Thread: The Guide To End All Guides -{wild}- Discussion

Very nice... I say this should be a tutorial...

So you say you wanted some more questions about it...

One thing is, how do you focus yourself so you stay concious for so long? I often go unconcious too fast and its hard to prevent.

and another thing is... well, I rarely feel itches, this isn't that big of a problem for me, but my body gets so uncomfortable and I really want to move it. I just think "nothing is happening, I'm really uncomfortable and I want to move." What is the best way to handle this?

Also, I'm kinda worried that I'm either gonna be so tired I'll go back to sleep too fast and won't be able to stay concious or it will end up like taking an hour or two and I won't be able to handle it... how tired should I be when going back?

[First two posts have been split into the tutorial section. This topic remains for discussion of the tutorial. - Seeker]

do you think it is better to do this in the afternoon during a nap or at night.
Usually when I try in the afternoon I get almost to the point of being in a dream but then I get to excited and wake up. At night I usually just fall back asleep even after staying up for about 30 min.

Originally posted by Borshkevski
do you think it is better to do this in the afternoon during a nap or at night.
Usually when I try in the afternoon I get almost to the point of being in a dream but then I get to excited and wake up. At night I usually just fall back asleep even after staying up for about 30 min.

im pretty sure i answered that in the post, but anyway, you should WILD at night for best results, if you stay up for 30 mins and still fall unconcious then stay up for an hour next time, if you still cant do it after an hour then next time drink some cola right after you wake up after 5-7 hrs of sleep then stay up for 1hr and 10 mins, if all else fails then keep upping the caffiene intake until youdont fall asleep super fast (I highly doubt that all else will fail though)

TUTORIAL!! w00t!!

I have one question about this tutorial.

Eventually you will either suddenly find yourself in a dream, or you will feel a wave of energy go through your body (not like the one people talk about being related to WILD but another kind, it only goes through your body one time and it feels as though someone just shot adrenaline through your veins and its spreading throughout your system.[/b]

What happens after the pulse. i think I have felt it before. It started at my spine then spread through my body then it was gone. After three min. it happened again. i don't know what it is. If there is something i have to do after that, please tell. 8)

I realise that most of these WILD techniques are nearly identical, however this is the one I used last night with great success.

1) I try to have had a steady sleep schedule for the past couple of days (i.e. going to be at 8 PM for the past 3 days and getting up at 6AM [/b]

I have no sleep schedule, and seldom ever do.

2) Now that iv had a steady schedule ill go to sleep at 8 PM (I find this is my best time to go to bed before WILDing) and get up at 3 AM (also my best time, these can be changed for different people though) [/b]

Went to bed at roughly 10:30, and fell asleep around 11:30- I did some short conscious exercises for fifteen to thirty minutes, as I found myself unable to sleep after a period of time.

4) Wake up at 3AM (this is changeable for everyone, just remember you MUST sleep for 5-7 hrs or else its very hard to WILD, and you should be able to have another at least 2 hrs of darkness outside when you wake up after your 5-7 hrs) at this time I usually feel outright like a pile of shit, my body aches, my head hurts, I get nausea from getting up so early, all I can think of is why I should even care to WILD, just remember that there must be a damn good reason since you DID set your alarm to wake up that early. The mild nausea and headaches go away pretty quick though so no worries. Now’s the time that I usually grab a cola from the fridge and take 2-3 gulps, no more and usually no less (this will change for everyone, I don’t always do this, it according to how sleepy my mind feels; another thing you have to keep in mind is that caffeine take about 1 hr to take full effect so it wont help you too much if your only staying up for 5-30 mins) now I do a number of different things, but iv found that what works best is sexual arousal, yes that sounds strange but its true, it wakes up the mind extremely fast while the body does nothing, you can also read or do math problems in your head. Do this for as long as you had decided to stay up. [/b]

Got up at 4am, reset the alarm, and drank some coke- then preceeded to go back to bed. It took a very long time, a long and dare I say ucomfortable- a really nasty feeling accompanied the WILD.

Entered the dreamstate sometime after 4:30am, at first was mildy hazy, and then I did some spinning and some hand rubbing- I just let myself flow with the dream. Excellent experience, despite laying back down and forgetting the details... sucks.

I haven't read it yet, but looks like it's good for a tutorial.
I'm the new education team leader, but to be honest I'm not sure how this works - do I move this to the tutorial section or do you post one there yourself ?
I'll read it and find out first, when I get a gap

Good to see this technique has already worked for someone

and placebo, I dont want it moved into the tutorial section yet, i need to add more info to it so it will be the complete guide to WILDing and so it answers all questions etc..

