Numbness In 50 Breaths

[eggbert]

Hello there. ive been trying WBTB/WILD for a while, usually with about 5-6 hours of sleep. i stay up for sometime 15 min, or 1 min. i can get SP in about 50 breaths, 25 in 25 out. i feel tingly in most limbs, but not all over. i just cant get any more SP, or any sounds or HI or anything. how can i get past this stage? thanks!

[Miskingo]

Hello there. ive been trying WBTB/WILD for a while, usually with about 5-6 hours of sleep. i stay up for sometime 15 min, or 1 min. i can get SP in about 50 breaths, 25 in 25 out. i feel tingly in most limbs, but not all over. i just cant get any more SP, or any sounds or HI or anything. how can i get past this stage? thanks! [/b] WILD can take over and hour, that stage just takes a while to get past. Stick with it! your getting there.

[eggbert]

Ive gone for about 30-45 I should say. It sounds like a long time to lay there, but strangely enough I lose all track of time while in SP. Sure is a weird feeling. Hopefully ill make it tonight! i usually get to about 50 or so, get a little tingly and fall asleep... just got to keep concentrated!

[Casualtie]

i tried this a few nights ago. its very difficult. i couldn't do it.

[Neil.....]

I have the same problem... but I dont get any SP could be an hour of laying there still and relaxed and nothing.... even if I wake up and not movie and try to go to sleep again... its after 4-5 hours off sleep too any ideas?

[TweaK]

Hello there. ive been trying WBTB/WILD for a while, usually with about 5-6 hours of sleep. i stay up for sometime 15 min, or 1 min. i can get SP in about 50 breaths, 25 in 25 out. i feel tingly in most limbs, but not all over. i just cant get any more SP, or any sounds or HI or anything. how can i get past this stage? thanks! [/b] It's kinda hard to believe you have SP in 50 breaths. Maybe you just mean the numbness you get pretty fast after not moving for a while? That sounds more plausible. I don't know what else you could do. I was going to recommend you to do WBTB with it, but appearantly you are. If it takes 30-45 mins and still nothing is happening (and you are doing WBTB), then I don't know what's up :/ Sorry.

[carlhungis]

I can get SP pretty quickly when I am napping. It is rare, but it always leads to a LD. I agree though that this is just the tingly numbness, not necessarily SP. Usually with SP *for me* the room will feel like it is spinning. I almost always here some sort of freaky noise. And you are paralyzed, not just tingly. I wish I could do it more often. It is pretty fun.

[tai]

Hello there. ive been trying WBTB/WILD for a while, usually with about 5-6 hours of sleep. i stay up for sometime 15 min, or 1 min. i can get SP in about 50 breaths, 25 in 25 out. i feel tingly in most limbs, but not all over. i just cant get any more SP, or any sounds or HI or anything. how can i get past this stage? thanks! [/b] Hey eggbert. I'm also quite new to this, so I'm no expert, but I have had three successful WILDs so far. Like you, I'm doing WBTB. The one thing I noticed from your post is that you stay up for 1 to 15 mins - for myself, I've only had success if I stay up 60 - 90 mins. This seems to give my mind enough time to wake up properly, but also lets my body get tired and want to go back to sleep again. I have only succeeded when I've gone back to bed feeling physically tired, but fairly mentally alert. I've also found that its best not to lie there waiting for stuff to happen. If I concentrate too hard or try force it, I might get some SP, but nothing else ever happens. So rather I just focus on breathing for a while, then let my mind drift. With my successful WILDs so far, I have not consciously experienced SP or HI - there is just a period of "non-consciousness", then the transition happens. I hope some of this will be useful!

[TweaK]

I can get SP pretty quickly when I am napping. It is rare, but it always leads to a LD. I agree though that this is just the tingly numbness, not necessarily SP. Usually with SP *for me* the room will feel like it is spinning. I almost always here some sort of freaky noise. And you are paralyzed, not just tingly. I wish I could do it more often. It is pretty fun. [/b] What you describe as SP there, is called Hypnagogic Hallicunations. Those include a falling, spinning or gravityless feelings, hearing sounds, and hallicunations. Not neccessarily all of them, not neccessarily none. The paralysis is indeed SP.

[eggbert]

ok so I think theres disputed definition of terms here. I was previously descriping SP as feeling tingly or numb, whereas maybe the definition of SP includes heaviness and hypnagogic audio and visuals.. seems like heaviness combined with the hypnagogics would be called the transtitionphase... somebody experienced please help with the semantics. although Ive never felt like I couldnt move. Maybe I cant move when I feel tingly.. I just never want to try as I might lose my progress lol. TweaK the tingliness I usually feel after 50 Breaths is somwhat similar to the how you feel when you almost fall down the stairs. I dont know if this counts as SP, though.

[TweaK]

ok so I think theres disputed definition of terms here. I was previously descriping SP as feeling tingly or numb, whereas maybe the definition of SP includes heaviness and hypnagogic audio and visuals.. seems like heaviness combined with the hypnagogics would be called the transtitionphase... somebody experienced please help with the semantics. although Ive never felt like I couldnt move. Maybe I cant move when I feel tingly.. I just never want to try as I might lose my progress lol. TweaK the tingliness I usually feel after 50 Breaths is somwhat similar to the how you feel when you almost fall down the stairs. I dont know if this counts as SP, though. [/b] You described SP as tingly numbness. This is just numbness, which is rather easy to achieve for everyone. SP is being completely unable to move. Falling sensations, and other phenomenon as described by carlhungis, is Hypnagogic Hallicunations (HH). HH is 'hallicunation' (HI), hearing sounds, having a falling sensation, etc. The part where he says "And you are paralysed, not tingly", THAT is SP. SP means Sleep Paralysis. HH is not a part of SP, though they often come paired.

[eggbert]

SP sounds alot like the transition phase... DARN IT! just when I though I was getting close!! Well how do you explain numbness in 50 breaths but no further? I should think I should get SOMETHING more after 30-50 min. maybe im too drowsy?

[TweaK]

SP sounds alot like the transition phase... DARN IT! just when I though I was getting close!! Well how do you explain numbness in 50 breaths but no further? I should think I should get SOMETHING more after 30-50 min. maybe im too drowsy? [/b] Maybe you are just a person to not get any HI, and you are pretty far into the WILDing. WILDs can take up to and longer than 1½ hrs.

[eggbert]

that would be horrible. heh as if WILD isnt hard enough, id have to do it without any differentiating between the steps! I tried FILD last night.. but I fell asleep too fast. im thinking just a minute or two up at night will do the trick.. I think I just need more concentration and determination... The way I see it is that if I can concentrate enough while only waking up for a minute or two, it'll speed up the process since im more tired... don't know if thats reasonable though.

[eggbert]

I think I isolated my problem so I moved it to a new post. why do I always seem to forget what happens when I try to WILD?