night, I went to bed at 11 and woke up at 5. I went to the bathroom and right away tried WILDing.... unfortunately at about 50 my mind started to wander and I fell asleep.

On a bright side, I managed to get 2 lucid dreams that night :content:

...And the same thing happened last night. I fell asleep while sort of trying to WILD and I got 2 lucid dreams :wink:

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I have a question about a problem that I have. I&#39;m not sure how many people share this problem with me, but I need my mind to wander to fall asleep. [/b]

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I know this isn&#39;t the way the OP said to do it, but you can use this to WILD very effectively. Instead of concentrating/focusing on relaxing, focus on your daydreams (whats daydreaming but for night?). Don&#39;t judge them or think about them, just let your mind wander over any topic it wants (sounds like you can do this just fine =D). You might find yourself keeping consciousness a little longer each time you do this, as your attention is being held by something (just like in normal WILD).

Eventually you&#39;ll get to a point, where you&#39;re very close to sleep, that your mind starts to get very inventive. Suddenly your thinking gets a whole lot more abstract, and whatever you&#39;re visualising (not in the &#39;seeing&#39; sense) seems a little more focused. This is a queue to start directing your minds wandering towards something concrete - like an object or a physical activity. You don&#39;t need to be able to see it - for some reason in this state concepts are things you can interact with.

Whatever pops into your head, try to concentrate and feel the physical sensation of it. If its an object pick it up and play with it, throw it around. If its physical activity do it with a high intensity. If you&#39;ve imagined a place, interact with it. At some point you realise "hey... I&#39;m actually doing/feeling/seeing/interacting with x". Either you&#39;re already in a dream, or you&#39;re close enough that it doesn&#39;t matter.

Hope this made sense.

-spoon

ps. In case this made it seem really easy, there are a few difficulties. You need to be able to realise you&#39;re in a place where daydreams get a little realer, manage to visualise something AND interact with it - all without thinking about it. I find that thinking "woah, I&#39;m doing/thinking/feeling x" too soon snaps me out of it. Meditation is good practise for this skill, as you&#39;re never judging your thoughts - just letting them occur.

:eek: I can&#39;t even control my thoughts without failing to fall asleep, how am I going to do that? :eek:

hehe

It&#39;s not that bad because you don&#39;t need to actually be practising WILD to do it. I usually don&#39;t induce lucid dreams so if I do this it&#39;s just because I realise I&#39;m at that special mental place where it&#39;s possible. And it&#39;s not that hard once you get to that place :). You don&#39;t have to control your thoughts as much as latch onto whatever pops into your head and interact with it.

I think the point of my last post, however obfuscated, was that if you&#39;re having trouble controlling your thoughts - use that to your advantage. Concentrate on your minds wandering and you&#39;ll arrive at a dream just like a more traditional WILD.

-spoon

But the thing is... If I think conciously about my thoughts, I can&#39;t fall asleep. It isn&#39;t until I unlatch my conciousness that I can continue to have my mind wander. So I can&#39;t concentrate on my mind wandering... otherwise it really isn&#39;t wandering, it&#39;s more like me controlling my thoughts.

And since I&#39;m supposed to keep my mind wandering anyways, it&#39;s like falling into an unconcious sleep, I don&#39;t see what seperates it from the normal sleep.

Hmm... it all made sense in my head&#33; :)

I&#39;ll think about how I do it and see if I can come up with a better explenation. Maybe if you think it less as concentrating on your thoughts as being aware of your minds wanderings? Come to think of it, that took me ages to get my head around...

Guess I should figure out how I do something before I try and explain it eh..

-spoon

Whoa, this is a big ass guide. The sheer size of it poses a problem though :) I bet within a week of this getting stickied newbies will resume posting their WILD questions....

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But the thing is... If I think conciously about my thoughts, I can&#39;t fall asleep. It isn&#39;t until I unlatch my conciousness that I can continue to have my mind wander. So I can&#39;t concentrate on my mind wandering... otherwise it really isn&#39;t wandering, it&#39;s more like me controlling my thoughts.

