How can I easily reach Sleep paralysis?

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Originally Posted by sivason

I am fine with that. We barely knew each other then, and you have an interesting take on things.

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OK, then we're good there. This is my hope, that the song gets through, so to speak, which I guess is your main concern also. I realize I've been on your case a lot lately, and I'm not happy about that.

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Originally Posted by sivason

I did not literally mean they should never try it as an experiment.

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OK.

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Originally Posted by sivason

As far as you suggesting it can be induced because it is a part of OBE, I am saying it is either the state I refer to (that is not SP) that is used in OBE, or that anyone who does use SP has a medical condition they are using, and it is not useful for anyone else. The guy who wanted to argue, says he experienced it PRIOR to his study of it, then says anyone can do it. IF he claims to know this because HE can do it,,, well I claim he already had it as a condition, so what does his experience prove?

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What I and Shalashaska are saying is we don't think its that clear cut, between medical condition and no medical condition. Like a lot of medical conditions, its a symptom or category of symptoms, without a single, universal cause, and it can be cultivated. I agree with you that not everyone can do it, but then I think that's generally true of lucid dreaming also. I'm predisposed to both, which I guess is a matter of genetics and karma, but I don't think its fair to treat it as a congenital disease. And I think its reasonable for Shalashaska to claim that it can be cultivated based on his experience doing that, even though I would argue against doing that. Anecdotally, based on people I know, many of other people besides him have experienced sleep paralysis but it hasn't recurred for them because they've shied away from it, just as they've shied away from lucid dreaming.

Most people regard lucid dreaming as abnormal, if they even know what it is. If medical industry politics were to go a slightly different way it could very easily be defined as a medical condition. All of my lucid dreaming experiences have been largely involuntary, and I prefer it that way, as a matter of specialization and trust between myself and my other half, so to speak. But I don't think this disqualifies me from knowing that its possible to cultivate it.

Again, I'm not at all endorsing the cultivation of sleep paralysis, personally I wouldn't do that, and I'd advise against it. But as you know I'm not sold on astral projection either.

I apologize for implying that someone deleted a post, though I wasn't thinking it was you. It wasn't a fair accusation in relation DreamViews either, even though I've come to expect this sort of thing from experiences on other sites.

Check out my 'branch off the tulpa thread' from a few days ago in the dream interpretation forum if you are inclined to. It contains a dream from my sister from last week that we've only partially figured out. This is one of those dreams that has well designed synchronicities with other things that are happening, its more than just personal to her own issues, even though there's that side of it too.

Also, Sageous, I see that Athanor has made a couple of posts there recently. He only gives a fairly narrow range of interpretations, but he's clear about the limitations and does it quite well, in my opinion.

[p.s. I'd like to apologize for going a little bit too far with my paranoia, now I wish I hadn't said a couple of things that I said in my post earlier this evening.]

Perhaps it can be cultivated. I do not know 100% that it can not. I do not see why anyone would want to paralysis themselves. I knew a kid who could make himself go unconscious using a breathing trick, and I never understood that either. To each their own, but I hope to steer people who want to learn WILD away from even thinking about it. We are good, as always, peace.

^^ Which I think is the crux of the matter:

SP, whether you can "reach it" at will, by accident, or not at all, is not necessary for LD'ing, and attaching a "reaching SP" component to WILD is likely just a distraction.

Yes, SP (as REM Atonia) may be a component of OBE's -- though in truth you probably could do without it there as well, as that "sitting up" process is more one of visualization than an actual physical event, I think. So, the OP of this thread is likely asking the wrong question; sure, there could be arguable answers to that question, but there may simply be no need to reach SP. And this, of course, is not a popular thing to say around here.

Bottom line: SP as it is described on these forums (aka REM Atonia, or, in WILD, just your body settling in for sleep) probably ought to be ignored, not sought out or cultivated ... regardless of its medical status.

I reached it! I got SP. Just took awhile to find a working guide to stop swallowing. Now stop fighting!

