I have a another one: false evidence appearing real. Also fits better into this thread. :roll:
I have a another one: false evidence appearing real. Also fits better into this thread. :roll:
Or better yet! "Real evidence appearing false"Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmCoder
sorry if i wasnt clear, i thought other people were doing that to you. doesnt matter anyway. it just seemed the thread has gone along way without anyone offering any kind of practical advice on pineal opening. i can have a look for some old pdf files and links for you. give us a minuteQuote:
Originally Posted by youngjedi
I can only speak from experience, I opened mine while high. For long I had been experience "tingling sensations" between mye eyebrows, just by placing focus there. So I started to meditate, and started feeling a flow. Sometimes I would meditate, and just have a "delightful" pulse filling me with energy.
When I did have it fully open, it lead to headaches which made it hard to sleep in the beginning.
There was no "scary imagery". The only thing I fiddled with was intuition, and watching things get morhped when I focussed with the area where the third eye is, which wasn't scary at all. I never tried to meditate on it properly, because I have problems meditating because of a back problem.
What happened was, as I see it, when I'm high I'm able to regulate and amplify the FLOW of energy itself. By "pulling and expanding" the focus, it seems like the flow became much stronger than what I was able to handle, and it straight out HURT, probably because I have some blockages. It included heavy pressure, head (crown/third eye) feeling heavy and intense flashing from the area that pulses (dunno if this has anything to do with what's called epileptic seizures).
No, I was not "able to snap out of it" or close the chakra in the state I was in, though I guess that's easy when you're not high. The more I resisted, the worse the "flashing" got, the more "panicky" I got. Last time I tried "expanding" the flow, it almost lead into a panic attack.
I have to say that I know I don't really have a very open root chakra, and have compensated by stimulating the upper ones. If you do have open chakras, there would probably not be that kind of pressure, because you send the energy straight down. If you end up being panicky, your root closes even more down, and you can feel overwhelmed by the experience.
I've opened before and had it open, though not using it actively, but I started to think more and feel less in the same period, and got more paranoid and a LOT more sensitive to (others) emotions. Coincidence? Perhaps, but I think not.
That being said, I still want to have it open and use it sometime, but clearing out blockages and getting properly grounded is way more prioritized.
Go ahead and do want you want if you can handle it, life's an illusion after all.
Yes, that reminds me - there used to be some interesting PDFs called the suneye method. I am sure google knows where they are...
thanks frozenlime (mmmmmm) great response. so was that just high on a smoke? its things that you mention like the pains and i get dizzy sensations, that make me think that there are certain factors in place which will naturally stop you going too far before you are ready. thats why i dont think there is too much harm can be done from such practices unless you try to force it. i think ive been more grounded lately but its hard to tell. the questions in my original post were not rhetorical, i really am curious to know what people think can happen, positive and negative. aswell as the higher meditations, are there any threads round here with good grounding tips?
ive not read it all myself, but apparently this file Awakening-The-Third-Eye.pdf by samuel sagan has some great info
its available all over the net if you do a search
the guide here also looks pretty helpful
http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles...-rmueller1.htm
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Originally Posted by youngjedi
One method that will make your third eye open really fast, is to keep attention on your breath 24/7. There are many ways to go about doing this, but the easiest way is to count your breaths, so you notice when you lose attention the moment you lose count. It's not easy to talk to people and count your breahts at the same time, but is possible nonetheless. This advantage of this method is that you can do it anytime, anywhere.
Another method is tantric sex. Instead of cumming you redirect the sexual tension to your third eye. There is an energy channel running from your genitals to your third eye, and you can use this to redirect the energy, it runs along your chest. Not only will your third eye open, but it will also prevent you from cumming and you will have full body or mental orgasms instead. Basically it comes down to redirecting the muscle contraction. I do practise this while wanking as I don't have a girlfriend. This method works pretty good and is by far the most fun to do as the fun increases the better you get at it.
Another method is extreme sexual tension. Don't touch or have sex, just pure teasing. Extreme excitement activates the third eye. Even extreme fear, so watching thrillers is also helping.
Yet another way is alot of public attention. Say working in a restaurant, will also open your third eye as everyone their attention is on you. This also helps to active the third eye. Staring and being stared at. Embarassing social situations will also give your third eye a jolt and blast it open. When you got nervous, it is indeed the nervous system which is controlled by the third eye, which is being activated. For example when you are holding a speech in front of the class.
Another method of opening the third eye is staring into the sun. Eventho this method is very effective, it is taboo as people believe this will damage your eyes. So kids, do not try this one at home unless if you do not care if your eyes will fall out.
The third eye, is an electromagnetic receiver and sender, as evidenced in animals like cows and pigeons.
Cows Really Do Have a Magnetic Sixth Sense | Wired Science | Wired.com
ScienceDirect - Brain Research Bulletin : Electrophysiological evidence for central nervous connections of the pigeon's pineal gland
As the third eye is an electromagnetic receiver and sender, it can not only be used to manipulate and sense your own field, but also the field of others. What spirituality perceives to be the aura, might be a finer form of what science calls the electromagnetic field surrounding the body.