And since I&#39;m supposed to keep my mind wandering anyways, it&#39;s like falling into an unconcious sleep, I don&#39;t see what seperates it from the normal sleep.
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You may allow your mind to wander while being conscious. To do so allow your mind to freely visualize. It may be subtle at first - check the back of your mind for images or patterns. Focus your attention on it and allow it to change and morph unchecked. You may start this by visualizing some object (I use a big container ship) and letting go. Notice how there are different images and patterns appearing where once was your visualization of the ship. If you "tune in" this free visualization channel you let go of your body, see HI as it will appear (some visualizations will be stable so you will be able to look around them as if they are glued to the back of your eyelids). I used this method to explore near dream states, it is very good once you get a hang of it.
I was able to do this with my roommate playing games on his noisy ass computer....

umm i lay there 4 ages doing wat you said n all and i hear like noises... idk if there like cats out side or its in my head but thay scared the hell out of me n i jump up and wreck it lol i like get worryed caz ive red about people seieng imiges n hearing sounds n im worryed theyl be unplesent so i frighten my self awake sad.. but true.. any ideas?

im really tierd and about 2 go to sleep with that brain wave thing and see what happens so if this dosent make sence im sorry i shouldt type so tierd i guess then lol

Wow, this is a very nice tutorial, or at least it should be. The sheer detail of it helps a lot.
Thanks :goodjob:

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You may allow your mind to wander while being conscious. To do so allow your mind to freely visualize. It may be subtle at first - check the back of your mind for images or patterns. Focus your attention on it and allow it to change and morph unchecked. You may start this by visualizing some object (I use a big container ship) and letting go. Notice how there are different images and patterns appearing where once was your visualization of the ship. If you "tune in" this free visualization channel you let go of your body, see HI as it will appear (some visualizations will be stable so you will be able to look around them as if they are glued to the back of your eyelids). I used this method to explore near dream states, it is very good once you get a hang of it.
I was able to do this with my roommate playing games on his noisy ass computer....
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I usually will imagine a cartoon scene before going to bed, and eventually another thought pops in and my mind wanders. Usually a few times I&#39;ll realize my mind is wandering so I&#39;ll visualize another cartoon scene to get my mind back into wandering mode....

Well, I&#39;ll try what you said, but I still want to see what happens if I don&#39;t let my mind wander (as in focus on something). Maybe.... since I&#39;m falling asleep conciously I can WILD successfully....

Massive Update.

--Just finished a big update for the tutorial, changed the font, color scheme, and other screw ups.

--Also added a whole new WILDing method, I&#39;ve tried to rework the topic post so that I can add even more methods in the future :D



tell me if you like it more or less with the new colors and font :)

it would be helpful if you could also tell me if you see anything that makes it hard to understand (I rearranged it and added a bunch of new material... I wouldn&#39;t doubt that there&#39;s some weirdly placed sentences in there that I missed ;)

Anyway I still have a hard copy of how it was, so tell me if its better or worse than before

PS. I just read some of the posts before this one, can we please keep this thread clean of talking about methods other than the ones discussed in the topic post? It&#39;s gonna get pretty messy in here if everyone starts trying to teach people how they personally WILD. (make a separate topic for that)
I don&#39;t mean to be an ass or anything, I just don&#39;t want this topic cluttered :(

OK, I tried the breathing method just like you said. A few really weird things happened. First, I felt an itch and a point of pressure near my nose, it was like someone had pressed their fingertip against it. Second, I felt an itch and tingle in my ear that went back and forth that just wouldn&#39;t go away. It felt like a bug in my ear. The weirdest thing was that that parts of my body seemed to move even though they really didn&#39;t go anywhere. Like my left leg was slanted upwards and my right one was slanted downward so one foot was two feet higher than the other one. Also, the right one was turned to the side. My left arm was completely sideways and the hand shoud&#39;ve been off the bed from where it felt like it was. My right arm was in an impossible position right below me. My body was curved and my neck tilted to the side. I didn&#39;t feel it actuallly happen, every so often I noticed it got a little weirder. This has to be SP. It&#39;s hard to describe, it&#39;s like the parts of the bed that I could feel somehow got scrambled.

