Cracking The Lucid Barrier, The Easy Way

Thanks for the ideas. I think today I will actually learn the basic formula. I too am planning on using EFT to improve vision, be less she around girls. I also really want to try improving my acne, which would give me more confidence. And of course Lucid Dreaming, definite goal.

I think my problems are recall, concentrating on dreaming, maintaining stability, and not obsesssing over getting lucid. Would "even though I have trouble remembering my dreams, I completely and fully accept myself" etc. be the way to do it?

OK. I have been using this, and i must admit, on an emotional level, it does seem to work! How this can be applied to LDing, i'm not sure. Someone should try it out, and report back to this thread, but thank you Chevalier Violet for this valuable technique.

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Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Well that was my lame attempt at a joke; sorry if it wasn't that funny.

I am near-sighted now, altho I wasn't when I was younger. I started doing a lot of really close up (microscope) work in my 20's and that's when it happened. I don't know if you have always been near-sighted or not, but maybe it is partly the fact you are attached to the glasses . I have tried to wear contacts occasionally, and besides the fact they bother my eyes, I kind of like wearing my glasses and I miss them. Strange I know. So maybe you are not weird either. When you are near-sighted, you can see really well close up, so it can be an adavantage. (Also, I hesitate to mention this--but I seriously doubt that EFT can fix your vision. Near-sightedness is a combination of environment and genetic tendency, and our eyeballs actually become a different shape. I am not against EFT as a method, and altho I have been lazy to learn about it, a prominent doctor whom I admire recommends it for all kinds of things, and I have a book about it that I should read and try. But for mental things maybe, not physical things like eyeball-shape.)

P.S. A Purple Knight should definitely not have a fear of women. Many women would love to meet a Purple Knight.
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Your PS just got instantaneously sigged... it was like read copy paste WHAM! You're right. I just went on a date, and it went pretty well, but I didn't kiss her and that sexual tension was building up, so it would have been kinda nice.

I only got nearsighted at the age of 20... or was it 21. Late enough that I think I can get it back. You know what? Scientists don't really know what causes near-sightedness. Most probable answer is that many factors contribute, so it could turn out that some emotional factor is the primary one. Take that factor out and I'll be seeing fine. Besides, I can feel the exhaustion and energy waste coming from my eyes... I know there are improvements I can make there, whether I regain 20/20 or not.

By the way, being near-sighted does not help in seeing close up. It blurs all vision equally, but the blur is less important close up where objects already appear in a lot of detail.

As to your point that eye refraction and myopia is caused by the changing shape of the eye, that's like saying that soreness in your shoulder is caused by tense muscles. Sure, it caused by tense muscles, but that's not to say that we can't do something to relax those muscles, and the soreness may go away. In the same way, sure the eye shape changes, but there are a lot of things we can do to change eyeshape BACK to the way it was.

In some cases it may be entirely genetic, but in others, I don't think it is. I found myself myopic after sitting in the library for a month straight writing 72 pages of history papers (11 essays in total, one a 25 pager - that's a load of work cuz each history essay takes a long time to research.) I also 1.) went through a rocky section with my girlfriend, 2.) packed everything for moving, 3.) got screwed over by the new tenants so we had to move two weeks early during finals, 4.) got in a big fight with my roommates from which we still haven't recovered two years later.

Next thing I knew, I was myopic. Hmmm, was it genetic? Possibly. But it seems more likely that I'm about about as genetically predisposed to see clearly as I am to walk.

I highly recommend this book: Take off your glasses and see : how to heal your eyesight and expand your insight, Liberman, Jacob. It's one of the most thought-provoking books I've ever read, the guy makes excellent arguments about the nature of vision and vision loss. He links a loss of emotional acuity with visual acuity. It sounds really surprising when put like that, but I think the guy makes a great case for an emotional factor.

Don't believe eye-doctors or anybody when people say "we know why people become myopic." Eye doctors have been viciously debating this question in recent years - there's very little consensus about it,. Study after study points in different directions. There are actually studies studying the studies that say there is no trend. We don't know for certain WHY people become myopic. Sure the eye-shape changes, but that doesn't mean very much. That's like saying "thoughts are composed of electric charges." I'm sure they are, but that doesn't mean we understand how the charges interact to form thoughts. Now that's the real question I want answered. Similarly, I want to know "why did my eye change shape in the first place?" "how I can change my eye-shape back" - if it changed once, it can change again, right?

