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Hey guys I'm new to this forum. I have been lucid dreaming for about two weeks and have already had three LD's with the MILD technique :), but I want to try WILD. Even without keeping my mind conscious I have felt the vibrations, and lightness of my body. The one question I have is, how can you tell when you transition from SP to the dream?
I did WILD during a nap I took this afternoon, and my body felt very light and I imagined it getting very heavy. Within minutes I felt like I was spinning uncontrollably in my bed, but after about a minute of that nothing happened and I became fully conscious :? Did a RC and I was not dreaming. After that I couldnt get the SP back. Could this be due to there wasn't total darkness in my room? What am I supposed to do when I start feeling like im spinning/flying?
Unless it bothers you to have any light at all, it's fine if the room isn't perfectly dark. Just whatever works for you.
As for entering the dream, you were on the right track. It's possible of that you didn't have the right balance of mind awake/body asleep. I suggest you continue trying, and find the right balance. It might take many tries, but it's definitely worth it.
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Alright thank you!:) I will keep trying this along with MILD on other nights. I'm glad to be here
Yay! I finally WILD'ed again after a bout of extreme laziness. Actually, I just took a long break and I was really busy with school.
The dream that resulted wasn't very good, but now I have a more solid grasp on what works for me.
Lol, I think you mean successful WID!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tao
Well the first time I ever had a lucid I woke up in my bed very shortly after falling asleep to find that everything but me eyes were paralyzed it freaked me out and I fought it until l I finally broke free. I lied back down and proceeded to go back to sleep only to fall right back in. it was then I said to myself "screw it, I'll just close my eyes and wake up in the morning, it'll be no big deal" and the moment I closed my eyes A world formed around me and I stood there in utter amazement as I thought to myself " holy shit I'm dreaming, cause I know I'm lying in my bed right now" that was my first discovery about lucid dreams and one of the most incredible Lucid dreams I've ever had! So with that being said, if you go into full paralysis. just start thinking about where you want to be and if all goes well like in my dreams, you'll be there faster than you can blink!Quote:
Originally Posted by burton_bean
How long does it take for sp to kick in for you, and what do you mean by making your body heavy? I heard that your supposed to ignore all external stimuli to trick your body into thinking its asleep(then your mind will folllow). I tried this today, and it was really annoying trying to ignore all physical stimuli. Itching, tickling(I have shaggy pillows), and all that other crap keeps me from maintaing a steady, mellow train of thought.
I have heard that it is important to almost go to sleep when trying to WILD, though when I am very tired I often forget what I was doing secounds before, and have a very unclear concept of what I'm doing. But I guess it's all about learning to passivly watch something well loosing everything else but awarness of that thing, in my case visualising.
Well, it's hard to tell just how long I've been laying down for. It also varies a lot, but generally, I'd say twenty minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by reapsltd666
When I say make your body heavy, I sort of mean just intensify any sensations in your body that have to do with movement. For example, if it feels like you are rolling side to side, then go with it, try to make it stronger. It's not absolutely necessary to enter SP, but it helps.
First, let me clear a common misconception. Your mind should NEVER "fall asleep" while WILD'ing. Otherwise, you'd just be falling asleep unconsciously.Quote:
Originally Posted by reapsltd666
Other than that, I find ignoring physical stimuli is not necessary at all. Do you ignore all your itches and aches while you go to sleep? I think not.
The whole point is to make the process as natural as possible. All you are doing is falling asleep, but with one little difference: you are conscious throughout the process.
Well, technically (like stated above), you should be falling asleep. Just consciously. Don't think too much about NOT falling asleep, because then you won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod
Hey,
I'm new to lucid dream but i've worked a bit to make OBE. I'm really surprised to read this technique because it's a technic to induce OBE too apparently...
Maybe i'm wrong but i used to know SP as 'vibratory phase' (not sure of the translation). When i feel the vibrations it's because i'm trying to visualize me going out of my body. I stop at the point where some parts of my body starts to go out of it because i'm really scared, and my heart, or heart chakra is beating really really quickly. But i'm really conscious while it happens, fully awake. I can't imagine dreaming when it happens because i'm feeling so much things and it seems impossible to me to fall asleep, but i didn't tried.