Electromagnetic theories of consciousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What I'm trying to say here is that if you understand the purpose of the third eye, you can use it in real life, and activate it that way, without meditation. Cows and pigeons and most likely many other animals have it naturally activated and are using it, so why can't we? If your arm muscles are numb, how do you reactivate them? Simply by using them again. Same thing with the third eye. This is not magic hocus spocus like spirituality likes to claim, this is a natural mechanism of the mind, this is future science. Using spiritual terms is only confusing people. It makes people think this is magic, while the truth is, it is our natural ability. You are already using your third eye, find out how, and then go from there, invent your own methods adjusted to your personal life and habits.
Hmm, interesting stuff ChaybaChayba. Though that tantric sex thing is... weird. xD But yeah, you have a point. Sometimes the simplest things are the best. I ended up reading some of the pdf whiterain mentioned last night, and it was very interesting. That author also makes connections between sexuality and the third eye. Anyways... I did one of the exercises right before bed and I did feel a couple of sensations, but it was a better relaxation technique than anything else. Not that that's a bad thing! I always seem to gloss over relaxation techniques, but every time I do one I think, "This is nice, I should do this more often." :P I really think I will though, every night before bed. I seem to sleep better if I relax first. I'll get in the habit of doing that before I go too much farther, since it really seems like I try too hard sometimes.
You guys are talking about opening a pineal gland. What the hell are you talking about? Open a gland? You are confusing a gland with a chakra. Do you know what it means to open a chakra? What are you trying to achieve? What do you expect to happen to you when you "open" your pineal gland? Are you planning on having some kind of experience?
What I said about Nikola Tesla is true. you think that I am judging him because he was crazy. But I am not. He was a genius, but he was not enlightened. That is my point. He was inventing weapons of mass destruction. That is one reason why he his inventions were confiscated. A genius he was, but he was unstable. And that can be dangerous, especially for paranoid governments bent on world domination. He wasn't loyal to any one country so he was taken down. Einstein was loyal to the U.S.A and he became a hero. I don't blame Tesla for that, though. But making weapons of mass destruction I don't like. But he had great ideas and the world would have been a better place if he was allowed to make free wireless electricity. But look at HARP technology, that was all what Tesla was also working on, and that stuff is no good. All those birds that fell out of the sky recently and all those fish that turned up dead, all that is HARP experiments using Tesla's inventions.
He was crazy. I am sorry of he is your hero and you think I am slandering him, but he is not perfect. He was not enlightened. And you should just let your pineal gland be the way it is instead of trying to be something that you are not that you don't understand. If you are having cool experiences from practicing WILD and you like it, then keep up with it. But drop all the confused "borrowed" information that you have read and just work with your own experiences rather than trying to be like Tesla. Be you and grow from who you are.
Im pretty sure that no one here wants to end up like Tesla! However that doesnt mean that people do not want to reach "supreme consciousness". What you wish to do with it once you reach that mind state is up to you! You can use it for good or evil, you can take the Einstein route or you can take the Hitler route. There is nothing that is stopping you from being as smart as Thomas Edison, Isaac Newton or Einstein, or as creative as Salvador Dali or Jimi Hendrix but your own personal intent to expand your mental knowledge! If you wish to keep using 10% of your brain and working a 9 to 5 job by all means, continue!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
Let love and peace overcome the greed and love for power!
lol Dannon...when I first saw this thread I remember thinking..."opening it with what? ...a scalpel?" Let's keep the pinealectomies for the doctors to perform. :chuckle: There is so much misinformation in this thread it's frightening...which is why I merely suggested that the OP get a book and read it. Gain some real knowledge, you know? Stop listening to the bull people spew on the internet. Most people think they are right about a lot of things...but sadly they are often very mistaken. I've made this mistake plenty of times, which is why I am very careful to check my sources anytime I am going to share information. I consider it an obligation to attempt to find the most truthful information on any given subject, however most people on the internet seem to have disparagingly low standards of acquired information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
why not provide some good information of your own then rather than just all the ridicule? the guy is only asking for advice on how to better activate your visualisation and perceptual abilities. ok alot of the terminology and ideas may sound silly to those of you who seem know all about this stuff, but when you look for ideas on how to improve visualisation you find people everywhere telling you that pineal gland/third eye activation is the way to do it. if the misinformation is so bad why not at least correct it according to how you see it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
I couldnt of said it better myself, Thanks! Apparently to get the information i need i would have to move to a shrine in Peru haha! I thought about the question i had asked and realized i asked it on the wrong site cuz if the people here understood or experienced what i am talking about they would no longer be in on a website that portrays dreams as just being part of ones "imagination" and just something to have fun with. Its kinda sad really, I personally dont plan on being here much longer myself. Just waiting for my "breakthrough".Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterain
Ok, first let me apologize if you guys felt that I was ridiculing you. I suppose this wasn't the proper place for my little internet misinformation tirade that has been building up for awhile. :P
whiterain to answer your question as to why I haven't bothered to correct the bad information...it is only because, there is a lot of it...and it would take a lot of time and effort for me to address all the issues properly. But more specifically, I did not want to get drawn into an argument with a certain member who has replied in this thread, because I have come to realize that it ends up being a huge waste of everyone's time.