More to the point, if our broken bones heal, if our minds heal, if our organs heal, if our brain heals, we should not totally and uncritically believe anyone who declares that our eyes cannot, in any conceiveable case, heal. Wearing glasses could prevent certain eyes from healing. Glasses could be the cargo rather than the crew. More and more eye-doctors say, in many cases, a traditional pair of glasses only deepen the problem and address no real, solveable causes of vision decay.

If a doctor said, "your leg is broken, you're going to need a crutch for the rest of your life," you would quite rightly leave to find another doctor, never to return. Why is it when an eye doctor says, "your eyes aren't working right, you're going to need a pair of glasses for the rest of your life." people keep coming back for stronger and stronger glasses?!

I seriously don't know. I'm a bit extreme about this. I will never wear glasses. Ever. They're a stupid idea, they worsen the problem rather than creating the conditions for improving it. I won't wear them. If my eyes never get better, which in any case they will, I still will have saved hundreds of dollars and hours of time at the eye doctor's, plus time searching high and low for glasses I will no doubt lose. On the other hand, if I do heal my eyes, I will have done something amazing that nobody thought possible, I will be living my very short life the way I want to live it. I will be living a dream. I'm not afraid of being a bit short-sighted, I'm afraid of not even trying to improve things.

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Thanks for the ideas. I think today I will actually learn the basic formula. I too am planning on using EFT to improve vision, be less she around girls. I also really want to try improving my acne, which would give me more confidence. And of course Lucid Dreaming, definite goal.

I think my problems are recall, concentrating on dreaming, maintaining stability, and not obsesssing over getting lucid. Would "even though I have trouble remembering my dreams, I completely and fully accept myself" etc. be the way to do it?[/b]

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You're welcome. Thanks for letting me know that I'm helping.

You notice the trend here, this is why you and I are having trouble lucid dreaming. I'm doing the same thing: I post about a tool like EFT and there are about 47 things I find more important to use EFT on than Lucid Dreaming. I'm not saying that's bad prioritization, it's quite right. But it goes to confirm a little maxim of mine: you can't LD until your life is in order. You just won't be able to do it regularly, it will be too exhausting, too grueling. Your will is directed elsewhere - it's directed toward getting your vision, your women, your acne.

Solve these problems, clean off your slate and LD will be a lot easier.

Yes, that's a perfectly fine way of putting the affirmation. I can't say FOR YOU what will work and what won't. You will feel it when it's good, you will know it addresses something inside you. You will be able to tell. I can't say how with words, but I'm not worried, you will know when you're attacking the problem from the right angle.

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OK. I have been using this, and i must admit, on an emotional level, it does seem to work! How this can be applied to LDing, i'm not sure. Someone should try it out, and report back to this thread, but thank you Chevalier Violet for this valuable technique.[/b]

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You learned about the technique from me? If I pointed you toward EFT, thanks for letting me know you find it useful. Isn't EFT great? It is totally changing my life, and it's so efficient.

You've hit upon a main weakness of this thread: I can't possibly know what weaknesses to attack, what to say to attack them best. People just have to find what will work inside themselves, because it may be different for each person.

I think EFT has two applications to LD. 1.) overcoming fears of LD itself. LD is new, it's frightening, it's captivating. Fear is a natural thing to feel, as is shame, or anger at oneself for not succeeding right away. There are a lot of ways to apply it. The hardest thing is that, I know in my life that a nightmare that I don't remember has really been blocking my ability to LD. Well, I can't say to people, "just affirm that the scraggly mountain won't eat you" and you'll be LDing in notime. Each person's dreams are extremely personal and subjective. But I can say, maybe particular dreams have hindered you, or maybe you're afraid and a quick, effective way to move past that fear. Well, here it is.

2.) My maxim is that you need to clean your slate before you can LD. At least, it's much easier that way. Once your life is in order, the loose ends are tied up, the worries are taken care of, LDing is much much easier. You will simply have more will to throw around, since will can be occupied and preoccupied with old memories, worries, cares, duties, and responsibilities. Clean up your emotional life, and it is easier to be concentrated and to focus your will toward what you desire. You can have all the techniques and desire and time you want. If you're worried sick about something you are not going to LD regularly. It's just not possible. This is a tool that can attack the problem of LD from all sides, and I think it can win. No small thing.

Still haven't read the EFT thing, but I think I have read an article or two on the EFT site (improving vision, and bending spoons), and I have thought of about a dozen affirmations I could use for LDing so far, and a few for the other things. I am kind of like you with glasses. I have a pair as I have 20/40 in my right eye, 20/80 or 90 in my left, but my right eye is good enough to see most things I need, so I don't even bother wearing them to school, and only occasionally wear them for a movie or something. Oh, and I just thought of more things to work on with EFT! Not procrastinating. Only problem is to work on it I have to learn EFT, and I am procrastinating with that :). When I want to do something I always think of about 1000 ideas to do, and often end up doing none because I never get around to doing the preparing steps to do those things.

