I don't really try to WILD. But thanks anyways.
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I don't really try to WILD. But thanks anyways.
It has worked the two times that I was able to try it properly. On the night of the first WILD, I was talking to some DV members about how to WILD. I decided that none of the techniques on here were working for me, so I started from scratch. Lo-and-behold, I succeeded using the most basic version of WILD you will probably find.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockNRoller123
After the second attempt, I was hit with a bout of insomnia. So I wasn't able to properly attempt it since. It also put me in a bit of a negative mood, lowering my chances further. I have high hopes for tonight though, I've recovered enough I think.
Hi. Do you really think its complicating things? maybe he is just trying to name the process, which is inbehind. I know, your technique works, becouse it is so simple and we were discussing it in chat, but trying to find why is the goal on its own. SKA is one of the very few asking questions and trying to make some kind of model above sensations we percieve, so when he talks about Passive awareness, i would think about it a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean999
Actually. The simplicity of your method is a two edge sword. Easy to memmorize, but harder to perform and actually understand. We should find out why this works for you? Not only how... Becouse to use techniques we need more then just the process itself.
Each technique is just a transformation from one state of mind into another. Maybe you could describe the state of mind you was in, when starting to perform the technique and also something about yourself, what you think is important....
Without this information we cannot apply your technique correctly (And it will be just trial and error for most of us). YOu should work on your technique a little bit more and should have significant anmount of results to post it here, becouse with writing it here on this forums, you have the responsibility for other people, from which majority is pretty young and unexperienced and take things for granted.
But.... I like, how you expressed another view on WILD, you described it as easy.. And actually. Thats the thing people here need to hear. So counting plusses and minuses of this thread. I would say you didnt do wrong.
Enjoyed reading. And hope we will chat further, to discuss the aspects of your technique.
I haven't tried this yet, and I will tonight, but about this "passive awareness" thing where you just control your thoughts. I guess I'm like SKA, I just can't control them. Example: I was listening to brainwave entertainment before and the thing said something like "just watch all your thoughts drift away in the clouds" so I'm like okay and then I think of myself watching all my thoughts in clouds, but then I think of my thought of watching myself in a cloud become a cloud, then that becomes a cloud, then I think of an infinite loop, and then I think of fractals, and then a pinecone and my mind just driiifts way beyond my control. By the time I realize it, the guy is saying "you are now in the border world between dreaming and...". I'm like FUCK i missed it
*rewind*
Thanks for the insight, Adraw, as always. I posted the technique in its current state in the hopes that others would try it out and post some feedback. It's very much in it's early stages, and I'm definitely working on it, still perfecting it. I thought with the help of the community, this would speed the process up.
As for my state of mind? I'm not quite sure actually. I'm glad you brought it up, I never actually paid much attention to my state at the time. I'll look into this during my future attempts.
Thanks again, Adraw. I encourage everyone to post their results, whether it be a success or failure. We could (all) still learn a thing or two.
Just keep your thoughts in check. At any point, if you find yourself wondering off, just bring your mind back to your original train of though. I find it helps if I choose a subject, and stick to that. Eg. I choose the subject of "LD'ing", and I keep my thoughts on that subject, like what I want to do once lucid, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by theSheep
As for the thought/clouds thing, you're taking it too literally I think. :p Rather than visualizing them on a cloud, just imagine them disappear from your mind. As new thoughts come in, acknowledge them, then let them go. I don't find this necessary for me, but if you think it helps, go for it.
Keep the feedback coming!
Yeah Adraw thanks for clearing that up. So much for the miscommunication I guess.
I would really like to try your method as I've been badly wanting to crack the WILD technique for easily 3 years now and your method sounds sober, straight-to-the-point and clear.
What Sheep described is so EXACTLY what I experience while trying to stay detatched from my thoughts. I've tried it in a general way and by trying to observe my thoughts as clouds, but soon enough I would catch myself having been caught up in a thought afterall. When I realise this I allmost automatically start to think about having drifted off and trying to get back on track; This again will become a Train of thought in itself. And whenever I bring myself back to my Lucid Intention it will never take long before I drift off into thoughts again. It's inCREDIBLY hard to get a grip on.
This is the grand difference between all people's minds. But I Really want to join your experiment and test this technique anyhow.
As of yet I only know serveral methods of Staying aware and they all seemed to get tackled by my chaotic mind drifting off into thoughts before I even am aware of it;
-Focussing on Breathing.
-Focus on nothing/Remaining thoughtless
-Focus on 1 thing/Remaining thoughtless( isn't this the technique you use? )
-Focus on Counting
-Focus on Hypnagogic Imagery
It is strange to know that, despite my general Attention focussing problems, I HAVE had countless (semi)consciously induced Lucid Dreams and many many more spontanious, natural lucids. Even since my early youth. I have this focussing problem in daytime aswell. I can only be truely focussed when I am Fascinated by something:
Playing Music, Piano or Percussion makes me Focussed like a Laserbeam. So does Drawing and reading information of great interrest.
Maybe I'll get back to a method of Focussing attention I once tried to help Lucid Dreaming: Singing myself asleep.
AND you've inspired me to start a Topic that will be MOST helpfull to many Dreamers that have the same Focussing problems as I do when it comes to WILD.
Excellent, good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean999
You can use this to your advantage by imagining yourself playing an instrument. In fact, I did this on my second attempt and it helped a lot. Not only are you mentally practising, you are staying focused as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKA
Sorry to say this guys, but I wasn't able to WILD last night. I must be too excited or something, or need a new position. I was also having trouble concentrating (:P), too many things on my mind.
