Sleeping Pills to WILD

[fragmastr]

Does anybody know whether taking sleeping pills can help one WILD? Right now my body feels like it's shutting down because I took them about an hour ago. I'm curious as to what the results may be if I try WILDing

[spockman]

I can't see sleeping pills help one WILD. The whole point of a WILD is to keep your mind conciouss, coherent, and aware while your body is put to sleep and enters sleep paralysis. Sleeping pills make one drowzy and certainly hinder awareness. If you're having trouble WILDing, maybe look here http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=30783 or here http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=55740 for more general LD knowledge that include WILD facts within it. In conclusion, I've never heard of sleeping pills helping with a WILD and can only imagine them increasing your chances of falling asleep entirely mid-attempt. Oh, welcome to the forums, by the way. It's good to have you.

[Brandon Heat]

If I do recall correctly sleeping pills have bee known to diminish dream recall. So be warned. However yes it could help with WILD in making you fall asleep longer. As long as you could keep conscious throughout the process.

[Shift]

This just sounds like a bad idea.

[fragmastr]

Thanks for the welcome, here are my resuls from attempting his last night. As I even posted this topic I felt super drowsy. It was about 12:30am. I went to bed and I felt heavy as a rock. I tried to just lie there for a few seconds and think about nothing, while I gathered myself to start...but this was probably a bad idea. I was too relaxed and I notcied my mind drifting away within a few minutes..I attempted to bring myself back but found it pretty hard. For a while I was in between thoughts...and couldn't bring myself to start counting breaths like I usually do. Eventually I really needed to use the bathroom. so besides how tired I was I got up and went to the bathroom, only to realize that i was already 2:08 in the night. I was like crap! I wasted time doing nothing. getting off that bed had been damn near impossible and my legs felt like jello. I went back to bed and couldn't afford to spend more time , and so I fell asleep promptly. I still feel like I could have made this work if I had made a more conscious effort to focus my mind on an anchor. My body felt like it was falling asleep even while it was awake...but my mind kept drifting as well. I'm sure it is possible though. I do recall a dream I had in the night too...quite vividly, so recalling my dreams wasn't a problem. I usually have very good dream recall.

[Misbijoux]

Sleeping pills (I rarely take them) knock me out, so there is no way they would help me WILD. Do you sleep a couple of hours before trying to attempt a WILD? I need at least 4 hours of sleep before I can even think of attempting a WILD. I'll wake about 2am, and then I am able to go from there. Either that, or I WILD in the mornings, after I have taken my kids to school and don't have class. For me, that's the best time. Good luck, and don't give up

[Dizko]

I took 'Nightol' last night because i have a cold. I remained concious for about 5 seconds after having put my head down, and i remember NOTHING. So no, sleeping tablets or medicine that makes you drowsey wont help. They make your brain fall asleep faster - not your body. So maybe a day of hard physical excersise would help you WILD - but not the tablets.

[fragmastr]

My biggest problem is that if I wake up (using my alarm clock) after 5 hours I usually can't get back to sleep, as I get too awake for some reason. I'm going to try and make a conscious effort to WILD tonight, without any pills, after about 4 hours. I figured after 2 hours might be my best bet since I'd be super sleepy, and couldn't possibly get fully awake.

[ZotC]

^ "super sleepy" is your enemy. You want to be paradoxically sleepy

[Metronome]

This just sounds like a bad idea. Nobody likese the voice of reason. You're prolly the person who said don't do that it's dangerous or don't eat that or don't stick that in there. GO SHIT ON SOMEONE ELSES PARTY

[Shift]

Nobody likese the voice of reason. You're prolly the person who said don't do that it's dangerous or don't eat that or don't stick that in there. GO SHIT ON SOMEONE ELSES PARTY You don't think that using potentially addictive and deadly drugs that aren't going to do the job anyway is a bad idea? Well you can go take a bunch of sleeping pills then... make sure to swig 'em down with some alcohol Ninny? Looks like you accidentally wrote that into my quote, silly. But it's clear that you are the ninny. Put a little thought into what this guy is talking about. Get back to off topic where you belong. Trolling, spam, and bad advice don't belong on these threads.

