Thread: Does everyone see hypnagogic imagery?

Actually I've never experienced hynagogic imagery at all. I just get the sensations mostly.

i have only tried WILD a few times, but the first time, i started to see many different lights. and i started to fall asleep, so i tried to do some math, and the first thing that came to mind was 2+2=4 (the numbers were above eachother though). then the four and = sign disappeared, and the top 2 got very bright, and that's when i fell asleep. although i am not sure if that would be considered hypnagogic imagery.

What sensations is that? I felt and heard stuff the first time I tried, but since then I have never heard, felt or seen anything. Unless you count your body getting kind of numb from not moving, which I don't think has anything to do with falling asleep.

That's an interesting question.

Of all my experiences, only 2 times I saw what most LD induction books refer as HI ( an image directly behind your eyelids). Once I saw something made of grey light and another time I saw a firework.

Most of the time, my "personal" HI is located behind my eyeballs. It's hard to describe. Like your normal vision and your imagination merges.
If I focus, I just see images/people/events and cant control it.

If I try, I can switch view and see sparks of light and purple blobs behind my eyeballs (However it never merges in some kind of a picture). Or I can switch to imagination only and then I can control it, but it takes effort to maintain picture.

My golden rule is - once you merge your imagination and sight, maintain neutral attitude and just watch. (main thing - dont question anything you see)...

I tried to make images appear with my imagination before but I can't get anything to stay. Some times I can get really small stuff to show up but then it like moves around and stuff then its hard to see and disappears, and never any color.

My HI begins with the blobs of light. Sometimes grey, sometimes a very bright vivid purple. After a few minutes, it developed into little 1 second sequences of dreams.

I never get any of the sensations until I begin to see the image seqeunces.

Mmm, interesting. Maybe I WILDed sunday morning by accident. I focused on an intent to become lucid and as I was doing this saw a very short clip of two teddy bears fighting eachother. One said to the other: 'You search my dibble you blooming biscuit'. I got up and wrote it down straight away (I dont have a bedside table, I have to walk over to the other side of the room)

I see absolutely no Hypa Imagery whatsoever. I am treated to an excellent shade of black however, which would be ultimately useless for myself unless somebody asked me to paint their room that color.

I can seem to always get hynagogic images. But they don't often lead to A lucid dream. I read that if you try not to alter the images you can kind of walk your way into the seen once it gets vivid enough. I have only achieved Lucid dreaming this way twice. Most of the time I fall asleep first.
But a lot of my creative Ideas have come from this stage so I am not complaining. I think hynogogic imagery is in itself under rated. Everyone is too concerned about achieving lucidity. Which of coarse is fine.

I think everyone is pretty much different, when it comes to variations of wilds..

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That sensation I feel is a rush of energy. Almost like Im being transported through some kind of void. But I can control it like Im flying through it and There's all this energy and Buzzing noises. I never see imagery, I think if I did see any imagery at all then I wouldn't be convinced that Im Wilding at that point. Its more that your already in your dreamworld.

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Unless you count your body getting kind of numb from not moving, which I don't think has anything to do with falling asleep.

Please tell me you didn't say this Arlic? Tsk.. Tsk...Tsk.. You gotta be kidding me right? This Numb state you are referring to has everything to do with falling asleep its called sleep paralysis.. Everyone goes through it when they fall asleep, but the thing is, is that everyone doesn't become alert to experience it.

Originally posted by ShawdowNightWing
That sensation I feel is a rush of energy. Almost like Im being transported through some kind of void. But I can control it like Im flying through it and There's all this energy and Buzzing noises. I never see imagery, I think if I did see any imagery at all then I wouldn't be convinced that Im Wilding at that point. Its more that your already in your dreamworld.

It is almost as if you don't even go through the imagery part of it. You go right into the dream realm. How is that possible.
Do these feelings proceed the mild tecniques. Maybe that is where the difference lies. When I am in the stage of relaxing, thats when I begin to get images but I am not to the point of repeating any phrases yet.

Originally posted by Howetzer
It is almost as if you don't even go through the imagery part of it. You go right into the dream realm. How is that possible.

Im not too sure why, But I've been doing it as a child before I even knew that it was called WILD. I just never seen any imagery at all. Probably because the way I induce it. I induce Wilds the same as OBE's. via sleep paraylsis. The only difference is, is that if I do not Float out of my Physical then Im definately going into dreamland. Its a matter of timing it for me. I don't have much time to initiate an OBE from the paralysis state, If I don't catch it then Im spending the next few seconds reminding myself that Im going to be Lucid upon entering my dream setting. And I repeat that over and over again in my mind until Im able to move my body again which gives me indication that Im in that dream. All of my WILDS start from where ever I started sleeping. IF I initiate WILDS from falling asleep on my couch then thats where my Lucid Dream starts. Guess thats why its pretty hard for me to have false awakenings. haha

Oh and the MILDs are easy, Just before I close my eyes I just take a mental snapshot of the way I want a dream. And Im so used to going in Lucid that this way I don't have to remind myself before I fall asleep or while Im laying in bed. What I hate the most is that My Milds doesn't give me what I get from my WILDS. Im Limited in Milds pretty much the exact same way as me becoming Lucid while Im dreaming. But My WILD's are soooo Powerful, thats why I try WILDs more often. But for me its like waiting for a Train to catch. Im trying to catch Sleep paralysis and sometimes I miss the train per say.

