If this thread has to be merged, then by all means, do so, but I presumed that making a new thread that's an extension of the previous experiments would help with seeing some progress.
In the previous experiment (here), it did not provide ANY substance in validating the potential of shared dreaming occurring, since the objective was attempting to find me, or one relying on vague associations from their minds in an attempt to presume what the password might be.
This same mechanism that we followed in the first shared dreaming experiment for this year set by Mindraker seemed to be something of a precognitive attempt instead of actually trying to have "shared dreams."
In the previous experiment that I derived from that first experiment, I tried to be the person who would try to make "synchs" with 3 participants, and that anyone else would be welcomed to participate as control variables to have something to differentiate.
You can find the thread here (It's really not that hard to find):
Sivason ended up being 50% right in guessing the password. Did this prove Shared Dreaming? Definitely NOT, but it did show some potential in how that collectively, the participants were able to utilize Biology as a grand archetype to get something.
There was a case where 2 out of the 3 participants and 1 control variable that had scenario with an entity dubbed, Lizard Man.
From that abnormal event, I also had a dream about the Lizard Man, and then another person (Woodstock) seemed to dream about Lizard Woman
Could have those events occurred based on everyone going,"@#%#$% this is crazy?" Probably. :P
My data clearly showed I didn't make any sort of synchs (environment and interaction related). That's completely my fault, especially since I tried using presumptive ideas of what constitutes as a shared dream.
Okay now...what's below is just stating the steps in doing the experiment.
(I'm copying this from a previous thread because I figured that it would be better to make a new thread with new set of participants or even some of the same ones that participated)
This is just another thread for the previous shared dreaming experiment.
To be consistent with what was done, here is what Mindraker posted:
· After tonight, I'm going to pick a password from my Collins German-English Dictionary · This dictionary-selected password will be kept secret for a month · I'll still post the password I used from last night tonight at 10 PM · The password I'll select in the future will be selected by means of a random number · I'll take a timestamp of the random number and the time I took the timestamp · We'll do this for 30 days, starting tonight at 10 PM EST · We're not doing a search in a cathedral anymore for the word, we're just looking for the object.
Here's what I'll be doing:
TONIGHT, I will pick a password from my Biology Book:
"Campell Biology: Ninth Edition"
by Reece, Urry, Cain, Wasserman, Minorsky, Jackson
I know it isn't a dictionary, but it has a glossary, so hopefully this is good enough?
I'll be using the same website that Mindraker used to pick the number of the page within the book.
How I'm going to do this?
1. Use the random number generator website: >>>>Link here <<<<
2. I'll make a time-stamp just like Mindraker did, and also keep a picture with the number I picked AND the timestamp from the same site Mindraker used: >>>>The official US time (NIST & USNO) <<<<
3. We'll be doing this for 30 days, just like the previous experiment (I will do my best to have my Dream Journal Entries ending with SDE Pt. 2 (Day: XX).....Example: Tacos and Sniper Shooting SDE DAY: 01 )
(SDE standing for Shared Dreaming Experiment of course :) )
No location, you will be looking for the object/password.
Also, it would be ideal to have 1-3 people participate (excluding me).
For those 1-3 people that want to participate, they will use a format like this:
[B]Password:[/B]
[B]Lucid:[/B]
[B]Time spent asleep:[/B]
[B]Significant Dreamsigns;[/B]
(The format was made from a post of dutchraptor's)
(EDIT: You can also link your dream journal entry if you have one online as well)
(Password shared dreaming experiment)
2. What I plan to do to add on to this experiment is simply have another format with the other one where the participants and even control variables state the overall environment(s).
It's not going to be a detriment to the experiment
The format that I request along with the one above is:
Environment(s) Description:
For Example, this is how each attempt from participants and control variables should be:
[B]Password Given?:[/B] Yes, *insert presumed password here* or No
[B]Lucid:[/B] Yes/No
[B]Time spent asleep:[/B] Give an estimate...it doesn't have to be nano-second exact
[B]Significant Dreamsigns;[/B] flowers, blonde female, red dragon (If you didn't recall anything, just state "No Dream Recall/I don't remember anything/etc.
