''i'm Just Lying Here''

[SKA]

I've had times where I slept yet all the way through the sleep, some deep sleep some midday near-sleep naps/daydreams, I seemed to be aware of my physical body lying there and resting. I've noticed this on occasions where I went to sleep in unusual times: naps at daytime being very tired and during sleep on nights when I ate Magic Mushrooms. A sort of deep entancing yet very physically aware kind of sleep. Yesterday evening around 9 o clock I was extremely tired and layed down on a 1 person matrass in my room which I keep there for people who sleep over. I filled it up with pillows and blankets and I dropped down to sleep there. As I was near sleep, yet still ''pretty much'' awake I started to think a Mantra to keep me aware of lying there: '' I'm just lying here'' I thought every once in a minute perhaps. And as I said that in my Mind I also thought of what that meant; I would visualise the room and the matrass, my sleeping body, focus on my breath, on my body's severe relaxation...etc then I would think it again and become aware again of all these things. It really brought me into a very deep state of near-sleep trance & Relaxation yet very Consciously. Then I decided I was so tired that I wouldn't nap but sleep for the rest of tghe night till the next morning. However this is a Technique I want to continue investigating and hopefully together with some of you people. I've noticed that taking naps in daytime or early in the evening when you're very tired helps most for inducing this aware sleep. If you want to Sleep deprive yourself a little so you're tired enough in the late midday/early evening try waking up about 4 hours earlier than you normally would. Works especially well if you go to bed rather late like after 12 o'clock and then suddenly one day rise out of bed at 5 in the morning: this was what I did. So if you want to find out with me then help me out by experimenting with Conscious naps and let me know the results here.

[krc518]

Loser...keep eating your shrooms and never leave your room

[Wuollet]

Loser...keep eating your shrooms and never leave your room[/b] Feeling better now when you've stated something wich doesn't have anything to do with what he said above? What he said doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he ate magic Mushrooms, he used that once as an example. and not " Take mushrooms and you can do this too! " Just because you don't respect people who use drugs (wich you probably do as well) doesn't mean you have the right to write these things about another person If you don't have anything more important to say, then just leave it too yourself. But sure, if it makes you tingle inside... Wich wouldn't surprise me.

[tyrantt23]

Loser...keep eating your shrooms and never leave your room[/b] uhh... I'll save my time and just quote: If you don't have anything more important to say, then just leave it to yourself.[/b]

[krc518]

Just want to make one thing clear...You were right when you said I have no respect for people who mess around with drugs...But you were wrong when you said I probably use them too. I don't. And you cannot blame me for having no respect for those who are users because it's evident they do not have respect for themselves. You may not like to believe that, but it's the simple truth. So until you drugs abusers can start respecting yourself, then don't expect people like me to respect you.

[a dude]

You should be more open minded

[SKA]

Just want to make one thing clear...You were right when you said I have no respect for people who mess around with drugs...But you were wrong when you said I probably use them too. I don't. And you cannot blame me for having no respect for those who are users because it's evident they do not have respect for themselves. You may not like to believe that, but it's the simple truth. So until you drugs abusers can start respecting yourself, then don't expect people like me to respect you.[/b] Sorry my friend, but you seem a bit Confused. And full of Pre-assumptions. 1. What leads you to believe that because I do mushrooms I don't respect myself? It seems you don't have any idea at all what Mushrooms exactly are and what they do. If you're gunna Judge Magic Mushrooms and people who do them I suggest you first learn the facts about Magic Mushrooms. If you would, you'd learn that Mushrooms aren't harmfull physically and mentally at all actually. Unless you have a background with Psychological trouble like chronic depression disorders, Psychotic disorders, Schizophrenia and related disorders eating magic mushrooms is nothing to worry about. 2. How is it you can say I abuse drugs? To use drugs is one thing. To abuse them is another. Are you clearvoyant? Or just incredibly ignorant? Nevermind; Rethorical question. 3. What makes you think I want to be respected by people like YOU? Seriously, you over estimate the importance of your opinion. 4. You don't use drugs. Then at LEAST tell me you never drink alcohol. Okay 'nuff of that. I think you deserve a Warning from the mods for your uncivilised, hatefull behaviour and for spamming: This topic is not at all about Mushrooms and certainly not about ethics. Go wash your mouth with soap cuz your use of words is offensive, rude and mindless. Don't mess up this Topic any further with your Irrelevant, off-topic Opinion; Sorry, I'm not interrested in it. Let's get back on Topic: TAKING DAYTIME NAPS, SAYING A MANTRA LIKE:''I'M JUST LYING HERE'' TO STAY AWARE OF THAT YOU ARE SLEEPING AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ASSIST YOU STAYING AWARE EASIER WHILE FALLING ASLEEP. Does anyone have suggestions of things I can add up to this to make it work more effectively and easier to stay aware?