But even if I spent hours collecting information and putting together a well thought out and informative thread, would any of you even listen to me? Would it be worth my effort? I guess that's the biggest concern for me. It seems like some of you are content believing what you want to believe, or what you hear from others, regardless of whether or not it is accurate information.
haha i know the feeling ive been struggling alot with that myself lately. there are only so many deep breaths you can take before it has to come out. i often write something out and then realise im being harsh and delete it. i appreciate your response and i know what you mean when you say it is a massive subject that would take a long time to cover, just jedi seemed like a switched on chap who was after a little advice. if you ever did decide to write it up let me know id love to have a read :) have a good night/dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
ahh stick around mate its one of the best places ive found. i dont think the majority of experienced people here write of dreams as simply imagination, but even if they do thats only because that is the sum of their experience so far. you may want to try some of the beyond dreaming and astral/meditation forums elsewhere as they would be more appropriate for such questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngjedi
Ya this site really does have alot of information and has helped me out more than anything else iv read up on. I have looked into those forums but its still not exactly what im looking for. I just think its ignorant not to have a religious forum or spiritual forum when your focusing on the subject of dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterain
Religion/SpiritualityQuote:
Originally Posted by youngjedi
If you want to activate your third eye, start with a balanced approach and strive to activate ALL your chakras. Be a spectrum like a rainbow. We are a rainbow bridge between heaven and earth. Lucid dreaming, meditation, and breathwork are the techniques I find to be the best. And yoga in order to stay relaxed and have energy flow through the body smoothly. I said before in this thread that the pineal gland relates to the crown chakra, not the third eye. Hence the crazy out of body universal consciousness that may be attributed to the DMT in the pineal gland. The pituitary relates to the third eye. But they are very close together in the brain also near the hypothalamus, hence I understand the confusion. There is a meditation done with breathing that activates both. The feeling of tingling in the forehead is not what one is after. This is attention focused on the sinuses, which is not the pineal or pituitary gland. I will try to find a picture, then explain the meditation. Keep in mind that it is advanced and one needs to keep balance with all the other chakras. That is why Aquanina says it is a vast subject.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xoBIPoObed...nealcolors.gif
http://janagroscost.com/images/Pinealgland.jpg
The meditation:
Find where your cheek bones meet the front of your ears and imagine a horizontal line going through your head between them. Now vizualize a line going from between your eyebrows and intersecting them. That point of intersection in the CENTER of your head is where you focus.This spot is a hollow space about the size of a walnut. Breath in. Now breath out VERY slowly (imagine that if there were a candle flame under your nose it wouldn't flicker, that is how slow you breathe out). Imagine you are breathing out through this space.
If you are imagining too far forward in the head, you will feel sensations in your sinuses. This is NOT what you are going for. If you imagine too far back you will feel sensations in the back of your head. Too far up and you feel sensations on the top of your head. The feeling you are looking for is a melting sensation in the center of your head that then flows through your whole body and brings deep relaxation. Do this for a half hour minimum. Throughout the day breathe normally as you go about your day-to-day affairs but keep your attention in this spot as much as you are able.
The most important chakra if you are going to focus on one exclusively though is your heart chakra.
Good luck and don't worry about Tesla or God consciousness. You don't want to be greedy for experiences because that causes tension and is counterproductive of your aims. Enjoy and trust the process. A flower blooms when it is ready. You just need to water the plant and fertilize it and it blooms in its season. If you rip the flower open before its season it dies. Yogis spend many lives patiently working towards God consciousness. Maybe this is the lifetime you will achieve it, maybe not. If there was some trick for teenagers to achieve it from information on the internet we would all be Gods. We all are, but you know what I mean I hope.
I also hope you realize that I am not ridiculing you in order to put you down or discourage you. I am just trying to show you that there is so much misinformation and that you have to be patient and not expect some crazy experience that will transform you into a god. Enlightenment is very down to Earth experience and it is important to work on seeing beyond your ego, not to fly to other realms and see hallucinations and fractal angelic waking visions. This is what lucid dreaming is for. And psychedelic drugs, namely LSD, DMT, and mushrooms. I prefer psilocyben mushrooms to find the teacher within. But of course I am not advocating illegal activity.
Thanks sir, i was looking for that! If it is possible to move this thread to that category I would greatly appreciate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMoney
exceptional post dannon cheers. my psilo cubensis should be grown in about a couple of weeks and they're my favourite too ;)
whoa there is a name for it? cool. Me and my sister think in image. Sort of like the way you do when you day dream. Idk its hard to explain. I know plenty of people who think in words. And i know tons bilinguals who think in 2 different languages (depending on the time and place and situation). Lol i kind of survey my friends.
I typically think of words. When I hear people say stuff, I don't envision what it represents, but rather what the word looks like. For instance, when someone says "dog," I don't see the image of a dog - I see the letters D, O, and G and understand those.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazillion