Thread: How can I easily reach Sleep paralysis?

I know you don't need to reach SP to do WILD. And I didn't want to put this down by where all the AP stuff is cause this can go here or there and this would get seen more here. I dont want to reach SP cause I want to do wild. I want to reach it for the experience and Go OBE. Really,It seems for me using the SP method go go OBE is the best way (That may be the only way IDK) So is there any simple method that has a high success rate? Iv tried Guided meditation 6 or so times. Iv tried some of the popular WILD methods and nothing is working.

Tactics for triggering sleep paralysis: Sleeping on your back. Take a nap after being sleep deprived or jet-lagged. Keep an erratic sleep pattern. Maximize REM rebound by waking up 2 hours before normal and then nap. Caffeine before bed helps too.

Best way for me to enter SP is to just RELAX, lay on my back and stretch my whole body out. From your head to your toes. I get the best results by laying straight with my head elevated just a little on my pillow. Don't move, but stay comfortable. Keep your eyes shut. If you MUST itch, do it quickly but don't think about it and then continue to lie still. While your eyes are shut focus on the center of your forehead or the spot between your eyes. If you really want an OBE, once you do enter SP keep focusing on the spot between your eyes and try to do a situp. You're of course paralyzed at this point so you won't actually do a situp but it's a good technique to just pop right out of your physical body.

If none of the above works for you, which it should with good practice and patience (It takes time, sometimes a good hour so you'll need time to kill. A mid-day nap is a great time to try just keep distractions away and keep it dark.) then you can always buy some Galantamine online. I swear on Galantamind, as long as I took it in moderation I would almost ALWAYS enter SP quickly after about an hour or two of taking it and relaxing before bed. If you are unable to purchase it then go to your local vitamin store and get some Choline. If you can get both, then you're in for one hell of a ride. SP, OBE's and Lucid Dreams. The perfect combo of herbal supplements if that's what you rely on.

SP happens randomly only once of twice in peoples lifetimes. If you have a condition called isolated sleep paralysis, you may get it more than that. If you're wondering if you have it or not, you probably don't, because SP would have been hitting you randomly all your life if you did.

TLDR version. Most people can't induce SP, and the people who have ISP get it randomly.

Originally Posted by AURON

SP happens randomly only once of twice in peoples lifetimes. If you have a condition called isolated sleep paralysis, you may get it more than that. If you're wondering if you have it or not, you probably don't, because SP would have been hitting you randomly all your life if you did.

TLDR version. Most people can't induce SP, and the people who have ISP get it randomly.

What are your sources for this information? Please provide links.

SP is not possible to induce, it's a rare sleep disorder that only small number of people ever experience, i very highly suggest to not aim for it. http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html
Also i am against Shalashaska's suggestion, you will end up ruining sleep health and it will most likely wouldn't work anyway.

@Shalashaska Doesn't sounds like an actual SP. Are you not able to move no matter how hard you try?

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Originally Posted by Scionox

SP is not possible to induce, it's a rare sleep disorder that only small number of people ever experience, i very highly suggest to not aim for it. http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html
Also i am against Shalashaska's suggestion, you will end up ruining sleep health and it will most likely wouldn't work anyway.

@Shalashaska Doesn't sounds like an actual SP. Are you not able to move no matter how hard you try?

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IMO I think SP can be induced cause that is the only way I know of to haxe a OBE. what is another way?

SP happens randomly only once of twice in peoples lifetimes. If you have a condition called isolated sleep paralysis, you may get it more than that. If you're wondering if you have it or not, you probably don't, because SP would have been hitting you randomly all your life if you did.

TLDR version. Most people can't induce SP, and the people who have ISP get it randomly.

A lot of people can't you are right. Cbmgraphics was asking how he COULD though. You people are telling him it's not or hardly at all possible. It happens every night. It is a natural side effect of dreaming. When we become self-aware (upon going to sleep or while while waking up) is when we fully experience it and are aware what is going on. 40% of the world population reports having it at least once in their lives. You're telling me Cbm will never get it just because he hasn't had it yet?

Originally Posted by Scionox

SP is not possible to induce, it's a rare sleep disorder that only small number of people ever experience, i very highly suggest to not aim for it. http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html
Also i am against Shalashaska's suggestion, you will end up ruining sleep health and it will most likely wouldn't work anyway.

@Shalashaska Doesn't sounds like an actual SP. Are you not able to move no matter how hard you try?