Anyway to get that SP i make some breathing exercices at the beginning and then visualize a white energy going into my body through the top of my head and filling it all, repairing everything, from the physic little pains to my thougts. After that to get the vibrations i usually loose my space perception and i feel like turning around myself horizontally, like a disc where the center is the navel. I focus on the energy of my body, on the sensation of it. Sometimes i try to reproduce the sensations like if i was in a lift. I think the most important thing to get vibrations is to shift your body perceptions.
Maybe i'm all wrong about that and i'm mixing two different things.
Are the 5 hours of sleep before helping to get the SP or helping to get a better dream?
The five hours of sleep I am referring to is the Wake Back to Bed (WBTB) method. You can read up on it here. It helps with many aspects of lucid dreaming, including WILD'ing.
Ah! wonderful technique. :]
I tried this last night, and this morning, actually, and I got very very close, but instead had a strange dream about trying to fight off a tornado with frozen plastic studded belts....
XD
I'm going to try this again.. now.. cause i'm exhausted. Kudos, for the clarification, by the way! =D
2 questions:
1. when i get up after 5 hours of sleeping, why do i need to get out of bed and refresh myself? isn`t it easier to get back to sleep when you still feel abit sleepy?
2. why do i need to stay perfectly still on order to attain SP and then LD?
i mean, when i normally try to fall asleep (without LDing) i dont remember not moving in my bed. so, isn`t "just trying to stay focus" enough?
You want to be somewhat awake and have a little fire burning rather than just having the pilot light lit. I've tried WILDs doing what you're saying, and I am never awake enough to remain conscious ennough through it. I jsut fall back into a regular dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcat
It helps to get out and get a little blood flowing before returning to sleep.
If it is easier for you, by all means stay in bed. The whole point of this technique is that it's very flexible, and should be altered to fit one's needs. Everybody is different.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcat
You're exactly right. It's not absolutely essential to lay perfectly still. Again, just do what works for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildcat
ya like sean said. Its not like you have to enter your bed in one position and mantain that position the entire time. If u gotta toss and turn, scratch an itch, then by all means. You r just trying to go to sleep but keeeping your mind concious throught, The geting up part is to get your self a little more aware cause when you wake up you might still be half asleep and be lke "wtf, i'm going back to sleep" and not remember about ld'ing
I have a question, might sound newbieish.
doesn't active thinking impact your ability to fall asleep? or do you just have to make sure your body is still?
This is probably the only hard part of this technique: finding the right balance of mental awareness.
The point of being mentally active is so that you don't lose consciousness once you enter SP. However, if you try too hard, you won't enter SP. I can't really tell you exactly how much effort to put in as it just isn't measurable. I'd say simple imagination should do the trick.
Thanks for the WILD technique, it soulds a lot easier than trying in the morning sleeping in or going to sleep. I should have thought of this too but it escaped my thoughts as well!
How ca you make sure it isn't disruptive to your sleep pattern though? I'd use an alarm clock obviously and I can't know what stage of sleep I'll be in when it wakes me up. Does it matter?
I will try this technique
A good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by jh477
You have to quieten your thoughts but remain aware of what's going on. Focus your awareness on as small a point as you can without dropping it. Don't even let the initial HI take up too much of your attention!
It's a tricky balance to learn. I've been at it for years and I still have to work at it!
This seems like a fairly simple way to start. I would imagine that i will have to tweak it to my standards but thank you for the post, i will definetly try this tonight.
Im finding that i have the same problem you had, none of the other WILD techniques work for me.
[QUOTE=FreeOne;741670]I've been trying to explain this for ages! I liked how you explained that you are just trying to fall asleep, not stay awake. Thats what makes WILDing so difficult for some people. They make themselves as uncomfortable as possible (not swallowing, not itching, not moving, trying to focus on just one thought), and then they get mad when they dont get SP or complete the WILD. All you need to do is do what you normally do when going to sleep, but stay conscious. QUOTE]
so you you can move and still WILD? as soon as i hit SP my feet start twitching and it pisses me off!
I'll try this as soon as I'm on summer break. But it seems I would just drift to sleep and not ever get to this light feeling point.