If anyone that has read it noticed that i left out a common noob question (or if your a noob and you have any questions that i didnt answer in the post) please post them so i can add to the final copy

hmm, so wierd I did the same thing, I had been pmd several times about how I wild so I wrote a kind of tutorial for reference. Nice stuff billybob . I also think that instead of being moved to the tutorial section, why not make it a sticky? on this section or the newbie section, I've noticed a lot of people sign in on the forum and start asking to many questions about wild, making it a sticky could probably work for answering all questions there and as new people come they can read back instead of posting a new thread.

I'm just bumping this since I personally feel it would benefit many a noob (and I put alot of thought into it)
and also because you didn\'t put it into the tutorials </jk>

I also updated it a bit.
so yep, if you have any questions about it either post here or PM me

(hope I'm not breaking some rule I haven't read here, but I really think this could be beneficial to the new noobs)

Sweet guide

I've got the same question as Spoof up there. What happens after the energy wave? I felt it before, 2 or three times one night.

Eventually you will either suddenly find yourself in a dream, or you will feel a wave of energy go through your body (not like the one people talk about being related to WILD but another kind, it only goes through your body one time and it feels as though someone just shot adrenaline through your veins and its spreading throughout your system.[/b]

well there's two types of waves:
one isn't really a wave but can be called one, your laying there and suddenly you feel an intense shaking all over your body then it goes away --this one's called vibrations and is normal to WILDing (its related to SP)

the one I was talking about is different, you feel a sensation traveling from your toes to the top of your skull like your being scanned by some sci-fi thing, usually directly after it happens I feel totally alert and "different" somehow, often I just get up, I feel I cant WILD anymore so I open my eyes and do a reality check. (that or I don't open my eyes at all, I just envision a beach around me and stimulate sea-gull noises and the wind etc. then I open my eyes and find myself at a beach (rather than having to start in my room all the time )

did that answer your question?
if not tell me and I'll try and go more in-depth

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PS. updated main post to make it much more readable in some parts

Oooh, thats interesting.

Yes, Ive experienced the second type of wave. I didnt know what to do about it; I just felt it and waited for something to happen. Time passed and I found myself awake, in the morning u.u

If it ever happens again, Ill try imagining some scenery. Or just leave WILDing for another night.

Thanks!

i'd like to WILD but normally when i get to stage where i feel like my body's goin numb . i kinda get stuck there for like hours, waiting for the streaks of colours and the vibrations so yeh how do you fix that?

Very nice guide, but could you go a little more into detail about the part where you actually transition into the dream, after the "wave". Do you just open your eyes and do a RC?

Originally posted by Generic Protoplasm
Very nice guide, but could you go a little more into detail about the part where you actually transition into the dream, after the "wave". *Do you just open your eyes and do a RC?

Its really hard to explain but you just seemingly magically "know" that you've entered a dream. the wave usually comes right before that. and sometimes nothing at all, you just automatically open your eyes only to find your sleepmask is gone (by automatically I mean their just suddenly open, that's usually how you know your in an LD)

but yeah, occasionally you just have to risk all and do a RC, but you have to remember that doing so will kill any chances of you completing the WILD if your still awake

but lets not forget about the other ways people enter through WILDs:

~speeding through a tunnel with the wind ripping at their clothes

~ falling through their beds and landing on their dream beds

~ appearing at some random location (such as a tiki party) with a martini in their hand

~ standing in their room

there's all kinds of ways to enter an LD, that was just how I usually do it

extensively updated topic post AGAIN and adding more about entering the LD

PS. mods please check out the second post of the topic

[quote]PS. mods please check out the second post of the topic [/color]

You should PM Seeker about getting your thread stickied (or moved to the tutorial section) - he'd be the decision-maker in that department.

Excellent work, BillyBob - you've really helped out a lot of members here and we appreciate all your effort and knowledge.

WOW! Last night I tried this technique. I went to bed at 11 pm and woke up at 5 am. I started the "1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming" on the rhythm of my breath, and when I got to about 50, I started to feel the vibrations (for the first time ever ). Also, some kind of tingling sensation started. After a while, the vibrations got stronger, and they kind of moved there way up to my head. My pulse started to rise, and my breating got faster (reaaaally strange feeling). But then... the sensation faded away And I kept on counting and breathing, and my body was feeling numb... But at about 150, I thought that I was never gonna fall into a dream, and since I had to go up for school the next day (which is today), I kind of turned around and went to sleep.

So, O mighty BillyBob , what is your advice for tonight? What should I do? Just count longer, or is it the wrong time?

O by the way, at about 110, it seemed like my feet were sinking into the bed, but at 115 it stopped again.

What to do

Hey BillyBob,

Excellent WILD thread – very complete. I just wanted to add a thought or two.

As you have said, it is crucial to be able to get into a very relaxed state as you count yourself to sleep (after WBTB). The mind tends to wander off in various directions: thoughts pop up, annoying tunes start to play, and daytime worries interfere with the calm state of mind we're trying to achieve. All this is distracting, and makes WILDing harder.