[lucidspark64]

what if... just what if you took sleeping pills with a can of coke! i am not recommending for anyone to try it if they wanna have a heart attack but i can only imagine the results being good. so like taking tylenol pm or something to excel your relaxation and chugging a 12oz can of coke to keep your mind awake. sounds plausible to be but i don't know if anyone should try it as for uhh the metronome... be nice...

[ZotC]

what if... just what if you took sleeping pills with a can of coke! Um... you'd be asleep while you're teeth rotted? The caffeine in a can of coke is not going to counteract sleeping pills in the slightest. You'd know this if you've ever taken any depressants yourself. A line of coke, maybe... but then again, maybe you'll just have a heart attack from mixing uppers and downers. Probably the latter more so than the former. i am not recommending for anyone to try it if they wanna have a heart attack but i can only imagine the results being good. Nothing good has ever come of taking sleeping pills EXCEPT SLEEP... and especially not lucid dreaming. Usually you wake up without having had a single dream you can recall. so like taking tylenol pm or something to excel your relaxation and chugging a 12oz can of coke to keep your mind awake. sounds plausible to be but i don't know if anyone should try it as for uhh the metronome... be nice... Tylenol PM isn't about relaxing your body... it's causes delirium in high doses, fucking up your mind MUCH more so than your body. No, no one should try it. Christ, people are dumb. Words of wisdom: NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, TAKE ADVICE ON MIXING DANGEROUS DRUGS FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS, LIKE, UH... NOT TRIED THEM THEMSELVES, AND UH... LIKE THINKS THEY'D BE TOTALLY GOOD....

[Misbijoux]

Um... you'd be asleep while you're teeth rotted? Well, I would hope he brushes his teeth before going to bed. But I do agree that mixing drugs wouldn't be a good idea. I can't see how taking a sleeping pill and caffeine would keep your mind alert. It would just give me a headache in the morning. fragmstr, any luck last night?

[ZotC]

Well, I would hope he brushes his teeth before going to bed. But I do agree that mixing drugs wouldn't be a good idea. I can't see how taking a sleeping pill and caffeine would keep your mind alert. It would just give me a headache in the morning. fragmstr, any luck last night? Right... when you speedball, you don't get to pick and choose the effects of each drug, and have a coked-up smack-nod. no, they mix and meld in stages... you're up-up-up, you're in a weird state where the two seem to counteract each other, and then you're down-down-down... Save the hallucinogens, drugs are generally not good for dreaming. Uppers won't keep your mind awake, they'll just keep YOU awake until you crash so hard you couldn't even imagine WILDing. Downers don't relax your body and let you keep your mind at full awareness, they render your cognitive faculties equally relaxed. If you use drugs, enjoy them while awake, when they work. If you want to have lucid dreams, the best course of action is to learn to naturally take advantage of your NATURAL REM cycles... a vast majority of (if not damn-near all-) drugs only suppress REM sleep.

[fragmastr]

Don't remember if I tried. I have really crappy sleeping habits. I tend to get to sleep around 2:30, and it really hinders the amount of darkness I get.

[Songbird]

what if... you did some coke... and just as you were going out you drank some coffee to keep you up... and then used a muscle relaxant... but then drank a redbull... and THEN tried to WILD?

[fragmastr]

Wild ind33d. You would probably collapse into your bed in spasms..(You would think they were vibrations of sleep paralysis). Then you would die, lol...and be in the afterlife thinking you were lucid dreaming.

