Wild Help

[Xei]

The night before last, I decided to try WILD again. This was at midnight, without any sleep prior to the attempt. I used my usual technique to stop me drifting, which is counting '1 Lucid, 2 Lucid' up to 10, and then back again. I made sure I didn't drift off and start thinking about anything; I just kept focusing on the vague lights you get at the start of WILD. This seemed to be working quite well. I started getting HI, and some kind of scenario started to emerge; brief glimpses of myself, walking through a village. These got clearer, until after about 20 minutes of my WILD attempt there came a sudden striking image: it looked like a view across a valley. Immediately after this, though, I became heavily aware of my body again, and started to experience an odd sensation; you'll probably know how difficult it is to put these things into words, but it was a bit like the darkness under my eyelids becoming a vast space. I think I recognised this as being the beginning of the transition phase, but nothing came of it in the end, and this feeling faded after 10 seconds or so. I think I could've gotten a bit too excited. What I need to know is if this is a step in the right direction. It seems like my HI was getting pretty realistic, but this transition phase put an end to that. I'm kinda confused about this part of the WILD; is the transition phase necessary? And does HI continue during the transition phase..? Because from what I've heard, it seems to be more of a physical sensation. And what comes after the transition phase; do you suddenly find yourself in a dream? What use is the HI after this point; are you meant to use it to enter a dream, or would that be VILD? Many thanks for reading this far; all help is greatly appreciated.

[Ev]

It is widely accepted that you cannot do WILD without prior sleep. Or at least it is ridiculously hard. This transition is seemless and has no WILD symptoms. One moment you are in your bed, next moment you are in some dream location with the background story of how you got there. I was able to notice that after taking a lot of alertness and memory supplemens before an exam (pepsi +gingko biloba + DMAE + vitamins + something else), then coming back from class and going to sleep. The dreamscape would change several times seemlessly, and only attention drugs allowed me to catch this change. I've had many experiences with the near dream states, like the one you describe. They are not true dreams though, just visions, short scenarios, etc. They are pretty entertaining, especially when the image is stable enough so you may move your eyes and look at different parts of the picture. What you describe is not the transition phase. The real transition is very intense, it's a rush of various bodily and visual/auditory hallucinations. Blood rushing through your body, heart beating, feeling of energy pulsating through your body. Rising/falling through your bed. Hearing voices and seeing through your closed eyelids as well as many others are the symptoms of the transition phase. It is in no way subtle. The transition phase continues for a while. Suddenly you may find yourself in your bed with sensations stopped. Immidiately do a RC, as you are very likely to be dreaming. If the rush doesnt stop after a minute or so, get up and do a RC on a digital clock. Chances are you are already dreaming. You may try to imagine a dream location while in the transition phase, chances are you will enter that dream. There's an easier way to WILD tho - after you wake up from a dream relax and imagine the last scene of that dream. Keep it in your mind for about 30 sec and there's a good chance that you will enter that dream again, this time fully lucid. Initially there may be a short transition phase, but after a while it disappears and the wake - dream transition is seemless. I think that the usual wake-dream transition we experience in normal dreams is seemless as well, but when you actually visualize the dream you want to enter you know that you are lucid once the dream you were visualizing settles around you.

[taihen]

So, it is impossible to do WILD from no sleep? Would you say the best time and way to WILD is after waking up from a dream, then visualising yourself in the dream and concentrating as you re-enter? That would produce lucidity?

[Merlock]

It looks like you did WILD. The first REM period of the night is simply ridiculously short. Thus, the dream period likely just ended and you woke back up since you were WILDing and more aware of your surroundings than regularly.

[Hedphelym]

my first ld was wild without sleep first. it works, but as they say: its hard.

[Ev]

So, it is impossible to do WILD from no sleep? Would you say the best time and way to WILD is after waking up from a dream, then visualising yourself in the dream and concentrating as you re-enter? That would produce lucidity? [/b] I wouldnt say it is entirely impossible, to do that you gotta either take drugs or have ridiculous amount of self control and awareness. Yes, dream reentry is the most successful method of LD induction that I found up to date. I'd say half my dreams are caused by this method. Upon waking up from a dream you may either visualize the last scene from a faded dream OR some intimately familiar place (like your old school or appartment). The toughest part of this technique is to remember to do it upon awakening. There's also a dilemma of possibly sacrificing dream recall of the previous dream for an attempt of lucidity. There are 2 ways to reenter - one is by simply keeping your awareness while relaxing. The usual clear your mind and go with the flow idea. This produces WILD symptoms. I did some experiments with this method early on, the advantage is that you *know* when you succeeded. The disadvantages are the transition phase and possibility of failing due to thinking too much. The other way is by visualizing the reentry point. I've never felt WILD transition phase when using this method. The dreamscape kinda fades in around me.