[tyrantt23]

Just want to make one thing clear...You were right when you said I have no respect for people who mess around with drugs...But you were wrong when you said I probably use them too. I don't. And you cannot blame me for having no respect for those who are users because it's evident they do not have respect for themselves. You may not like to believe that, but it's the simple truth. So until you drugs abusers can start respecting yourself, then don't expect people like me to respect you.[/b] 4. You don't use drugs. Then at LEAST tell me you never drink alcohol.[/b] And that he never drinks coffee either... people seem to forget that is a drug as well. Not to mention sugar, which is also addictive and can definitely give people a sugar high. So yeah, I think its safe to assume krc518 has used plenty of drugs in his life. Let's get back on Topic: TAKING DAYTIME NAPS, SAYING A MANTRA LIKE:''I'M JUST LYING HERE'' TO STAY AWARE OF THAT YOU ARE SLEEPING AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ASSIST YOU STAYING AWARE EASIER WHILE FALLING ASLEEP. Does anyone have suggestions of things I can add up to this to make it work more effectively and easier to stay aware?[/b] I've tried this before on daytime naps. The only times that I manage to stay aware, is when I'm apparently not tired enough to fall asleep. I stay very aware, end up getting very relaxed, occasionally seeing very simple HIs, feel slight muscle twitches throughout my legs, but don't seem to fall asleep. After an hour or so, I end up getting annoyed and usually stop trying, or I have other things to do. If I'm tired enough, then I usually fall asleep and don't manage to stay aware long enough to get a WILD. Are you asking if afternoon naps may be good to practice awareness as you fall asleep, or simply it may be easier to stay aware during an afternoon nap? Or both?

[a dude]

Once one of my cousins was trying to go to sleep and I kept talking to him trying to keep him awake, when he fell asleep I yelled his name to wake him up and he said he heard me the whole time and knew that he was asleep. I guess I was keeping him concious while he fell asleep. Ill try saying "Im just laying here" tonight and tell you what happens tomorrow.

[RooJ]

Hey SKA One way to practice getting further into sleep without losing conciousness is the perpendicular arm trick mentioned in Exploring the world of lucid dreaming. Ill quote: Remember the fairy tale about the cobbler and the elves did his work while he was sleeping? At least one -known man of letters, the writer Robert Louis Stevenson created his own dream workshop replete with assistants—his “brownies, “ as he called them, who helped him produce many of his most famous works. Stevenson remarks on his dream helpers: The more I think of it, the more I am moved to press upon the world my question: Who are the people? They are near connections of the dreamer’s beyond doubt; they share in his financial worries and have an eye to the bankbook... they ! have plainly learned like him to build the scheme of a considerable story and to arrange emotion in progressive order; only I think they have more talent; and one thing is beyond doubt, they can tell him a story piece by piece, like a serial, and keep him all the while in ignorance of where they aim. Who are they then? And who is the dreamer? Stevenson was not explicit about whether his brownies were characters of lucid dreams. It appears from his reports that they were mental images that appeared during lucid hypnagogic reverie. The technique the writer used was to lie in bed with his forearm perpendicular to the mattress. He found that he could drift easily into his familiar fantasy workshop, and if he fell into a deeper sleep, his forearm would fall to the mattress and awaken him. Stevenson credited his brownies with coming up with the plot for his famous story, The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde[/b] Although i dont use it often, ive witnessed some of the most amazing hypnogogic imagery using this technique (when usually i would have fallen asleep before that stage). Obviously you probably wont fall asleep completely with this technique, but it looks like a good way to practice a.. 'concious' march towards the borderline of sleep. I found it strange getting to the 'borderline' completely aware, but its hard to cross that border without losing it, still cool to be able to predict the exact moment your going to fall asleep though.