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OK, I tried the breathing method just like you said. A few really weird things happened. First, I felt an itch and a point of pressure near my nose, it was like someone had pressed their fingertip against it. Second, I felt an itch and tingle in my ear that went back and forth that just wouldn&#39;t go away. It felt like a bug in my ear. The weirdest thing was that that parts of my body seemed to move even though they really didn&#39;t go anywhere. Like my left leg was slanted upwards and my right one was slanted downward so one foot was two feet higher than the other one. Also, the right one was turned to the side. My left arm was completely sideways and the hand shouldve been off the bed from where it felt like it was. My right arm was in an impossible position right below me. My body was curved and my neck tilted to the side. I didn&#39;t feel it actually happen, every so often I noticed it got a little weirder. This has to be SP. It&#39;s hard to describe, it&#39;s like the parts of the bed that I could feel somehow got scrambled.
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Yeah some crazy sensations can happen when doing WILD, The weirdest one for me was when my left arm was coming out of my head, and at the same time I didnt have any legs :shock:

People always talk about "ooooh, I saw floating balls of light&#33;" but yet you hardly ever hear anything about the crazy sensations you can get :P

Wow. I&#39;ve never had anything that drastic happen, but I have had a few times where my arms felt like they merged with my torso.

I&#39;ve been having a few small problems of my own...

1.) While I&#39;m lying there counting, my legs or arms will twitch and completely screw me up. You said if you moved then you we&#39;re pretty much screwed for that night, would involuntary movements count? =S

2.) With both techniques, so far, by the time I&#39;ve counted to 60-65 this small pinpoint of pressure comes up on my right side, about the middle of my ribs. Now, if it stayed like that, I&#39;d be fine, but around 70 it becomes the insanely annoying tickle/itch UNDER my skin right in that area...I don&#39;t think it&#39;s humanly possible to ignore how that feels.

There&#39;s one thing I dont get about WILDing...

when I tried it the other day (and when it lead to my first LD) I just did so, because I woke up for a few seconds (blanket being pulled away by wife) and figured it might work.

I never got up, did not drink anything a.s.o. and it worked perfectly alright. I had been asleep for five hours though (saw that after I woke up from the LD). BTW I did not see things (not the visual kind of guy, maybe), but I had this feeling of falling backwards through my mattress into my dream bed and bam...

so, when I know that it actually worked without getting up, why should I?
I mean, what is it important for and is there a slight chance that it might work on anyone without getting up and staying awake for an hour or so?

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There&#39;s one thing I dont get about WILDing...

when I tried it the other day (and when it lead to my first LD) I just did so, because I woke up for a few seconds (blanket being pulled away by wife) and figured it might work.

I never got up, did not drink anything a.s.o. and it worked perfectly alright. I had been asleep for five hours though (saw that after I woke up from the LD). BTW I did not see things (not the visual kind of guy, maybe), but I had this feeling of falling backwards through my mattress into my dream bed and bam...

so, when I know that it actually worked without getting up, why should I?
I mean, what is it important for and is there a slight chance that it might work on anyone without getting up and staying awake for an hour or so?
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Everyones different, some people need an hour, while others need only a few seconds (of wakefulness)

I recommend you just wake for a few seconds (don&#39;t get up or anything) and do whatever technique
If that doesnt work for you, stay up longer (it may have been that you woke into SP, which would make WILDing 1000x easier)

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I&#39;ve been having a few small problems of my own...

1.) While I&#39;m lying there counting, my legs or arms will twitch and completely screw me up. You said if you moved then you we&#39;re pretty much screwed for that night, would involuntary movements count? =S

2.) With both techniques, so far, by the time I&#39;ve counted to 60-65 this small pinpoint of pressure comes up on my right side, about the middle of my ribs. Now, if it stayed like that, I&#39;d be fine, but around 70 it becomes the insanely annoying tickle/itch UNDER my skin right in that area...I don&#39;t think it&#39;s humanly possible to ignore how that feels.
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Just quit noticing it, I know your thinking "OMFG&#33; HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUTZORS&#33;&#33;1&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;11" but I really do :P

When you start to feel it focus harder on your breathing and try to ignore it at all costs. totally quit thinking about it, when it starts to itch more don&#39;t let it have your attention, start yelling in your head "BREATH IN&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; BREATH OUT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;" eventually it&#39;ll go away and not come back :)

Bump&#33; I got great success with this method last night and I want to share it.

I thought my update killed this topic :(
glad to see it didnt though :D

Which technique did you use?

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I thought my update killed this topic :(
glad to see it didnt though :D

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Oh sorry. This is a late reply, but I used the second. I have good HI so this was a very good tech for me. TY

yo, updated this mother yet again. tell me what you think.

(added another "method")

Thanks for this BillyBob :)

This is an amazing tutorial =)
im gonna try it tonight
quick question, I dont ever experince HI
does this mean I can&#39;t WILD?
Imran

As long as you have dreams you can WILD, so basically go from a waking state into a dream state. I guess you just won&#39;t use "HI techniques" and get a wild another way.