RE: Chevalier Violet, your post above.

Well...if not entirely convincing, that was at the least very intriguing and I will definitely try to learn a little more about this whole near-sighted thing. Of the list of things that you said caused it for you, the intense studying is what I would have thought would be the trigger. But thanks for the info, and I will do some more reading. (It would be cool to be able to see well again...)

Congrats on the date, and good luck on the LD sex-with-a-blonde. I'm very proud to have been quoted; I don't think I've ever been quoted before. :) Well not in a sig line anyway.

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Originally Posted by Moonbeam

RE: Chevalier Violet, your post above.

Well...if not entirely convincing, that was at the least very intriguing and I will definitely try to learn a little more about this whole near-sighted thing. Of the list of things that you said caused it for you, the intense studying is what I would have thought would be the trigger. But thanks for the info, and I will do some more reading. (It would be cool to be able to see well again...)

Congrats on the date, and good luck on the LD sex-with-a-blonde. I'm very proud to have been quoted; I don't think I've ever been quoted before. :) Well not in a sig line anyway.
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That would be the standard explanation from your average eye-doctor: eye stress. It is a plausible argument. There's certainly nothing obviously wrong there. But I wonder, why didn't I get shortsighted the semester before, or before that, or before that. All I did was sit in the library for four years. And then high school before that... why that semester in particular? Hmm, let's see. Emotional stress? Both theories are plausible, but I think the second explains more information in my case, namely "why just that moment did I become myopic."

The date was awesome, though I didn't make a move, and I would have liked to. Sort of (god I'm horrible at making moves on women, but at least she had a great time and there is a mutual desire there.) I'm still working on the LD sex with a blonde. Oooo, tonight looks like a good night for that, oh baby! Thanks for the well-wishing. Do check out that book - agree or disagree, I think it will change your life.

The Purple Knight (about to show the dream-ladies how the Purple Knight rolls)

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Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

That would be the standard explanation from your average eye-doctor: eye stress. It is a plausible argument. There's certainly nothing obviously wrong there. But I wonder, why didn't I get shortsighted the semester before, or before that, or before that. All I did was sit in the library for four years. And then high school before that... why that semester in particular? Hmm, let's see. Emotional stress? Both theories are plausible, but I think the second explains more information in my case, namely "why just that moment did I become myopic."

The date was awesome, though I didn't make a move, and I would have liked to. Sort of (god I'm horrible at making moves on women, but at least she had a great time and there is a mutual desire there.) I'm still working on the LD sex with a blonde. Oooo, tonight looks like a good night for that, oh baby! Thanks for the well-wishing. Do check out that book - agree or disagree, I think it will change your life.

The Purple Knight (about to show the dream-ladies how the Purple Knight rolls)
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I got a LD a few nights ago.

Most of my LDs before were just me going to bed like usual, and sitting in total inner silence until a dream came upon me. It's sort of like a trance induced thing, except that it was just me staying awake while I fall asleep. A few nights ago, I had a regular LD. It may be thanks to EFT, it may not. I've been doing other things, but still continuing to make an effort to LD using EFT. Meanwhile, EFT is solving all sorts of other things.

For the first time tonight, I went on a date and I said, "Why don't I just kiss this chick?" I have never felt like that before. So I kissed her. It was great. I just said I want to do it, and the shame and embarrassment and fear weren't enough to stop me.

Normally, I wouldn't have even called the girl, I would have been too scared.

Yay for EFT. Although it didn't cure my vision or my fear of approaching in a month, I can feel major improvements. I just haven't found the right angles yet. Once I find those, I know I'll be just fine.

The Purple Knight

My vision suddenly cleared up the other day. I was looking at a sign and all of a sudden, it became surprisingly clear. I was stunned, so I turned around and realized that I could see a lady about 300 yards away with clarity I haven't had since high school.

Go EFT!

