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      Mmm I'm confused. We know we're dreaming, but we're not conscious until we awake, which makes sense. But what would be doing the lucid dreaming then, or in other words, how does it become lucid if there is no consciousness to become aware and make decisions? (I'm not learned on brain mechanics)

      (Yea, not the point of the thread but it was bugging me )

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      Yea that was bugging me too. I have taken a really basic psych class, bt most of my knowledge stems from research I have done on my own. I do not understand the mechanics you are trying to explain, but I trust your opinion. Part of understanding involves keeping an open mind. What you are saying explains a lot of things I never understood about dreams so, I cannot disagree. Though, it seems quite the opposite, it does explain skipping of dreams from place to place, and visual processing is a subconcious process to begin with.

      If we are in fact unconcious, then a dream is like picturing something in your head and actually seeing it (or is that still a concious process?) because this is what I do to create things in my dream. It does not, however, agree with decison making in dreams, lucid or not. This definately gives me something to ponder for the next few days because there are a number of possibilities that could emulate decision making. All I know is that our subconcious brain is capable of quite of a lot of processing. It creates the world we see every day, and displays accurate dipictions of motion of multiple objects instantaneously. A dream may be a depiction of the subconcious mind which could make them a usefull tool for discovering the secrets of the brain. To this end, I am pretty much stumped.

      I read somewhere that when we go to sleep, the gland in our brain (I feel stupid for forgetting which one. If I had to guess it is pituitary.) releases DMT into our brain. DMT is a natural hallucinegenic that can be smoked or eaten. This would mean that we trip our faces off every time we are dreaming. This DMT could serve as the input for the visual processing, but that is just a hunch.

      Links worth checkin out:
      I saw this on TV last year. Famous savant explains how he does math subconciously. Goes to show how powerful our subconcious mind, and why isn't it doing my math homework!?!? Check out how he does math toward the end...
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=UqLzoiVzEY8

      Akinetopsia is a disorder in which a person is unable to perceive motion...
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B47Js1MtT4w
      Once upon a time a disciple went to his guru and asked him, 'Guru, what is life?' To which the guru replies, after much thinking, 'My Son, life is like a fountain.' The disciple is outraged. 'Is that the best you can do? Is that what you call wisdom?' 'All right,' says the guru; 'don't get excited. So maybe it's not like a fountain.'

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      Wow,

      Cheers guys, that kinda cleared a lot of things up, i guess i was trying to hard, and i guess thats sometimes why i would drop in an out of sleep. So al just try and relax and see how it goes

      Thanks again

      Mustang

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      nice avatar freefire!
      Once upon a time a disciple went to his guru and asked him, 'Guru, what is life?' To which the guru replies, after much thinking, 'My Son, life is like a fountain.' The disciple is outraged. 'Is that the best you can do? Is that what you call wisdom?' 'All right,' says the guru; 'don't get excited. So maybe it's not like a fountain.'

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      The easiest thing to do is to summon a pair of glasses.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      The easiest thing to do is to summon a pair of glasses.
      Uff. this was a quest reading the whole topic. But it was worth it. I can see we are moving in the same region. It seems that our main enemy is when we are doing too much.

      I am making often the same mistakes. But am searching the state of mind, when there is better probability to enter dream state. This is called Dream saturated mind.

      From my latest observation, it seems that this state is fully connected with motivation. But you cannot be fully motivated, when you are stressed with many tasks. Or stressed with one task too much. Thats why i use some relaxation before i get into sleep to align my mind with reasons why i beginned LD.

      for more info. Take a look at:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=51070

      Till now. Really interesting discussion. Still pretty absolute. For me: The only absolute is peace. Techniques are only applyable when your brain is in peace.

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