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      The Real (Easy) Way To WILD

      I've WILD'ed the past two nights in a row. They were my first two intentional WILD's, and they were very easy. I wish I had known how to do it the right way before, because I'd probably have hundreds of WILD's by now.

      BillyBob, some other people, and I were discussing WILD's, and how to do them. BillyBob said, "The objective is not to stay awake, but to fall asleep." At first I found this confusing, but then I knew it was very obvious. I know there are others that share the same point of view, so it wasn't just BillyBob.

      This technique is no different than falling asleep. Well, there's a small difference. You have to keep a part of your mind conscious. The easiest way to do this is to control your train of thought and imagination. Not enough to keep you awake, but not too little to fall asleep unconsciously.

      Here's what I do:

      1. Fall asleep for about 5 hours.
      2. Wake up, write my dreams down, and use the bathroom if I really need to (not necessary if you feel fine).
      3. Get back in bed and just relax.
      4. When I'm good and relaxed, I get into a position that I usually fall asleep in, which is on my stomach.
      5. Now, I just think about things. Anything (I stray away from sexual thoughts for obvious reasons). It doesn't take much effort. It's important not to move, like most WILD techniques. Swallow when you need to.
      6. There comes a point where you suddenly feel very light. You want the opposite to happen. At this point, you want to induce heaviness. Once you do, you should enter SP almost instantly (at least, that's what happens to me).
      7. Let SP play itself out, and you should be in a dream. Do a reality check. If it's not a dream, just try again. Like other WILD techniques, it's easy to get back to the point just before failure.
      The problem with all WILD techniques is that there is a very fine line between failing and succeeding. Imagine you have a ball in your hand. In front of you is a line that you must roll the ball onto. If you roll too hard, the ball goes too far. If you don't push hard enough, the ball stops short. That's exactly how a WILD is. Fortunately, once you understand what is going on, it's as easy as falling asleep.

      EDIT: Almost forgot something. The only reason this (or any other technique) would be hard is if you have a doubtful or negative view of it. The thing with lucid dreaming is that it is easy. You just have to have the right state of mind.

      EDIT 2: FreeOne brought up a good point I forgot to mention. Obviously, the steps I take might not work for some of you. Tailor it to suit yourself, but keep the core of it there. Fall asleep, but remain conscious.

      Helpful Tips:
      • When you go to bed at night, there are two things that are trying to get to sleep: your mind, and your body. In order for a successful WILD, your body needs to require sleep. So, the day before your attempt, I recommend doing some exercise/physical activity. This also means that you spend less time waiting to enter SP. About an hour of exercise is good.
      • To help yourself induce the feeling of heaviness, imagine sand bags (or other heavy objects) are being tied to your joints. This should make it easier to induce the heaviness and speed up the process.
      • I feel that it's better to concentrate on the vibrations and movement brought on my SP. Leave the dream creation up to your mind to create. However, it may not work any better for you, but I find it helps to enter the dream.
      • If the process seems to be taking too long, induce the heaviness anyways. It's possible that there's no indication for you that you are about to enter SP. This should also help speed up the process (as stated earlier)


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      I'll give this a shot tonight. I always wake up in the middle of the night, and so I always have an opportunity to attempt a WILD (and usually do try). I usually never succeed. Got really close a few nights ago though.

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      Cool, I'll print this out tonight and try it. Thanks, I'll get back to you! -BeeT

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      Okay, thanks for the replies. Just remember that with all techniques, you gotta stick with it for a while. Don't base your view of a technique on one try.
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      My biggest problem is getting further into SP. I can get really relaxed, almost to the point of falling asleep, sometimes into SP, but can't remain in it. I have a hard time finding that balance of Awake:Sleep ratio, and usually end up further on the awake side than sleep. I'll give it a go through next friday, see if It works any better.

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      BillyBob, some other people, and I were discussing WILD's, and how to do them. BillyBob said, "The objective is not to stay awake, but to fall asleep." At first I found this confusing, but then I knew it was very obvious. I know there are others that share the same point of view, so it wasn't just BillyBob.

      This technique is no different than falling asleep. Well, there's a small difference. You have to keep a part of your mind conscious. The easiest way to do this is to control your train of thought and imagination. Not enough to keep you awake, but not too little to fall asleep unconsciously.
      I've been trying to explain this for ages! I liked how you explained that you are just trying to fall asleep, not stay awake. Thats what makes WILDing so difficult for some people. They make themselves as uncomfortable as possible (not swallowing, not itching, not moving, trying to focus on just one thought), and then they get mad when they dont get SP or complete the WILD. All you need to do is do what you normally do when going to sleep, but stay conscious.

      Anyway, I liked how you explained that. I dont know so much about the steps, as I believe everyone WILDs a bit different, but all together a great guide! good job.
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      Good point, I just assumed everyone would take it and tailor it for themselves. I'll edit the post.
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      I'll attempt this tonight.

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      Cool, I'll try this tonight.
      I think it's common that all the things are the same as falling asleep normally, which is why it could be hard for some people to stay conscious while their thoughts stray further.
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      This sounds really logical. My first and only sp so far was after I gave up a wild and simply tried to fall alseep...

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      Interesting, very interesting!

      I like the idea, good point about relaxing. I will be trying this technique tonight.
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      Wow, that's really straight forward and it sounds like it'd work, I'll try it tonight!
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      Sounds good i think I'll try it if i can manage to wake up after 5 hours of sleep
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      This is just what I needed to read! I just tried to do an afternoon WILD and that's generally the mistake I make. I concentrate on just ONE thing, like counting, and if my thoughts stray I immediately try to "force" them back to counting and that seems to ruin the WILD for me anyway.