[Indecent Exposure]

Just want to make one thing clear...You were right when you said I have no respect for people who mess around with drugs...But you were wrong when you said I probably use them too. I don't. And you cannot blame me for having no respect for those who are users because it's evident they do not have respect for themselves. You may not like to believe that, but it's the simple truth. So until you drugs abusers can start respecting yourself, then don't expect people like me to respect you.[/b] Seriosuly youve made three psots here, two of them contributed ntohing to anybody. You just wanted to do your "Oh im so holy act" And drug abusers? There is a difference between drug users and drug abusers. Have you ever drank alcohol? IF yes, should I start calling you a drug abuser? eh? no, so go crawl into a corner of the universe and disintegrate. Now, if youd be so kind as to stop hijacking threads with your im so fu*ing holy act. Subject Realted:- I had my third lucid the other day when I went to bed at 12 then woke up at 5 i nthe moring, i was going to london for a football tournament, on the way there I had a small nap and just had a vivid dream. On the way back I had another nap which reuslted i na full blown lucid. During the Summer I'm going to test extensively the effects of sleep dprivation, how long to leave, how long to sleep for and such. Imran

[SKA]

Hey SKA One way to practice getting further into sleep without losing conciousness is the perpendicular arm trick mentioned in Exploring the world of lucid dreaming. Ill quote: Although i dont use it often, ive witnessed some of the most amazing hypnogogic imagery using this technique (when usually i would have fallen asleep before that stage). Obviously you probably wont fall asleep completely with this technique, but it looks like a good way to practice a.. 'concious' march towards the borderline of sleep. I found it strange getting to the 'borderline' completely aware, but its hard to cross that border without losing it, still cool to be able to predict the exact moment your going to fall asleep though.[/b] Wow. That perpendicular arm-trick sounds Interresting. Haven't you had difficulty falling asleep with your arm perpendicular to your matrass? I can imagine this would be a bit of physical discomfort, however I'm tempted to try it. Perhaps this is a good Technique to add up to the ''I'm just lying here'''nap Idea I made up before. Also this arm-trick has inspired me for new ideas and concepts of Lucid Dreaming. How about techniques that are Variations of this Perpendicular arm trick? I've got an Idea: You could install a sort of cable next to your bed. The cable should run up to the ceiling, or high up, and run through a ring or over a bar up there and hang back down on the other side. On the one end of this rope you could attatch a handle which you can easily hold in your hand while falling asleep. On the Other end of this rope you could hang Windchimes or Bells. All you'd have to do is keep hold of the handle to stop the Chimes from falling and making noise. If you hang the handle so that you can hold it with your arm resting on the matrass this shouldn't be too much of an effort and allow you to fall asleep easily. If you were to fall asleep with the rope's handle in your hand, you would eventually fall into SP and let go; making the Windchimes on the other end drop down and make a noise; This is basically the same idea as a dreammask only it is a SOUND Cue that is triggered as you just fall asleep, become paralysed and let go of the cable. However you should train yourself to recognise the sound that the Windchimes make as a Clue that you shouldn't move, stay asleep, aware and proceed through Hypnagogia Consciously. Maybe this could be done by ringing the Windchimes at daytime and associating it with a sign that you are Dreaming. Alternatively you can try this in the morning like WBTB or during daytime naps to WILD in addition to the ''I'm just lying here'' mantra.

[RooJ]

Haven't you had difficulty falling asleep with your arm perpendicular to your matrass? I can imagine this would be a bit of physical discomfort[/b] Not really, its strange, once I get the balance point i seem to forget my arms in the air. What i usually do is get pretty relaxed and on the way to sleep before i start with the arm anyway, just try not to overshoot because its hard to pull a parachute when you've already hit the ground . One thing i will say is that the whole point of this technique is obviously to stop you falling asleep, but if you're aware as your falling asleep you may be able to ignore the fact your arm is falling. So where Robert Louis Stevenson got to the point just before sleep in deep hypnogogia and stayed at that point to solve problems and get ideas for books, what you would do is attempt to carry on to sleep conciously, if you fall unconcious your arm falling will wake you, but if you manage to cross that threshold without losing conciousness you may be able to ignore the arm falling and stay in sleep paralysis aware. Ill reiterate that ive witnessed some of the most amazing hypnogogia using this technique, and ive also fell asleep a few times using it and woke because of the arm falling, so it definitely works. I like the idea of building on this, the problem i can see with the windchimes technique is that its a one shot thing, and you may not be dreaming the second sleep paralysis kicks in, so you may completely miss the cue. The dreammasks watch for REM periods before firing cues. You could possibly use the same type of idea for starting an mp3 playing or some other such thing which would give you a better chance of hearing it while you're dreaming (if it were on repeat for instance).

