Help me with Hypnagogic Imagery

[kiba]

Hey guys, i need some help in entering the twilight state where you can see the hypnagogic imagery, and consciously step into my dreamworld. I've been attempting this since about 3 weeks, and can see nothing but slight patterns (and these are colorless- only black and white). i stay up for about an hour and a half each night, completely still, and then fall sleep after fruitless efforts. i wish to learn this technique so i can easily lucid dream astral project. so please give me some advice; i really need it!!! any amount of help is appreciated guys. thanks in advance I've also been sleeping and waking at random times, and have a pretty messy schedule. could this be preventing me from entering the twilight zone? i also wanted to know: do u HAVE to be completely still while entering that twilight state?

[Ellipsis]

Well those random patterns you see are the first step of hypnogognic imagery. However, you might want to try focusing more on auditory hypnogognia. Check out this post for more info: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62493 That techniques seems like a good one. It didn't work for me on my first try, but I'm terrible at WILD-type techniques, so I need to practice more.

[MindDaguerreotype]

Not everybody has HI. I know that I very rarely "see" anything before sleeping. As Ellipsis said, there are other senses that may be more usefull for you, I sometimes hear people talking instead. But generally I don't have any Hypnagogic feelings at all when falling asleep on the evening (the closer I have is like daydreaming thoughs of situations, in a very abstract sense), and I have progressively more if I wake-up and fall asleep again later in the night, and in the morning. And it's not just forgetting them, because I WILD'ed at least once on each of those periods, and I entered it without any image or sound, only a falling sensation. The lucid dream then progressively emerged from darkness. When exactly are you trying to WILD ? As explained in the various tutorials, it is better to sleep a few hours before doing it. But trying for 1h30 is too much (I know, I've done this too): You're "holding to your awareness" too much which prevents you to fall asleep. The ideal is a very thin line of letting it go (to sleep) while keeping the awareness in the back of your mind, not the front (to "catch" the moment you fall asleep). If like me you don't naturally have HI, it's indeed harder to get a reference point of when this moment will happen. My strategy was to do it only on the hours when I fall asleep very fast, that is in the morning (I take hours to sleep on the evening, but on the morning when I should get up to work I suddenly tend to hit the "snooze" button A LOT ) Then I already have incoherent thoughts or real HI, and I just have to keep the passive awareness for 1 or 2 minutes. You may want to experiment at different hours to see which one is best for you.

[kiba]

Well those random patterns you see are the first step of hypnogognic imagery. However, you might want to try focusing more on auditory hypnogognia. Check out this post for more info: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=62493 That techniques seems like a good one. It didn't work for me on my first try, but I'm terrible at WILD-type techniques, so I need to practice more. Hey, thanks a lot for posting the link to that technique ellipsis. i heard about this the first time. it made me drowsier very quickly. although i could't WILD, it looks lke this can be helpful in my case. i'll give it a few more shots and see how this works out Not everybody has HI. I know that I very rarely "see" anything before sleeping. As Ellipsis said, there are other senses that may be more usefull for you, I sometimes hear people talking instead. But generally I don't have any Hypnagogic feelings at all when falling asleep on the evening (the closer I have is like daydreaming thoughs of situations, in a very abstract sense), and I have progressively more if I wake-up and fall asleep again later in the night, and in the morning. And it's not just forgetting them, because I WILD'ed at least once on each of those periods, and I entered it without any image or sound, only a falling sensation. The lucid dream then progressively emerged from darkness. When exactly are you trying to WILD ? As explained in the various tutorials, it is better to sleep a few hours before doing it. But trying for 1h30 is too much (I know, I've done this too): You're "holding to your awareness" too much which prevents you to fall asleep. The ideal is a very thin line of letting it go (to sleep) while keeping the awareness in the back of your mind, not the front (to "catch" the moment you fall asleep). If like me you don't naturally have HI, it's indeed harder to get a reference point of when this moment will happen. My strategy was to do it only on the hours when I fall asleep very fast, that is in the morning (I take hours to sleep on the evening, but on the morning when I should get up to work I suddenly tend to hit the "snooze" button A LOT ) Then I already have incoherent thoughts or real HI, and I just have to keep the passive awareness for 1 or 2 minutes. You may want to experiment at different hours to see which one is best for you. thanks for bringing this up MindDaguerreotype. i totally agree with you. there indeed is a very thin line between waking and dreaming. 90% of the time i'm trying to WILD, i wake up from that very fragile moment, where u either enter into the dream, or just stay awake. and yea, u and ellipsis are both correct that not everybody has HI, but it can be created with practice. i never really get enough sleep before attempting WILD, so that was also a good advice from u. i think if i attempt WILD with enough sleep and a regular sleeping pattern, it would bring me closer to HI. well. anyways, i'll try the auditory hypnogogia for now that ellipsis suggested and see how it goes... Hey, thanks againto both of u for replying and helping out