The cool thing was that I got some Hypnagogic Hallucinations. I was almost dreaming, when one of my pet parrots nipped me on the hand, I actually felt it and jerked my real hand away. It was interesting.
I got a lucid last night, but it was a DILD, and it only lasted maybe 10 seconds, if that, cause I was really close to waking up... seems to be the common theme for me when it comes to getting lucid.
Anyway, my WILD attempts are sucking now... I keep falling asleep before I have a chance to enter SP.... I guess I'm getting TOO relaxed now...
Giving this another shot, first time failed since I only got 5 hours of sleep or so.
I tried this but once I woke up I might stay awake or I fall a sleep. It's very frustrating because I don't even released that I felled a sleep. I wake up and I'm like was I a sleep or awake. If I try to focused on making myself conscious, I don't fall a sleep. :(
I tried it out last night. After a WBTB, I did as you said, but instead of having SP, I had those... those vibrations all over my body. I haven't had vibrations in a long time so I was a bit nervous when they firstly went. I woke up and tried again... success! I let the vibrations pass, and I had an instant WILD, but it was very short though... it was very vivid. Lets see if I can do it again tonight.:)
Great job on the success, Fox Blade. As for everyone else, keep trying!
I'm still working out a good time for myself, because I wasn't paying much attention to it the first two times. I'll post any progress I make, and continue to help others out.
Keep the feedback coming!
Hey sean, is it true you have to keep absolutely still? And how long does it take to feel SP?
Yes, it's true you have to keep still. If you really have to move, do so, and don't think much about it. Just get back to WILD'ing.
For the time it takes to enter SP, it varies from person to person and from attempt to attempt. It can be quite unpredictable, but generally (I'm taking a guess here) the average time for the people on DV is twenty minutes.
Alright, cool. Thanks dude.
To those who are experiencing trouble with focusing during a WILD attempt, I'm sure there are plenty of vitamins or herbs out there which would help in the area of focus - just a thought.
Also, I attempted a WILD for the first time yesterday and after 20 minutes or so, I started feeling the vibration and a buzz in my ear. I was thinking "Great! this is what I read about!". Then after about a minute of vibrating, I suddenly started to feel like I was growing in size at an incredible rate... almost like I was being filled with air and expanding. Is this the "feeling light" experience you are talking about? At that point, my heart started beating faster and I had to breath harder and more frequently, almost like a mini panic attack. That's when I lost the buzzing and came back down to reality.
I would describe the lightness as literally feeling weightless. Almost like I suddenly lose all my mass, and is accompanied by mild butterflies.
The heart beating used to be a problem for me. All it means is that you were probably getting excited, even though you thought you were concentrating. At that point, try to concentrate on your dream body and what dream scene you want.
Thanks for the advice Sean. I'll try again tomorrow morning and post what happens.
"I got to the vibrations and I was thinking to myself, "Yes! This is it! About to enter dreamland!""Quote:
Originally Posted by kaeraz
^thats your problem right there. you feel sleep coming/a dream starting and it excites you, so you don't fall a sleep. happens to me all the time, sometimes when im not even trying to WILD, i still notice that transition coming.
you just have to keep perfectly calm and ride it out. easier said then done, of course, but once you have a few WILDs, it's easier.
good luck hombre.
Like Sean said its probably a good idea to visualize yourself playing a piece of music if this is what keeps you most focused.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKA
I find a good way to let your thoughts wonder but remain aware of them is to keep asking yourself "i wonder what my next thought will be", "what will my mind come up with next" etc and then just wait, listening for your next thought. This allows the mind to get on with its crazy thoughts while you stay conscious. Hope this helps!
As for the technique, it sounds great i'll be trying it tonight need to get back into LD'ing!! i'll report my success tomorrow.
I tried it again and I felt a sleep once again. But I was focusing a little bit how my body felt and it felt like their was a tingly sensation in my feet. I also started seeing shapes but not very clearly. So that was a small progress.
I had my third success last night (finally). I'll post exactly what I did:
- I woke up approximately 5 hours after falling asleep.
- Tried to remember dreams (couldn't)
- Got up and stretched
- Got back in bed and just listened to music and browsed DV on my iPod
- After about 30 minutes, I put my earplugs in, put my eye mask on, and got back in bed
- I was trying to find a comfortable position, so I tossed and turned a bit before I was good
- Then, to stay concentrated, I imagined myself performing concerts of my favourite songs
- After a while, I noticed that my thoughts were trailing off, and going on their own. Sort of like my subconscious was taking over. This was when I put in extra effort of staying concentrated
- Soon after that point, I entered SP, then the dream
When I was tossing and turning, not once did it cross my mind that the movement would destroy my attempt. I was just relaxed about everything, and did what I needed to do. Isn't that how you fall asleep?
What is with you guys and waking up after 5hrs? No one wants to ruin their sleep pattern by waking up in the middle/end of their sleep. Some may not be able to go back to sleep either, much like myself. I think it is a great method, because we are all different in the way we sleep. However for myself, I haven't seen a WILD tech yet where you didn't actually have to wake after ?:??. This kind of dissapoints me, but none the less I respect your method. So don't get me wrong when I wrote this, good work mate.
The reason we wake up after about five hours is because it makes induction much easier. It is known as WBTB (Wake Back to Bed). Some people can WILD before going to bed, but it is much harder. The pay off is not worth it either. The LD would be short and not as clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefooted Student
Also, after about five hours of sleep, your REM periods are much longer, allowing you to have longer, clearer LD's. In the beginning of the night, they are short.
Personally, I WBTB every night, and it doesn't affect me much, if at all.