[Mad Stratter]

Wild ind33d. You would probably collapse into your bed in spasms..(You would think they were vibrations of sleep paralysis). Then you would die, lol...and be in the afterlife thinking you were lucid dreaming. it might work, but you'd have to take some klonopin to prevent seizures, and some LSD to conteract the klonopin, and then smoke some DMT to top it all off, and wash it down with a nice tall glass of maker's mark

[Shift]

Yea you could probably induce an OBE for a split second if you shot yourself in the head, too

[lucidspark64]

Um... you'd be asleep while you're teeth rotted? The caffeine in a can of coke is not going to counteract sleeping pills in the slightest. You'd know this if you've ever taken any depressants yourself. A line of coke, maybe... but then again, maybe you'll just have a heart attack from mixing uppers and downers. Probably the latter more so than the former. Nothing good has ever come of taking sleeping pills EXCEPT SLEEP... and especially not lucid dreaming. Usually you wake up without having had a single dream you can recall. Tylenol PM isn't about relaxing your body... it's causes delirium in high doses, fucking up your mind MUCH more so than your body. No, no one should try it. Christ, people are dumb. Words of wisdom: NEVER, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, TAKE ADVICE ON MIXING DANGEROUS DRUGS FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS, LIKE, UH... NOT TRIED THEM THEMSELVES, AND UH... LIKE THINKS THEY'D BE TOTALLY GOOD.... uhh yeah why do you think i never suggested it. i knew i should never have put that cus ppl like you are like "blah blah... stupid!" anyway... incase you people haven't heard i just looked into something that may be more effective. taking around 100mg of b12 or b6 supplements has been known to increase dream recall, vividness, and for some people, dream awarness. i can't imagine what would happen if you took it with sleeping pills though... i wouldnt. researchers have said that it has been most effective with WILD and MILD since the supplements seem to react quickly. if you dont wanna "pop-pills" then i would suggest looking up foods that have them such as banannas, cereal, cheese, oranges, etc. if you do wanna take them with sleeping pills, be my guest. i'm not recommending it though. people also wouldn't recommend more than 250mg a day. let alone taking them every single isn't good for you either with the right dosage.

[Shift]

uhh yeah why do you think i never suggested it. i knew i should never have put that cus ppl like you are like "blah blah... stupid!" anyway... incase you people haven't heard i just looked into something that may be more effective. taking around 100mg of b12 or b6 supplements has been known to increase dream recall, vividness, and for some people, dream awarness. i can't imagine what would happen if you took it with sleeping pills though... i wouldnt. researchers have said that it has been most effective with WILD and MILD since the supplements seem to react quickly. if you dont wanna "pop-pills" then i would suggest looking up foods that have them such as banannas, cereal, cheese, oranges, etc. if you do wanna take them with sleeping pills, be my guest. i'm not recommending it though. people also wouldn't recommend more than 250mg a day. let alone taking them every single isn't good for you either with the right dosage. links to papers? I'd like to read up!

[skywatcher]

I have had insomnia off and on for years so I take Ambien from time to time. In my experience, it helps *a lot* with WILDing. I would never recommend anyone use it for that purpose, however, since they can be addicting.

[fragmastr]

Ahh, so they can help. I just couldn't as, it wasn't that I fell asleep super quick...it's that I couldn't focus or concentrate enough. *shrugs*. The pills I tried were "Simply Sleep", by the makers of Tylenol. The box claims that the pills are non-habit forming (not addictive). I used to use them to help with my insomnia, as they helped to regulate my sleep, and never noticed any addiction. It did help me to fall asleep in better time for weeks after using them, until I messed up my sleeping patterns staying up all night again. This vitamin stuff sounds usefull, however? But how can it really affect WILDS...is it just a placebo? WILDS I think just take determination

[Misbijoux]

fragmstr, in my opinion, don't do any kind of drugs or pills to induce lucid dreams. In my experience, it never really works. I guess, it could work for you, but why risk it, ya know? Do the silly things people say that work, like drinking apple juice or chocolate milk before going to bed. Or just relaxing, and not expecting anything to happen. Sometimes, it works for me. Spend like four hours reading posts on here, and you might get a lucid dream. Spend some time reading on the "tasks of the month" or people's dream journals, and you might get lucid. It always works for me. The biggest thing, don't try too hard!!