Environment(s): Green hills, Large Ocean, Sky City
I know that these could just fit into dream signs, but I just want participants to use this just to see if there were any potential "synch" or "meshes"
I know there's always the possibility of coincidences, etc., but speculating on that alone will get us nowhere.
You can even extend a bit on the overall environment(s), but try to make it short, like 1-3 sentences short for each.
By Overall...I really mean that as a very broad term
Note, for the dream signs, try to keep them short and sweet. The purpose of dream signs -----> (here)
Last time, I used a Biology Book, this time, I want to use an Organic Chemistry Book.
How I'm going to do this?
1. Use the random number generator website: >>>>Link here <<<<
2. I'll make a time-stamp just like Mindraker did, and also keep a picture with the number I picked AND the timestamp from the same site Mindraker used: >>>>The official US time (NIST & USNO) <<<<
3. We'll be doing this for 30 days, just like the previous experiment (I will do my best to have my Dream Journal Entries ending with SDE Pt. 2 (Day: XX).....Example: Tacos and Sniper Shooting ( SDE Pt. 2 DAY: 01 )
Also, some important mentions that were part of previous experiments:
No location, you will be looking for the object/password.
Also, it would be ideal to have 1-3 people participate (excluding me).
So for the new book related to Organic Chemistry:
Organic Chemistry, 8th Edition
John E. McMurry Cornell University
ISBN-10: 0840054440
ISBN-13: 9780840054449
1376 Pages Hardcover (Excluding the Preface, Table of Contents, Glossary, Index, and other Sources, the important content is really just 1262 pages.
Previous Editions: 2008, 2004, 2000
This is the loose-leaf version, but it's the same thing:
(Central Daylight Time (CDT) -0500 UTC) is my timezone.
I try to sleep around 9PM-11PM every day, and I hope that those participating and are control variables state their timezones, and can give a general time range they sleep each night.
The major flaw with this is that if I'm attempting to "synch," the ideal timezones would have to be within the United States, but anyone beyond that region are still free to be control variables.
If at least one participant is in the United States, that would be just perfect, the rest can be from anywhere. It's just for the sake of trying to "synch" into each others dreams, nothing more...just "meeting" each other and hopefully exchange what the password is.
The Password will be Two Words, just like before, (It was "Golden Mayfly")
Also, to really push the attempt for "synchs," even though this introduces the possibility of projections of the participants, PARTICIPANTS ONLY (not the control variable participants) have the option to PM me a general overview of their character.
It doesn't have to be too personal, just simple things like (and most of this is based from the IOSDP section):
Hobbies
Overall Personality (In Dreams And/Or Waking Life)
Color of Hair, eyes, Height
Gender (well that's obvious)
That's just a basic format, you can state whatever you feel comfortable with to me, and I will keep it just between EACH individual for obvious reasons. I'm not going to abuse any general information you give me for this experiment. I will give you a general idea of who I am as a whole and what my hobbies, etc. are as well.
Remember, it's optional, but it's highly suggested that participants do this for the sake of the "synching" part.
And with that, if there's any questions on the format, please feel free to tell them here.
For now, I already have the password set, and the picture of when I took the random generator test WITH the timezone site.
So until I get 3 Participants who believe they will be committed to a 30-day run of this experiment, things will just be neutral....for now.
And if you do participate, don't stress out, it's just following a format to help organize what you dreamed about. The burden will be placed on the person synching, which is me. Participants are free to try and find me, since I'll be trying to find you as well.
But for the Control Variables, I will not be finding you, you are free to find me.
And presumptively, if the control variable and me had conditions that somewhat defines a "shared dreaming," I will give you the password if you ask me.
And here's a picture of me so participants and even control variables have something to work around with.
Let's have fun, and hopefully continue to make small stepping stones to hopefully see things to work on to make formats that are consistent.
Note: I believe that shared dreaming is possible, but I'm not here to preach it to you. Everyone has their own belief on the matter, this is just an attempt to DO something to increase the likelihood that it may be possible.
I know the experiment itself is not perfect, and will need a lot of things to be worked on, but it's just a stepping stone. Whatever results may come of this, see this as a STEPPING STONE to both Critics And Believer's debate on Shared Dreaming to work on.