I tried the breathing method last night as I went to bed. Around 35, the areas of my body that weren&#39;t touching the pillow or bed started aching really, really badly. I ignored it, concentrating on the counting, and the breathing, and was able to get over it. It stopped around 65. Around 150 breaths, I had this weird sensation. It felt like my body, and seemingly everything else was spiraling around in a circle really fast. It felt good. :content: It slowly faded away, though. Finally, around 400 breaths, I started aching again, but this time it was much worse than before. I gave in and moved, ruining everything.

I&#39;m still happy with my results considering it was my first go. Plus, by rereading this thread, I realized that I&#39;m ment to do this after waking myself up in the middle of the night. So I&#39;ll try it again tonight.

Wow...


IT FINALLY MADE TUTORIAL&#33;&#33;&#33;

:breakitdown: WOOOO&#33;&#33; :breakitdown:

Thanks seeker/ person that knows who they are

BillyBob101&#39;s WILD Method Experience:

I went to bed @ 9:30PM, and awoke at exactly 2:00AM. I thought it&#39;d be a great time to try the newly discovered method for WILD. After awakening my mind for 5-10 minutes, I went back to bed and got myself comfortable. I was lying on my back with my arms at my sides as I started to count my breaths. With each inhalation, I counted up one more number. With each exhalation, I said to myself, "I&#39;m dreaming." I also tried visualizing the number I was on, and the words: I&#39;m dreaming.

After around 250 repetitions, I experienced sleep paralysis. My body&#39;s method to paralyze my body was not harsh at all, the feelings of my body just seemed to intensify tenfold. I felt everything being intensified, and noticed that I also felt extremely heavy. It was quite a fun ride, indeed. I kept my eyes closed, and kept counting... I knew that I&#39;d soon be in a lucid-dream. I made my way all the way up to seven or eight-hundred repetitions, and started seeing increasingly vivid colors.

I thought that I was for sure ready to "open my dream eyes" and walk around in the dream-world. So, I opened my eyes, but it turned out that I opened my real eyes. :(

I shook my body out of sleep paralysis and felt refreshed like I would if I&#39;d gotten a normal night of sleep.

I have a few questions for anyone who&#39;s experienced with WILD, so that maybe I can progress a little further next time:

1. Will I be able to control my breathing even in sleep paralysis? I thought, at least, that I was controlling my breath last night.

2. Will my external senses be dulled or suppressed gradually during the WILD process? For example, when I was around 500 counts, I still noticed my brother turning and tossing in his bed.

3. Will I have to force my "dream eyes" to open when I want to enter the dream-world, or will I just find myself in the dream?

4. How far did I make it?&#33;


Thanks for this tutorial BillyBob-- it&#39;s the farthest I&#39;ve ever made it with WILD.

Had another interesting experience:

I got a little further last night with this WILD technique:

I went to bed at 11:30PM, and awoke at 4:45AM to start my WILD. I went to the bathroom and walked around a bit just to awaken my mind a bit. Then, I went back to bed and started counting breaths as I had in my last attempt.

Luckily, SP had hit way quicker than it had before; it only took 140 counts to reach SP this time&#33;

I thought that this time, for sure, I&#39;d make it into a lucid-dream state. I kept counting inhalations, and my SP deepened and deepened until I could hardly feel where my limbs even were.

Eventually, I made it all the way to 865 counts, and I realized that I felt a gentle, soft pressure on the left side of my face. It was like there was a soft pillar leaning against the left-side of my face.

Also, I experienced something I hadn&#39;t before: my eyes were struggling to stay closed... they kept blinking to try to stay closed. I thought that this was the call to open my &#39;dream eyes&#39;, so I opened my eyes only to realize that I was back in the waking state.

Ugh, it was 6:00AM&#33;

What happened?

I think maybe your problem is that your still counting your breaths after you enter SP.

You should try just hearing your breath once you reach sleep paralysis (ie. stop saying "breathe in, one,- breathe out" etc.. and just focus on hearing the slight rasping noise your breathe makes when you breathe in and out.)
While doing this you may find it beneficial to feel your breaths enter and exit your inner throat.


Hope you get it tonight/ next time&#33; :)

Ahh, didn&#39;t remember that part of the tutorial&#33;

Thanks a lot BillyBob, look forward to sharing my next night&#39;s experiences with you. :)