I do not know how to reach SP before you go to sleep but i can advise how to reach SP when you are LDing. At least it worked for me several times(not fan of SP.)
They way i reached several SP's in few days was this - go OBE, lie down inside your own body, stay there for a while, get relaxed and feel you have full control of situation, then try to levitate while you are lucid, try to wake up and still levitate, you will most probably get FA and you will most probably fall down into the bed as soon as you will have first FA. Every time try to levitate in your OBE then try to wake up and levitate again, this process will continue in cycles, you will experience FA again and again. From my experience i can say that this will most probably go wrong and you will not be able to do RC(that's good to get your SP), you will experience FA's again and again and you will end up waking up with SP. I did not count exactly but as soon as this FA cycling process starts its not easy to stop it, i had around 15-20 FA's before i woke up, each FA will last only for 1 or 2 seconds. I think this type of test makes process in your brain to go wrong and leads to SP. Of course this could be personal, but give it a try.

Let me know if you did not understand what i wrote here, i will try to explain more clearly.

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Originally Posted by AURON

SP happens randomly only once of twice in peoples lifetimes. If you have a condition called isolated sleep paralysis, you may get it more than that. If you're wondering if you have it or not, you probably don't, because SP would have been hitting you randomly all your life if you did.

TLDR version. Most people can't induce SP, and the people who have ISP get it randomly.

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What are your sources for this information? Please provide links.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Which I think is the crux of the matter:

SP, whether you can "reach it" at will, by accident, or not at all, is not necessary for LD'ing, and attaching a "reaching SP" component to WILD is likely just a distraction.

Yes, SP (as REM Atonia) may be a component of OBE's -- though in truth you probably could do without it there as well, as that "sitting up" process is more one of visualization than an actual physical event, I think. So, the OP of this thread is likely asking the wrong question; sure, there could be arguable answers to that question, but there may simply be no need to reach SP. And this, of course, is not a popular thing to say around here.

Bottom line: SP as it is described on these forums (aka REM Atonia, or, in WILD, just your body settling in for sleep) probably ought to be ignored, not sought out or cultivated ... regardless of its medical status.

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I disagree. Those who do experience SP on a regular basis (like myself) can easily use it to obtain a WILD.

Sleep Paralysis is definitely not necessary, but for those who do have it... why not use it properly?

Just a note: Every single WILD I have had in my life was through SP.

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Originally Posted by Yakuza

I disagree. Those who do experience SP on a regular basis (like myself) can easily use it to obtain a WILD.

Sleep Paralysis is definitely not necessary, but for those who do have it... why not use it properly?

Just a note: Every single WILD I have had in my life was through SP.

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The point is more or less that you should already know if you have SP. If you do, THEN some tutorials may teach you better how to use it. However, it is a waste of time to try to get SP if you are not someone who gets SP. Noobies are getting the wrong idea, that is that SP is a needed step. They are being directed down a fruitless path. If they already have SP on a regular basis, well, fine and good, but wouldn't they already know they do?

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Originally Posted by sivason

The point is more or less that you should already know if you have SP. If you do, THEN some tutorials may teach you better how to use it. However, it is a waste of time to try to get SP if you are not someone who gets SP. Noobies are getting the wrong idea, that is that SP is a needed step. They are being directed down a fruitless path.

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That, I agree with.

I know I'm being bad (resurrecting a long-dead thread/conversation like this), but I felt I should weigh in on things briefly to clear things up for some of the more advanced folks here.

---- To all reading this, please be aware what follows is absolutely not intended for anyone trying to achieve a lucid dream via a transition from the waking state (aka WILD). This post will more than likely confuse you from this point onward--so please skim over or ignore it. ----

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It is entirely possible (though not entirely "easy") for an ordinary, healthy person to induce a conscious state wherein one may lucidly experience REM atonia, sleep spindles, and the like. Personally, I'm not very good at it, and can't offer much insight into how to go about it...but I'll look into it and return with my findings if there's sufficient interest. In the interim, Shalashaska and snoop have already offered sound advice.

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To the OP, shadowofwind, Shalashaska, and all those affected: I apologize pushing "sleep paralysis" into being labeled as a medical condition. I did not fully anticipate the effects this shift of language would have on the pursuit of more esoteric practices (e.g. OBEs, AP, etc), but I did realize the impact it would have in shifting perceptions and accelerating general acceptance. This was a dirty tactic, and I'm sorry to have brought you all harm as a result of it. =(

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Seeking to explore this experience (for the sake of exploring this experience) is not something to be belittled. Yes, it's counterproductive if the end-goal is a lucid dream. But if the end goal is the experience--for the sake of further understanding and exploration...then that is a worthy pursuit, indeed.

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Y'all have the best discussion when I'm not around.

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