:)
And with that, feel free to post if you're willing to participate. There's one person I know who was interested in this before, so they are still on the queue unless they don't want to participate.
The first two that are willing to join will be added, and then we'll have three participants to work with.
The rest will just be control variables.
I wish everyone luck! :)
EDIT:
Here's the photo of when I got the page number from the random.org site. It's just part of the whole picture, and the page number and word I picked is not here. The password is based from the word and its definition.
I just want to have something light, fun and friendly to think about as I drop off to sleep every night. I don't want to work hard. "U" are that little bird that came to me in that lovely "false awakening" I had in your "Password Shared Dreaming Experiment Part 1"
Here's that lovely dream again:
False awakening
Woke and there was a slim bird flying in my bedroom. My bedroom was too big but I took that for granted.
I wanted to catch the lovely little bird to release it. The beautiful little bird began flying slowly so I could reach out and take it from the air.*
It didn't struggle. It felt lovely to gently hold. I brought it to my body so it would feel safer.
I opened my bedroom door, walked down the boarding house hallway to the courtyard. I held you up (Linkzelda) and you flew in a lovely slowmotion-way onto the clothesline.
You kind of went smaller. I have never seen that type of bird before.*
I was awake and thinking about that lovely false awakenkng dream when I realised it was you.
It is now 11:11 am here now. (Thursday 16-August-2012).
If there can be an unlimited number of "control variables" then I'll be one of them, please.
I'll just think of my "little bird" as I go to sleep then record whatever I remember (in my dream journal here on dreamviews) when I wake up.
At the end of this psi-dream game when you reveal the password I will look back through my dreams and see if I "hit".
I will listed to this our dream-theme tune before I sleep too.
10-04-2012, 01:13 AM
Mindraker
I wish you the best of luck with this! I'm going to be a little busy (and exhausted) in the upcoming weeks, so I don't know if I'm going to be the right choice for this session.
10-04-2012, 02:50 AM
Indeed
This is a fascinating way of studying shared dreaming, but I think that there needs to be more to it than a simple two-word password.
If it were possible to have aa token of some sort eith it's own password (or name or whatever) and make sure it has something that can be perceived in any of the five senses.
What I'm getting at here is that it needs to be more than words. It needs to be something you can feel, smell, taste, etc. in order to make it more memorable and easier to communicate.
10-04-2012, 02:52 AM
Woodstock
I'll do it again, this time from the beginning. This time something will happen :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkzelda
From that abnormal event, I also had a dream about the Lizard Man, and then another person (Woodstock) seemed to dream about Lizard Woman
I saw Lizard Woman the first time the night before I saw your thread, so it was probably a coincidence.
10-04-2012, 03:36 AM
Linkzelda
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indeed
What I'm getting at here is that it needs to be more than words. It needs to be something you can feel, smell, taste, etc. in order to make it more memorable and easier to communicate.
This is undermining the fact that it's apparent that in our dreams, our brain can give a pretty convincing stimulation of those senses, and based on one's suggestibility, just because of heightened senses, it does not mean it's necessary to figure out as simple two-word password.
We're trying to take baby steps here, in the experiment Mindraker set up, it's blatantly put out there that some people thought that adding more exceptions to an already simplified method would end up in chaos and possibly just a precognitive endeavor.
When you state that you utilize these senses to manifest a more compact and intense recall for the sake of ease of communication, you also have to realize that this adds way too many exceptions.
-Are those simulations of the 5 senses (and more) enough to prevent the possibility of it just being fabricated and false?
Unless you've read the results from the last experiment, which I made an Excel file for the participants and control variables, the simplicity of a two word password itself proved to be some potential.
Quote:
If it were possible to have aa token of some sort eith it's own password (or name or whatever) and make sure it has something that can be perceived in any of the five senses.
Then the experiment would be focusing on the object that may be the medium of figuring out the password, and this is also placing a belief on an object rather than the person attempting to synch with other people.
Placing faith just on an object, and expect that it gives you these senses that can clue you in on the password completely eradicates the purpose of the experiment itself.
That type of objective promote a false endeavor in attempts to have precognitive dreams.
We are not trying to have precognitive analysis, we are trying to have shared dreaming analysis.
This means there has to be interaction with a being, if it's just an object, that introduces the possibility of that object releasing even more vague metaphors, which makes the whole desire to try and find mechanisms to have consistent results in interaction.
Now, if a person who is trying to "synch" with others has the object and gives it to that person personally (presumptively), then sure, your planning seems valid. But then again, there's no need to give them the object when the objective is to simply try and communicate to the person.
Now, how one communicates with that person ties in with the possibility that this is just a psi, or telepathy endeavor....and that itself has stinging debates that don't need to be introduced. It's just simply meeting someone in the dream state through the "synch" attempts.
Now, if you want to add perplexing motions stimulated by several senses, you have to take into account that our minds are way more clever than to abide by simple measures....one prime example, false awakenings. And also, it's fairly common sense that how the participants recall that dream is up to their own bodies, it's not that difficult to practice dream senses, there's many guides related to just that.
This experiment is attempting to make things as simple as possible (just following the format if you were lucid, what password was given, if it was given, time spent asleep, etc.).
This isn't supposed to be a revolutionary method, it's just being created to be simple as possible. Now as we come to the end of the experiment, the results itself guides us to other things to try out.
But honestly, the experiments themselves stems from the idea of passwords, and beings, people, to try and communicate giving that password, to imply that there may have been a shared dream.
Putting faith on a token, or any other object, without a being, a body vessel, makes the whole experiment useless.
It would be just finding the object rather than meeting the person. That is not abiding to the presumptive nature behind shared dreaming, which is simply the purpose of meeting a human being in the dream state, NOT an object you place faith to sublimate or trigger your "senses." Even though there can be possibilities of projections of the person you're finding, at least it's some attempt from the unconscious and subconscious to find a connection to meeting that person.
How a person collects those senses to make a strong memory from it is not rocket science. Generally, the subconscious works ideally through images rather than words, now how that person makes meaning to that is their interpretation from those broad visuals....and that itself is something they are responsible for.
If that weren't the case, than how could they recall it? I'm sure sight of words isn't enough, because there can be random collections of words in dreams. How that person can filter them out to try and find clues to the password and possibly finding the person with the password is sufficient.
Just need one more person, and control variables can come in at any time when we do have 3 participants.
10-05-2012, 05:45 AM
Sivason
Hi Link! I will try again. The last one was fun. I think getting a password is hard enough, we have the entire English language to attempt and pick out a word or two. Hell of a challenge, just that in itself.
10-05-2012, 06:02 AM
Linkzelda
1. Woodstock
2. CloudOFmichael
3. Sivason
----------------Cool! I guess we can start tomorrow night, since it's like 11:58 PM. :P
I wish you three luck!
10-06-2012, 05:57 PM
Linkzelda
Ugh, some horrible dreams last night and this morning....ugghh I can't even believe I have one of them mentioned in a DJ entry....whatever....
Password Given?: No Lucid: No Time spent asleep: ~8-9 hours Significant Dreamsigns; Eva, blonde, Black Latex Catsuit, Soul Exchange, Demon Girl
I forgot that started yesterday. But my dreams weren't important, I just saw two girls in tight sparkly red clothes turn into a wall and a magazine with a fat Nicki Minaj on the cover. And there was an old stoner trying to sell a fishing pole with guitar strings. Where do my dreams come from??
10-07-2012, 04:01 AM
Sivason
Link was in my LD from last night, but I am pretty sure just as a DC. It was a Task of the Month challenge involving trick or treating in the DV neighborhood. He was just one of the trick or treaters and no real interaction. Interesting though.
10-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Woodstock
Password Given?: No
Lucid: No
Time spent asleep: 10 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: Squishy bananas, meat, dead dudes painting walls
Environment(s): My house, art museum
10-07-2012, 05:10 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given? No
Lucid: No
Time Spent Asleep: ~8 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: alarm clock , alyzarin , asian huts , blonde , msn chat , organic chemistry lab , restaurant , scone
Environment(s): Asian Restaurant, Organic Chemistry Laboratory, Large Backyard, Asian country
At least I'm thinking about Organic Chemistry for once, and I find it odd that there's a 4 second interval increase if I kept pressing the button on my alarm clock in the dream....hmmm. Oh well.
10-08-2012, 01:40 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: 4-5 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: christian club , infinity , kid goku , math exam , mother , sushi , tighty whities , university
Environment(s): University, Random House, Club Room, Math Exam Room
Password: Light Line (this is actually something like spectrum vector, but it was hard for me to grasp the exact thought)
Lucid: No
TSA:9 hours
SDS: none
Env: well lit road.
The words basically had something to do with spectrum, as in something that changes by degrees or descrete steps, and vector, as in a directional progression along said spectrum. I simplified the concept into light (spectrum) line (vector).
10-09-2012, 10:26 PM
Woodstock
Sorry, I didn't remember anything.
10-10-2012, 02:41 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: ~6 hours
Significant dreamsigns: black latex catsuit , blonde , classroom , restaurant , room 174 , taylor swift , tomatoes, alyzarin
Environment(s): Classroom, Restaurant, Postal Office, Parking Lot
Added a dreamsign of Alyzarin because I remembered one more dream while in class that she became On-Topic Admin
10-10-2012, 09:39 PM
Sivason
I had an interesting night. I dreamed very clearly and specifically of meeting Link. He met me on a college campus and was wearing his hair in corn rows or a shorty dread kind of style. Before meeting Link a series of images happened that reinforced the idea of a rainbow. I thought that was odd as it matches up with what I dreamt the night before (spectrum vector/light line/ now, rainbow).
Link took me to a lab room and showed me some chemistry stuff. It had to do with identifying what minerals are in solution. That is really more freshman chemistry than Organic chemistry, so I am not sure if the parts of this dream had to do with a password.
Terms Link specifically used were 'lead' and 'potassium permanganate.' The image of an organic chemistry reaction where you pour acid over a organic compound set on a sheet of platimum was also shown. This is used to form (sorry if I am wrong, O.Chem is about 20 years past) a cis-congegate bond. Maybe congegate bond was being conveyed.
When the password is reveiled we should all look for any connections this dream may have had to the password, just because it was specifically involving me and Link meeting and discussing O. Chem.
If I was to draw a password out of this I think I will go with "acidic solution"
Password: Acidic Solution
Lucid: Semi/vivid
TSA: 10 hours
SDS: back at a university again
Env: College campus
10-10-2012, 10:38 PM
Woodstock
I remembered something this morning, but I didn't have time before school so I forgot my dreams from last night. But at school I had a dream about a zombie apocolypse!
10-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Linkzelda
Either way, make sure that if you did dream of something, use the format, so that it'll be easier to collect. :) It'll be a lot of data in the end, so every bit counts. Thanks in advance :)
10-10-2012, 11:17 PM
Woodstock
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkzelda
Either way, make sure that if you did dream of something, use the format, so that it'll be easier to collect. :) It'll be a lot of data in the end, so every bit counts. Thanks in advance :)
I know, I'll use that when I remember a dream. I don't think you care what I dream about at school.
10-11-2012, 02:12 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: ~6-7 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: alex , amon , breakfast tacos , dv forum , french admin , ghost rider , mother , opheliablue
Environment(s): Restaurant, Dark dungeon area, Europe,
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: 6-7 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: none
10-12-2012, 05:49 PM
Sivason
Hi guys. I had another odd dream last night. I kept seeing words written down on lines, over and over. It seemed almost like someone communicating with me. I knew it was a dream and tried to figure out what password may be conveyed. First, the writting was not in a row, it was very clearly in lines. I already guessed 'line' so it reinfores that word. Second, the thought I seemed to get was of lidocaine gel. That is a clear gel. In the last dream Link was testing a cream for lead by making it into a solution. That reinforces the idea that the password may have something to do with cream or gel like states of matter. I will go with 'clear gel' for my guess at a password, although the idea of 'line' came up again.
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: 8-9 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: alyzarin , bus , code lyoko , father , killer , laundromat , prince of tennis , runescape , sudevi
Environment(s): Laundromat, Uphill Road, City, Futuristic Base, Random Neighborhood
If I don't remember anything do you still want me to post on here? I haven't remembered any dreams in a week except the one from Saturday night.
10-16-2012, 02:49 PM
Linkzelda
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodstock
If I don't remember anything do you still want me to post on here? I haven't remembered any dreams in a week except the one from Saturday night.
Nah, it's okay, I rather you post something with some dream recall, because if you didn't recall, it would just be a waste of information added on to the overall Data collection. Hope you'll break your No Recall streak sometime, and you still have plenty of time anyway. :)
Password Given: No (But I had a dream related to someone having a hidden Password)
Lucid: No
TSA: 6-7 hours
Significant dream signs: apartment , computer , flood , office , password , school , ship , spanish teacher
Environment(s): Ocean, Flooding Ship, High School/Middle School hybrid, Office
I'm really having a horrible day today, especially since I didn't recall any dreams this morning, and had to take a nap after class because I felt way too tired
*sigh* 13th day always seem to give me bad luck or something.
10-18-2012, 02:08 AM
Sivason
I have not had any related dreams in a few days, but tonight I will make a true effort to contact Link and get a password.
10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
Linkzelda
Password: No
Lucid: No
TSA: ~5-6 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: airport , bathroom , chihuahua , father , grass , nvidia card , sbisa building , tezuka
Envi: Sbisa Building, College, Restroom, Airport, Large Field of Grass
I specifically saw what looked like a tub of vanilla yogert. I do not think that was what I was supposed to get out of it though. All the themes I have already reported were repeated, someone writing on lines, a spectrum or divisable measurable continuity, and this time a white gel or cream that looked like vanilla yogert. I am leaning towards the meaning of the yogert being fatty acids.
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: ~5-6 hours
SDS: blonde , father , math class , shadow the hedgehog , sonic the hedgehog
Env: Math Classroom, House, Outer Space, Open City
EDIT: Just for personal reference, Since I can't edit the last post, it's supposed to be Day 15, and not Day 14 in post above this one.
10-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Sivason
I have lost focus on this for a few days. Most of my dreams have not seemed like they could be related. Tonight I will be making a serious effort to find Link and get the password.
10-22-2012, 08:58 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: 5-6 hours
Significant Dreamsigns: None
Env: None
No recall for me. Mondays are probably the worst time for me to focus on recalling dreams.
EDIT:
Took a nap yesterday
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: 2-3 hours
Significant dream signs: father, college, auditorium
Env: Auditorium, college
I have no idea why the password would be Maple syrup. It seems a little silly, but I am not rying to 'guess' the password, I am trying to get it froma dream. Last night I specifically tried to reach Link and get a password, by entering a WILD while using the mantra, "get lucid, get the password."
I appeared as a 3rd person observer of men standing around a big tree doing something. I asked "what is this?" and heard a loud voice say "Maple syrup." I then entered a normal unrelated LD. So, I will submit it, why not/
Password: Maple Syrup
Lucid: yes
TSA: 7.5 hours
D.S.: disembodiment
Env: out side on grey day
10-24-2012, 05:01 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given: No
Lucid: No
TSA: 6-7 hours
Significant Dream Signs: mother, father, contest
Envi: Airport, Carnival counterpart area, house driveway
I'm going to take a nap. I have from 11 AM to 1:15 PM, I probably won't recall anything, but eh, might as well try to meditate (and hopefully not fall asleep).
10-25-2012, 05:22 PM
Linkzelda
Password Given: No
Lucid: Yes
TSA: 6-7 hours
Significant dreamsigns: biology , blonde , college , dhal puri , ghost town , hallway , mother , pokemon
Env: Western Ghost Town, Hallway, Lecture Room, Hotel Room
Sigh, I love how I became lucid, but decided to let my thoughts focus on some random person instead of attempting to "meet" with one of the participants....ugh. I really got to work on that. And wow, 9 more days. Time flies.
Sorry Link, I have just not been having any dreams that seem like they could be related. I am interested to see what the results have been. Thanks for hosting again.
11-03-2012, 03:15 PM
Linkzelda
It's no problem! Thanks to everyone that participated. Sorry that I haven't posted anything lately, the blackout here and the sporadic on and off with electricity is making things more difficult for me.
I basically spent 2 days without internet, and I hope to gather results so I can immediately post everything before internet cuts off again. Hopefully maintenance can get their asses here and fix this electricity issue.
But for now, to save the drama..
PASSWORD:
BROKEN CARBONS
DERIVED FROM (below)
Deuterium Isotope Effect
A tool used in mechanistic investigations to establish whether a C-H bond is broken in the rate-limiting step of a reaction.
You had the right concepts in your dreams Sivason, and I was hoping you would catch me complaining about Organic Chemistry a lot in the Rant and Rave thread, since I was frustrated pretty much the whole 30 days on it lol.
You're a real trooper, you really are, amazing stuff indeed, even though we didn't get anywhere near the password.
Woodstock, same to you, thanks for contributing, and Cloud, I guess you were just busy with things, and that's just fine, but thanks anyway for considering.
And People who were Control Variables...thank you as well!
But even though this experiment turned out to be of no substance with the password, AT least we have framework to work on. But for now, I think it's best for me to take a break, especially with my 4th exam for Organic Chemistry in a few weeks coming up, and final exams overall.
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All the pictures of when I took the password, the starting date, time, everything, and then the page number, and all the stuff for Excel that was on Google Docs under "[email protected]" will be there eventually, and I'll do it ASAP (electricity thing is really messing up my Time Management Schedule, and that comes first).
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Remember, the framework that was developed based on other people's insight from the Shared Dreaming Debate thread is what matters. Progress will be shown eventually.
No matter what happens, the important is that this framework was through the collaboration of other people forming into a community, both skeptics and believers to find SOMETHING that can guide us in the right direction.
I hope to have more of this in the future, but until then, I'll just be around in DV like normal, and Happy Dreaming everyone!
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Also Sivason, it seems those password attempts were actually related to what I was learning at the time (except the fatty acids one)
EDIT: Fatty Acids relates to Degrees of Saturation, it doesn't prove any synchronicity, but at least part of your dreams were related to waking life residue.
I actually did an Organic Chemistry Lab using Silica GEL with TLC paper for Rf values.
Coincidence? Most likely.
But either way, though they didn't match the exact password, they did match some experiments in lab and lecture. Of course, that doesn't prove shared dreaming or makes it a probably phenomenon though.
:P
11-03-2012, 07:27 PM
Linkzelda
Okay, here's all the pictures and Excel Stuff:
Take the information any way you like, and thanks again everyone!
Until next time, continue to do your best in dreaming overall.
I'm sorry I couldn't help more. I'm remembering my dreams again, but I forgot about this until now. None were related to your password so we didn't miss the chance to prove that shared dreaming is real. If you do this again I'll probably let someone else do it instead of me unless you use more random words. I don't know anything about chemistry so I'd miss the password if I saw it or I'd forget what it was.
Maybe you could use two completely unrelated words like "melon waterfall" or something like that? If I saw a melon waterfall in my dream I'm sure I'd remember that (I might even get lucid from it) and it couldn't just be a coincidence.
11-04-2012, 07:42 AM
EbbTide000
Thank you for these two oppotunities to explore what can be done in dreams.
Follow your heart and simplify things as you are inspired.
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Originally Posted by Woodstock
I'm sorry I couldn't help more. I'm remembering my dreams again, but I forgot about this until now. None were related to your password so we didn't miss the chance to prove that shared dreaming is real. If you do this again I'll probably let someone else do it instead of me unless you use more random words. I don't know anything about chemistry so I'd miss the password if I saw it or I'd forget what it was.
Maybe you could use two completely unrelated words like "melon waterfall" or something like that? If I saw a melon waterfall in my dream I'm sure I'd remember that (I might even get lucid from it) and it couldn't just be a coincidence.
I agree Woodstock.
I think the Matrix worked with the stream-of-info that makes up Me and got the concept Broken] to me in that dream where I acidently pulled of my right big toe-nail.
Then I tapped where the nail had been and it didn't hurt because it was hardening up quick.
Then, as I woke I got the hipnapop (hipnapopic image) of rounded-square chuncks in an invisible, undulating large "intestine"?, moving towards me, through space.
Then awake, I spontainiously said "salt" in my head.
Salt is not carbon
But I recon the matrix didn't totally fail. The matrix managed a metaphore for "brocken" (hehehe).
I love, love, love these games.
Thank you again Linkzelda for hosting. Love your new avater too.
11-04-2012, 07:58 AM
Linkzelda
@Woodstock
Trying to make up unrelated words and just "happening" to dream of watermelons (in your case), and seeing if it matches up with what I was thinking for a password and stamping it as a shared dream does not cut it at all.
That's actually making it worse. We're trying to communicate, not just think something random that isn't determined (like the number of pages and the number generator). Ideally, we're supposed to meet and "share" a dream, and ultimately, me telling the participants the password
Sorry, if I did something unrelated, and had no proof that I was following something to make the password, and you just happened to make an association based on Watermelons, and stating we had a shared dreaming (even though I know you're not), it would make the whole experiment go to waste.
It's the same thing Gills stated when we first tried this experiment, and he was right.
Just because someone finds an association, doesn't mean there's a shared dream involved. Honestly, by your words, it feels like you're trying to make stuff up with this unrelated password creation and skew the whole purpose of the experiment.
It just won't work out like that, at least from what I'm seeing. But that's just me. Honestly, the password itself is key to see if the phenomena of shared dreaming is more probable, but what's even more important is that we "share dreams."
I'm not being hard on you, it's just that someone else is probably going to tell you this anyway. I most likely won't attempt doing "unrelated" words because it has to be derived from something, at least for the framework of this experiment.
You can try one if you want, but I prefer this one for now. I just can't make too many changes to this, so it may be boring for a few attempts, but it's something to work with for consistency. You'll just have to be patient, and at least for now, we can head over to the IOSDP user forum until there's been quite some time passed before attempting the experiment again.
If we started doing this, then doing that, then doing this, then doing that, it messes up everything, EVERYTHING.
Unless we can see some kind of significant improvement with this framework, you'll have to get someone else to set up the experiment, or try to create one for your own honestly. Not that I'm trying to be mean or anything, it's just a basic concept of science.
11-04-2012, 08:59 AM
EbbTide000
Well Link
I think everyone is trying tooooo hard.
Back in 2008 I got invited to join in some dream games. They were up to Dream remote viewing Lab 30 when I joined. 65 if you include Nick Newports 35 before Eyeoneblack's.
Nick Newport was asked by enthusiastic practitioners of Lucid Dreaming to put objects in a box so that saltcuber's could focus on the box as they attempted LDing.
When we woke we posted our dreams and had a guess at what was in the box.
Then Eye took over.
It was fun. Dreamers were not trying to "share dream" so it was a bit shocking when some dream entries showed evidence of shared dreaming.
11-06-2012, 03:03 AM
Sivason
I think related terms are important. If we were trying to prove the powers of a supposed 'psychic master' then maybe we would make it extra difficult. However, if the two terms are outlandish and unrelated it may be beyond anyone's ability.
An interesting note, is that in this round I actually did meet with a DC of Link in a lucid dream. It may or may not have been a projection of Link's actual dreaming mind (he says he was studying the topics I mentioned), or just an auto-suggestion dream on my part. I am encouraged that I had a vivid dream that involved me meeting up with Link on purpose and discussing the exchange of a password. It does not matter if it was real shared dreaming. Link did not recall the dream from his side. That does not change that it could have been a connection, because his own recall would be required, regardless of a connection being made.
In this dream, I met Link on a college campus, but the communication was happening through a telepathic exchange, NOT in literal words. We went together to a chemistry lab, and he attempted to 'show me' what the password related to.
In that dream he showed me a diagnostic test, used to determine the presence of certain chemicals (lead) in a solution. Link's actual term was based on a diagnostic test. That in itself is pretty cool. However, if this was a shared dream the use of telepathic communication kept us from a literal exchange of words. By keeping the two terms connected we make the exchange easier.
11-06-2012, 03:15 AM
Linkzelda
Maybe in a few more months, I'll set up another 30 day run if you're up for it.
11-06-2012, 03:17 AM
Sivason
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Maybe in a few more months, I'll set up another 30 day run if you're up for it.
