dreaming in first few minutes of sleep

[smoke_1966]

Twice now ive gone to bed and fallen into a dream immediately is this wilding? Last night same thing went to bed at 9:50 dreamt i was walking down stairs(reoccuring)and became lucid (2nd time ever,since january)stayed calm but heard someone coming down behind me went ito a closet and woke up very dissapointed ,lousy decision ,but anyway looked at clock and it was a few minutes past ten ...wild again? or what ? anyway any replies always appreciated . im going to bed with great expectations ...again. happy dreams to all Smoke

[DreamGuy88]

I have wondered why all people shouldn't be able to do this. Why is it that we normally have to wait hours before we get into the bigger REM stages? I went asking about this in the LD4All chatroom and one of the guys there basically just told me I was stupid and made it sound like I obviously didn't know what I was talking about -.- So why is it that someone can nap in the middle of the day, or even later on, and be able to dream so quickly? The guy there was trying to tell me that it was because you are better rested, but I happen to have had experiences where that isn't true. For example...at my gf's house on Friday/Saturday nights, 9-10ish (a good 13+ hours after she has been awake), and she falls asleep for a good 20-30 minutes. I can tell she is dreaming by watching her, and when she wakes up I ask what she was dreaming about and she can remember almost perfectly. What's the difference between her taking a nap at 9ish and going to sleep for the night an hour or two later? It doesn't make any sense to me.

[TygrHawk]

Maybe this will help explain it. Some interesting bits: a normal sleep cycle has this pattern: waking, stage 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, REM. Usually, REM sleep occurs 90 minutes after sleep onset.[/b] Each subsequent cycle lasts longer, as its respective REM stage extends.[/b] polysomnograms show wave patterns in REM to be similar to Stage 1 sleep.[/b] I don't think anyone claims -- well, I don't anyway -- that you can't dream when you first go to sleep, only that it's more common to have your longer, more vivid dreams after you've slept a few cycles. And the usual caveat: everyone is different.

[wombing]

yeah, i was wondering about this a couple days ago as well...thanks tygerhawk for pointing out the similarities between stage 1 and REM sleep.. personally, i find it much easier to WILD if i've been asleep 5 or 6 hours, and have never WILDed without sleeping previously. i was wondering abou this because LaBerge was talking about WILDs, and said most of his occur during naps... i think those who 'astral project' are those who can WILD basically at will...it would certainly be interesting to learn how to do so...

[Umbrella]

I could be wrong about this, but isn't the reason for that the fact that naps last much shorter than normal sleep, and as such goes through the different sleep cycles faster? That is to say, during naps you'll usually reach REM-sleep after a shorter amount of time and therefore, it's easier to WILD.