Congratulations on all your success. (Meanwhile I haven't had a lucid for a long time; note to self, remember to try EFT). I'm glad things are working out for you; see I told you...just keep it up, confidence is the main thing. What have you got to lose? Don't take things too seriously. You know how in relationships they say that there is one who loves, and one who is loved? WEll I always wanted to be the one who was loved, I thought that was the best place to be to protect myself (from rejection or whatever). But then I got into a relationship that went the other way, and I found out rather than being vulnerable position, being the one who does the loving is the most fun and most exciting even tho you can get hurt more easily. It is worth it. (Now ten years later it doesn't matter much either way of course.) I don't know if that has anything to do with your situation, but I think rejection or whatever you fear may not really be as bad as you think, especially compared with alternative of missing out on fun and sex and everything.

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Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Congratulations on all your success. (Meanwhile I haven't had a lucid for a long time; note to self, remember to try EFT). I'm glad things are working out for you; see I told you...just keep it up, confidence is the main thing. What have you got to lose? Don't take things too seriously. You know how in relationships they say that there is one who loves, and one who is loved? WEll I always wanted to be the one who was loved, I thought that was the best place to be to protect myself (from rejection or whatever). But then I got into a relationship that went the other way, and I found out rather than being vulnerable position, being the one who does the loving is the most fun and most exciting even tho you can get hurt more easily. It is worth it. (Now ten years later it doesn't matter much either way of course.) I don't know if that has anything to do with your situation, but I think rejection or whatever you fear may not really be as bad as you think, especially compared with alternative of missing out on fun and sex and everything.
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I prefer a relationship where we're both doing the loving, and we're both being loved. I truly believe that's possible, and I've had that a bit before.

Speaking of not giving up: I realized the other day that I had begun to play the dating game from a position of total resignation. I said, "since it is not my fate to get women, I'll try just so I can say I tried."

The problem was, when I tried, I was met with success. And success was way worse than being alone. I said to myself, "I didn't sign up to succeed, I signed up to fail." And so I ran. LOL

Every step of the dating game is frustratingly simple; it's accepting success with women that's hard.

Isn't that weird?

The Purple Knight

Nice to hear it helped you so much with women, vision, etc. Anyways, I actually read the book thing finally past the technique (though not to the end of the section), and did EFT a few times on random stuff (though I haven't done that in a little bit). I don't know for sure if it helped, though it may have a tiny bit, but I have a few questions. When I perform EFT, should I be saying "Even though I have...I completely and profoundly accept myself" (or whatever) on every single place I tap, or just while rubbing the sore spot, and afterwards just be thinking of my problem while I tap/do the gamut thing? Also, I totally don't get the reminder phrase. When am I supposed to be saying that?

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I prefer a relationship where we're both doing the loving, and we're both being loved. I truly believe that's possible, and I've had that a bit before.


The Purple Knight
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I don't mean like totally one-sided, I mean like in the beginning in the blind-love stage, one person is the obsessor and one the obssessee. I thought being the obsessee was fun until I became the obsessor, which was much more exciting. Of course that would be the case only when something is reciprocated.

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Nice to hear it helped you so much with women, vision, etc. Anyways, I actually read the book thing finally past the technique (though not to the end of the section), and did EFT a few times on random stuff (though I haven't done that in a little bit). I don't know for sure if it helped, though it may have a tiny bit, but I have a few questions. When I perform EFT, should I be saying "Even though I have...I completely and profoundly accept myself" (or whatever) on every single place I tap, or just while rubbing the sore spot, and afterwards just be thinking of my problem while I tap/do the gamut thing? Also, I totally don't get the reminder phrase. When am I supposed to be saying that?
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Haha, my impression was that all your questions are covered in the manual.

But, since I don't feel like going to bed right away, I'll answer.

You only say the whole phrase when rubbing the sore spot/karate chop point (it sounds so ridiculous when I talk about EFT. If it hadn't done such marvels in my life, I wouldn't tell a soul about it.) When tapping the other points (eyebrow through karate-chop point), it's enough to say the basic emotion you feel, ie, anger, as a reminder phrase to keep your mind focused on the emotion you are trying to pacify. When doing the gamut, feel free to let your mind wander and not say the reminder phrase.

For instance, today on the train I ran into a girl that I had hit on about six years ago. We had exchanged emails at that time, and I tried to ask her out, but was too much of an idiot and she never emailed me back. I basically had no charm, and no idea what I was doing.

I had forgotten completely about this incident - so much so that her sister who I'd also met sings with me in a choir, and I'd not even recognized her. All of a sudden all this frustration and sadness came back to me, and anger at her for turning me down.

Usually I process these emotions one by one (it feels so good to be at peace about them, it's worth the time!) So I processed four emotions (frustration, sadness, jealousy (about a related incident), and anger that she didn't respond) in about 7 minutes. An example for anger:

Even though I have this anger that X turned me down for a date, I still completely love and completely accept myself. (Three times while rubbing sore point).