I find that what I have eaten for dinner has quite an influence on how deeply calm I want to be: sugar will tend to make my mind more agitated, and it will therefore be much harder to very calmly focus on the “one, I'm dreaming”, etc. (even if I'm doing this counting seven, eight or more hours after my evening meal). So I try to avoid candy / chocolate / sodas & colas / biscuits, etc. I find that simple food like lentils with green vegetables and herbal tea will allow me to be calmer, and therefore WILD better! (I also try to maximise food containing vitamin B6). Oh, and overeating isn't much good, either!

For anybody who might be interested, I wrote an extensive account of getting into a WILD I had a couple of months ago, in my dream journal. It's the last entry, at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23874

I hope that the above is helpful!

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the sensation faded away And I kept on counting and breathing, and my body was feeling numb... But at about 150, I thought that I was never gonna fall into a dream, and since I had to go up for school the next day (which is today), I kind of turned around and went to sleep.

So, O mighty BillyBob , what is your advice for tonight? What should I do? Just count longer, or is it the wrong time?[/b]

Did you do a reality check before going back to sleep? sometimes the transitions a sneaky mo-fo and it happens without any side affects whatsoever

also you should have 2-3 hrs of the night your ready to sacrifice on WILD, so once you start WILDing never stop until you either pass out, get into a dream, or your alarm clock goes off

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Hey BillyBob,

Excellent WILD thread – very complete. I just wanted to add a thought or two.

As you have said, it is crucial to be able to get into a very relaxed state as you count yourself to sleep (after WBTB). The mind tends to wander off in various directions: thoughts pop up, annoying tunes start to play, and daytime worries interfere with the calm state of mind we're trying to achieve. All this is distracting, and makes WILDing harder.

I find that what I have eaten for dinner has quite an influence on how deeply calm I want to be: sugar will tend to make my mind more agitated, and it will therefore be much harder to very calmly focus on the “one, I'm dreaming”, etc. (even if I'm doing this counting seven, eight or more hours after my evening meal). So I try to avoid candy / chocolate / sodas & colas / biscuits, etc. I find that simple food like lentils with green vegetables and herbal tea will allow me to be calmer, and therefore WILD better! (I also try to maximise food containing vitamin B6). Oh, and overeating isn't much good, either!

For anybody who might be interested, I wrote an extensive account of getting into a WILD I had a couple of months ago, in my dream journal. It's the last entry, at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23874

I hope that the above is helpful!

at one point I was WILDing successfully on a nightly basis (quit because it took so much out of me getting up for 2 hrs a night) and I found the only thing that mattered about what i ate the night before was whether it would give me indigestion or not, (that can REALLY mess up your WILD)

and yes, I did actually do tests to see whether what I ate was affecting my WILDs and you just read the result (keep in mind that I've been doing this for over a year now , I've explored many avenues of what might affect it)

anyway obviously my experiences have been personal (I've only been able to tests things out on myself) but I have read many other WILDers posts on here and I've never heard of the night before's meal affecting their conscious state when WILDing (other than the indigestion I mentioned earlier) What I have found to affect consciousness however, is when one goes to sleep and gets up in the mornings, (thus the reason why I told everyone in the tutorial to have a steady schedule)
Are you sure it wasn't just your sleep times that may have effected it?

actually read this before it was a tutorial - helped with my first wild. I usually get the intense pulse/waves in 2-3 cycles the first cycle , usually is when i have to get over the fear of whats happening and if I get past that stage the next one or two are more intense and out of my control before i am in my ld.

anyway good tutorial should do wonders for noob's if they follow the steps.

i have a little broblem,ok i fell asleep at 21,and woke up at 23,should i wake up 6 hours later or resume my previus dream period

Originally posted by Nikolaa
I have a little problem, ok i fell asleep at 21,and woke up at 23,should i wake up 6 hours later or resume my previous dream period

(I'm guessing you were using military time and that you said you slept for 2 hrs before re-awakening):
The reason its extremely helpful to sleep at least 5 1/2 hrs before you WILD is because of your REM periods, the longer you sleep, the more frequent your REM periods are, and the more vivid and long are the dreams that they produce. If you sleep in excess of 5 hrs before WILDing you greatly increase your chances of being able to get SP to lead to REM (thus leading to a dream)

so if your question was:
"Do I need to sleep longer if I wake up 3 hrs after falling asleep before I do a WILD" then yes, you should go back to sleep until its been 6 hrs since you closed your eyes the night before (so in other words, getting up to use the bathroom or something wont affect your REM)

If that didn't answer your question tell me and I'll try again

This seems like a mighty fine tutorial! I shall try it tonight... I like this one.. All the other WILD threads were hard to understand...

Wowee! I wish I'd found this back when I was having major trouble with WILDs! Hehe, I'm gonna have to try this all tonight! (I just got back to my regular sleep pattern this week )