Hey. Who cares why. That is awesome. You are blessed to have the ability with such ease. :bravo:
I had a dream where I woke up in my bed to go to the bath room everything was absolutley par until I opoended the door and the president was standing there. BOOM holy crap! To suddenly realize your in a Lucid dream that ubruptly. That was cool.

Thats cool. But Im not so fortunate all the time. Sometimes if I don't go into the dream Pre-Lucid and I have to catch it while Im in that dream (which by the way is the hardest thing and if anyone says its easy is lying) Some of the most profound things could pop out in my face to give me indications that Im dreaming and I would never catch it and I wake up feeling like a total idiot Thanks bro!

I dont think its sleep paralysis because I can move fine. I think its might just be all the blood pooling in your arms and legs for not moving for an hour straight heh.

I really do envy your abilities shadow, you are truly gifted...

I don't really see the HI either, if I just lay there doing nothing. I have to start making up scenes and places consciously, and after a while they kind of keep going on by themselves and I am just a spectator. When this happens and I go along with it I get sleep paralisis, which is the state that makes me loose my concentration most of the times...

I see hypnogogic imagery when I close my eyes normally. You know, the wierd lava lamp-like purples, reds, and blacks that someone previously described.

But if I get deep enough into relaxation and meditation, my astral sight comes very quickly.

Astral Sight is pretty damn cool too. Everything that's usually yellow or white light is blue. Crazy shizzit.

You see it normally? I know if I could just see it, I could lucid dream easily. I normally just lay there for an hour though then I have to move. If there was something to look I wouldn't get bored so fast and give up. Plus I hear it helps you fall asleep so might not take me so long.

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I dont think its sleep paralysis because I can move fine. I think its might just be all the blood pooling in your arms and legs for not moving for an hour straight heh.[/b]

Actually if you can move fine then its not sleep paralysis. If you ever experience it believe me you will know about it. Sleep paralysis occurs with every single human being once they are sleep this process of the body shutting down is a must so that the dreamer doesn't act out his/her dreams in the real.

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I don't really see the HI either, if I just lay there doing nothing. I have to start making up scenes and places consciously, and after a while they kind of keep going on by themselves and I am just a spectator. When this happens and I go along with it I get sleep paralisis, which is the state that makes me loose my concentration most of the times...

Yeah you and I have quite a bit in common. I appreciate your statement but theres nothing to envy unless you envy yourself as well you're just like me truth. But I can kinda sense that about you. Only the great ones can achieve these kinds of results and that you are buddy.

Thank you very much for the compliment shadow, but I don't really think I am quite there... yet

Hopefully someday I will, but as of now I am kind of in a dry spot (1 or 2 a week), so who knows if it is a permanent thing or if it is temporary, and I will go back to what I once was able to do (4 or 5 per week, so pretty much everytime I tried after 6 hours sleep)...

Anyway, I hope that with a bunch of practice in various areas, such as lenght, control,etc, I will get half as good as you are...

fuck you and all your dry spells dammit, I've only had 2 >.<

1 or 2 a week... poor you.

(j/k )


Anyway I always see HI when I want to... sometimes I dont but then i'm not concentrating on trying to achieve lucidity, but usually I can almost summon it on command... There's strange yellowish green blobs and purple whitish ones, sometimes a bit of grey, all on a background best described as static on a tv but then in shades of black/red.

I believe that a persons personality could aid in some instances. For example: I, in waking life tend to question almost everything. almost to the point of compulsive. However when i was introduced to Lucid dreaming the way I obtain Lucidity is by questioning wierd things that are going on in my dream. Because it is somthing I do on a consistant basis in real life.So most of my Ld's are achieved by "catching it while I'm dreaming".

Originally posted by ShawdowNightWing
Thats cool. But Im not so fortunate all the time. Sometimes if I don't go into the dream Pre-Lucid and I have to catch it while Im in that dream (which by the way is the hardest thing and if anyone says its easy is lying) Some of the most profound things could pop out in my face to give me indications that Im dreaming and I would never catch it and I wake up feeling like a total idiot *Thanks bro!

Originally posted by Howetzer
I believe that a persons personality could aid in some instances. For example: I, in waking life tend to question almost everything. almost to the point of compulsive. However when i was introduced to Lucid dreaming the way I obtain Lucidity is by questioning wierd things that are going on in my dream. Because it is somthing I do on a consistant basis in real life.So most of my Ld's are achieved by \"catching it while I'm dreaming\".

Hey How thats great man I never really thought of that.. Thats is such a great idea for new comers also... who hasn't acheived Lucidity yet. I've always believed that if you make a habit out of something in your everyday world then it will utimately play out in your dreams. And I believe that is the number one Key toward attaining Lucidity.. Great information Howetzer.

Although not as compulsive as you probably howetzer, if something weird happens I also always question reality and do a RC... Its sort of the point of doing RC's, right?