      I'll give this a shot. I just have one question: is there any way to definitively recognize the point between sleeping and waking? When I go to sleep normally, I have no trouble letting my mind wander, but before I know it - I'm asleep! How can I pinpoint that moment so I can keep my mind conscious?
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      Worth a shot
      It's alway good to see another perspective
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      Quote Originally Posted by kaeraz View Post
      I'll give this a shot. I just have one question: is there any way to definitively recognize the point between sleeping and waking? When I go to sleep normally, I have no trouble letting my mind wander, but before I know it - I'm asleep! How can I pinpoint that moment so I can keep my mind conscious?
      Thanks for the reply. To answer your question:

      For me, I suddenly feel very light and clear-headed. At this point, I induce the feeling of heaviness. Almost immediately, I feel the vibrations and enter SP. The point for you may feel different, you may need to experiment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sean999 View Post
      Thanks for the reply. To answer your question:

      For me, I suddenly feel very light and clear-headed. At this point, I induce the feeling of heaviness. Almost immediately, I feel the vibrations and enter SP. The point for you may feel different, you may need to experiment.
      Ive always wondered but ive been too lazy to post, or ask anybody about this. For me, I never 'transition' into SP.

      I dont even know if i have ever BEEN in SP, but I know for sure that Ive gotten to the vibrations and seen SOME very mild HI.

      Today, I tried to WILD during a nap, and I tried to WILD last night during a WBTB.

      I havent had any successful WILDs yet, but I think im close.

      As for the transition, I dont 'suddenly feel light' or can 'think any clearer' but it feels like, something in my brain clicks, and i 'recalibrate'. It literally feels like somebody or some divine force, turned me on one side, then turned me 180 degrees to the other side, then back on to my back. All that feeling happens in a less second.

      And it happens when i move my eyes, after them being still for a while, looking into the back of my eyelids. Ill still be 100% awake, but ill move my eye and BAMM, that 'recalibration' happens, and I get a LITTLE more numb from it.

      I never got full blown HI, or SP. Although ONCE i got Exploding Head syndrome, which infact is something real. It is a sensation combined with auditory chaos. It feels like extremely loud banging, like the world is going to end.


      Yeah, Im done rambling on.

      My main question is about the recalibration thing... what is it? And does anyone else feel it?
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      Actually yes, I've felt it before. Exactly the same way you get it, I refocus my eyes onto the back of my eyelids. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I used it as a indicator whether I was anywhere near the vibrations.

      But my recent WILD's didn't involve this sensation.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sean999 View Post
      Actually yes, I've felt it before. Exactly the same way you get it, I refocus my eyes onto the back of my eyelids. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I used it as a indicator whether I was anywhere near the vibrations.

      But my recent WILD's didn't involve this sensation.
      OK, when I've gone to sleep normally without trying to LD, I don't think I've ever experienced what you and Moe are saying.

      So, just to clarify, if I try this technique, do I let my mind wander but also concentrate on the fact that I want to enter a dream and get to that point where I "feel lighter" or "refocus my eyes"?

      What if I let my mind wander, but I try to keep it on the topic of lucid dreaming or dreaming in general? LOL. I'm just afraid that if it wanders too much, I'll be asleep before I realize that point between waking and dreaming, you know? Regardless, I'm going to give it a shot. I know all techniques work differently for everybody - I just have to find what works best for me!
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      That's exactly what you want to do, just let your mind wander but make sure you do the thinking. Don't let it stray too far off.

      Like you said, you're just going to have to find the transition point yourself, but the lightness is a good thing to look for.
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      Got it! Thanks, Sean! I'll try it tonight and report my findings.
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      Thanks for asking all thoase questions kaeraz, they where the exact same things that i was wondering. Now I think i'm really ready to try this, THANKS!

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      I tried this tonight after just about 5 and a half hours of sleep. I woke up, used the bathroom, and layed back down. I don't remember for sure how long I tried it, but I was on my side, and as I layed there, I felt myself falling asleep. I did start to dream about something, but quickly woke up, and within seconds of waking up again, I started the technique over, and this time, after a minute or 2, thinking about my last dream, I felt myself literally fall between my bed and the wall. I started to crawl out, laid on my bed for a second and then got up, and started to walk downstairs....

      The problem? I wasn't lucid. I WILDed myself right into a non-lucid dream. So I woke up after that. After about 2 hours of trying, I fell asleep again, woke up after around 15 minutes, and tried again. Within seconds I felt the vibrations, kept them going for 20 seconds or so, and could see a bright white light, taking up my entire vision, but the vibrations stopped. I did a Reality Check, but I hadn't made it into the dream

      So in Conclusion:

      1 Successful WILD into Non-Lucid Dream
      1 Almost Successfull WILD


      But, it is an improvement over the last few nights.

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      Glad you made progress, The Tao. The first scenario you described is actually the best (provides the quickest WILD's). If you briefly fall asleep but then wake up again, it's very easy to enter SP consciously. Obviously, this isn't required to do the WILD, but it helps in a way.

      On another note: GAH! I wasn't able to WILD last night. It was like I temporarily had insomnia, and my body refused to go to sleep. Even when I TRIED to sleep normally, I still couldn't. I was tossing and turning for hours.

      On the bright side, this caused me to come to a conclusion that may help some people. I'll edit my first post and add it in.
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      I tried it last night, but I don't believe I was sucessful. I'll try again tonight.

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