[SKA]

I like the idea of building on this, the problem i can see with the windchimes technique is that its a one shot thing, and you may not be dreaming the second sleep paralysis kicks in, so you may completely miss the cue. The dreammasks watch for REM periods before firing cues. You could possibly use the same type of idea for starting an mp3 playing or some other such thing which would give you a better chance of hearing it while you're dreaming (if it were on repeat for instance).[/b] Yeah but: 1. I do not have money to buy intricate sensors that are activated uppon detecting your eyes are in REM-mode 2. I somehow don't have ALL that much faith in a Dreammask's light/sound cue as when you're allready Dreaming your Consciousness is rather low and you're allready very ''far away''. However if you are just falling asleep, especially in the morning when you enter REM-sleep very quickly after SP sets in, the Windchimes' noise may be easier noticed since you're not completely asleep yet. Allthough it's a one shot thing you might be able to pick it up and remember to keep awareness high when you hear that sound. Sure this idea is a Crude concept, but the basic idea is to trigger something, perhaps an MP3 on repeat to focus on, when you go into sleep paralysis and no longer have the physical strength to keep holding the light weight of the handle. It can be furtherly developed perhaps. Any ideas on this would be most welcome. Perhaps IF we can figure out a way to trigger an MP3 starting to play as you let go of the handle I've got a good Idea for what MP3 to use. I could record the Mantra in a hypnmosis-type of way. I find it easier to focus on a voice speaking words than on music. Something spoken in an easy relaxing voice like this: ''You're just lying here in bed, sleeping, while staying Conscious and aware of that you're going to Dream in a minute. Your Consciousness will be jumbled by Dreams, but all you have to do to stay fully Conscious is Listen to my voice, Focus on my Words and bear with me and you will find yourself in Wonderland fully conscious and clearminded. Lucidty is paradoxal and Nice isn't it? That's why you want to keep your attention on my Voice right?'' Etc etc... This with a simple, relaxing, smooth ambient music-sound on the background on low volume. How about that? The idea is to try and focus as long as possible on the words while falling asleep. And even when you don't succeed to focus on it all the way through the pre-sleep stages at least it would serve to put Lucid Dreaming on your Mind where it might stay in your thoughts as you fall asleep. I can see how that would improve the chances of getting Lucid: Either in a WILD type of way or in a MILD type of way. Perhaps you could do a more story like voice recording instead: Telling you a story that is very interresting, inspiring and therefor easy to Focus on. The kind of story that grabs your attention and makes you wanna know what's gunna happen next. Like a good book or movie. The story can be very Fantasy/Mythological prophetical and mystical while continuously mentioning Dreaming, Lucidity and Consciousness. However to stimulate your CURIOUSITY as to how the story will end and what happens next it is best if you ask someone else to Record a spoken story like that for you; someone openminded enough for that. I know a friend who is very much into Lucid Dreaming because of me inspiring him. Maybe I could record him such a story and he could record me such a story. I'm a 100% sure he'll absolutely love the idea and help me out with it. What about it? Anyone else any ideas on how to furtherly impove this idea's effectivity? And maybe some people willing to try some of this?

[a dude]

Ill try saying "Im just laying here" tonight and tell you what happens tomorrow.[/b] Damn, I forgot

[SKA]

Damn, I forgot [/b] Forgot that you were ''just lying there''? or to do the technique? Don't worry. You can always try again tonight. I am going to try something else tonight, but I'll get back to this soon.

[mddrago11]

I have just recently started trying to do the napping thing and everytime i have gotten closer and closer to a lucid dream at the REM state, but as a 'newbie' i always find something to grab my attention and bring me back to reality. though, about twenty minutes ago i was in what you were describing as a near-sleep trance and relaxation, but still conscious. And I am positive that what is happening is that you have kept the thought of recognizing when you are dreaming in your head long enough to take you into a lucid state of dreaming, but not REM sleeping. You go through a bunch of things that might flash through your head like i had some fat clown, a bus, tons of memories and random hillucinations. I was even to the point where my whole body fely like i was rocking spastically by waves as if i was in the ocean, but my body couldnt feel water; so, imagine the feeling of being on waves, but you are not moviing, everything around you is. crazy.. but yeah. try being more tired and what not