Reminder phrase = "Anger," I say this while tapping points and remembering incidents with this girl that made me angry. As I'm getting to my hands, I feel an enormous amount of negativity and hurt release, and I feel much more balanced and at peace.

At the gamut point, I tap just behind the knuckle of the ring and pinky finger, that is, on the back of the hand, a bit toward the wrist from the knuckle. I don't say anything and let my mind wander as I do the gamut procedure.

I repeat the reminder thing, saying "anger" as I tap the points and "tune in" the incident, that is, remember what happened and why I felt angry. I feel an enormous weight lift off my shoulders, I feel something unpleasant leaving by the top of my head. Now, when I recall this incident, I remember being in pain about it, but feel at peace.

So I did the exercise to find peace. I still have similar negative emotions, but I have lopped off one root of this emotion.

Erm, this is total BS.

can someone move this to beyond dreaming? :|


(its BS because all it does is placebo you up so you think whatever your trying to change will change. It has nothing to do with magical energies)
And before you say I should be more open minded, you should remember that theres a difference between being open minded and just plain being a moron.

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Erm, this is total BS.

can someone move this to beyond dreaming? :|
(its BS because all it does is placebo you up so you think whatever your trying to change will change. It has nothing to do with magical energies)
And before you say I should be more open minded, you should remember that theres a difference between being open minded and just plain being a moron.
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I'll admit it is very possible chance you're right about it, and it really is a damned good placebo effect, but considering how much we know, it could be real. I am not telling you to keep an open mind, because you seem very open minded in the first place, but I am just saying that we know near to nothing about the universe, and we are made of energy just like anything else in the universe, so manipluting energy could feasibly cause effects. And even if it is placebo, who cares? If you had cancer, and a fake placebo sugar pill cured it, you wouldn't care that it was a placebo, you'd be happy not to have cancer. Honestly, I can't speak for EFT's effects, as it hasn't yet produced results, but when many people report effects, it is possible something's there.

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Erm, this is total BS.

can someone move this to beyond dreaming? :|
(its BS because all it does is placebo you up so you think whatever your trying to change will change. It has nothing to do with magical energies)
And before you say I should be more open minded, you should remember that theres a difference between being open minded and just plain being a moron.
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If a sugar pill cures my vision, my fear of approaching women, my fear of making all sorts of moves on them, gets me over a painful breakup, heals the relationship with my parents, my siblings, my friends, my universe...

... I say give me more sugar.

I'm not saying you're wrong. There's no way I can prove to you that it's not a placebo. You may well be right.

On the other hand, there's no way for you to prove to me that EFT is a placebo. I may well be right.

But how curious that the previous "sugar pills" I tried like writing all these old painful memories, reliving events, writing down emotions, as prescribed by other people, did nothing to heal me (even though I believed in them), while this one, which I didn't believe in, has completely transformed my life.

This is a thread about how to obtain lucidity using EFT, which has branched into the other benefits of EFT. I don't see how this thread deserves to be moved, just because we're discussing other benefits of EFT (as if we had begun discussing the existence of Leprechauns).

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You know, unlike UFO's, and Loch Ness, you can actually test EFT for yourself. Instead of calling people morons...

why don't you take five minutes (a reasonable amount of time) and try it yourself?

If it doesn't work then, fine, it's a placebo, we're all morons, believe whatever you want!

The Purple Knight

PS The two statements "EFT is a placebo" and "EFT somehow actually has a significant effect beyond placebo" are both plausible arguments from the evidence: it cures people. To call somebody a moron for believing a plausible argument is simply moronic in and of itself.

All you are saying is that "current medical consensus in scientific circles does not think that EFT should work" - therefore I am a moron.

Humans are fallible. Science is done by humans. Science is therefore fallible. Science does not mean true, science means "our best guess."

All it takes is a few seconds of thought, considering the thousands of times "scientific consensus" has been wrong before (do I have to name Newton's theories, the Ether, non-rotating DNA, and how the latest nutritional advice changes with the seasons) to realize that scientific consensus could theoretically be off the mark again. It does not make me a moron to believe in something science does not believe in.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

Repeat: I'm not saying you're wrong.

How would I be able to empirically prove it if EFT was a placebo. How would you know if it weren't a placebo?

All I'm saying is, you're not a moron to think it's a placebo. I'm not a moron to think EFT has a significant effect.

You are, however, a moron to think yourself open-minded. We are all morons. We are all close-minded.

The Purple Knight