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I know what Sleep Paralysis is. I know the difference between it and simple muscle atonia in REM sleep. I've gotten it many times in the past five years. Or maybe I was just tripping hard core or losing my mind when I was completely paralyzed in bed and heard the things I heard and saw the what I saw. Really strange how it all stopped when I was able to break the paralysis or it ended. You can break the paralysis especially if you train yourself. It is very possible to induce, just like Lucid Dreaming... Since my first couple bouts with it I've induced it or prepared so that I could have it more than it actually just occurring on it's own.

Originally Posted by Shalashaska

I know what Sleep Paralysis is. I know the difference between it and simple muscle atonia in REM sleep.

I believe you, and if you're wrong I haven't seen that presented in a way that I understand.

I think that a big part of the issue here is a difference in values. Your motives are not the same as mine, which aren't quite the same as those of Sivason or Sageous, and those differences are what are driving the disagreement. And that's why the semantic and factual points of contention aren't getting cleared up, because they're not what the real issue is.

If you fall asleep and are in nREM and then picture yourself moving free of your body, that is a form of WILD, not SP. The body dopes itself up to keep you from moving and it feels weird. That is just being aware in nREM but is not SP if you can move when you truely want to. If it was true SP then someone yelling fire would not cause you to wake up and look a round.

Originally Posted by sivason

If you fall asleep and are in nREM and then picture yourself moving free of your body, that is a form of WILD, not SP. The body dopes itself up to keep you from moving and it feels weird. That is just being aware in nREM but is not SP if you can move when you truely want to. If it was true SP then someone yelling fire would not cause you to wake up and look a round.

What is nRem? Im not informed of alot of the terms on DV. Also if nRem is just regular Rem sleep (Which it prob isn't) wouldn't I have to be lucid to picture myself moving? Also Iv not the imagery where you imagine your self rolling out. IT dosent work on me. I cant Imagine things clearly at all.

I think sleep paralysis can be induced in many people. I agree with everyone who says not to try though.

Originally Posted by sivason

If it was true SP then someone yelling fire would not cause you to wake up and look a round.

This is part of the reason not to practice astral projection. If you train your 'astral' body to easily move independently of your physical body, it seems to me you're going to have a lot harder time moving your physical body when you want to.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

I think sleep paralysis can be induced in many people. I agree with everyone who says not to try though.



This is part of the reason not to practice astral projection. If you train your 'astral' body to easily move independently of your physical body, it seems to me you're going to have a lot harder time moving your physical body when you want to.

At the same time,being able to separate easily. You would also learn how to come back together easily. You would just learn overtime. Atleast that would me by theory.

nREM is any stage of sleep prior to REM. You can reach the first stage of nREM just by relaxing and letting your body fall naturally to sleep. If you manage this, then you will likely feel weird things and see weird things, including OBE type experiences. Many will argue OBE is nothing more than a WILD taking place in nREM. Wether it is real mystical stuff or a WILD that takes place in nREM the method is the same. That is it is one form of WILD. You can reach a place where casual attempts to move only result in dream imagery of you moving your dream body. However if someone yelled 'fire' you would wake up and move. In SP the person may try very hard to move their real body and they can not. This may go on even after they manage to pry their eyes open. So it is 2 different things.

I have two questions. Do I litterly just lay there. (Iv done that before just focusing on my breath and nothing happend in a time period of an hour) Also when do I know I can try to separate from my Physical body,and how. when Im ready do I just do the same as if Im raising my regular arm?

Well, teaching you to have OBE is just as complex as teaching you to WILD. It requires the ability to deeply relax AND maintain awareness DESPITE falling asleep. You do not just lay there, you go through the steps of a WILD, or another way of looking at it, is you get caught up in a high end meditation, so deep that you begin to loose bodily sensation.

There are 2 forms of WILD in my mind. The most commonly used for LDs involves keeping a touch of awareness and then falling asleep. It is hit or miss and you do not control anything much after your body is asleep, you are hoping a dream forms in the 1-3 minutes you are both asleep and aware. The other is going to require meditation skills a bit above the first. That is a refusal to loose awareness regardless of your sleep state. In that kind of WILD you get all the hallucinations and so on. That is more the kind when people talk about laying on your back and doing OBE.

The short version is you need to learn the skills involved in WILD. It is not anything one or two posts is going to explain.

Originally Posted by sivason

Well, teaching you to have OBE is just as complex as teaching you to WILD. It requires the ability to deeply relax AND maintain awareness DESPITE falling asleep. You do not just lay there, you go through the steps of a WILD, or another way of looking at it, is you get caught up in a high end meditation, so deep that you begin to loose bodily sensation.

There are 2 forms of WILD in my mind. The most commonly used for LDs involves keeping a touch of awareness and then falling asleep. It is hit or miss and you do not control anything much after your body is asleep, you are hoping a dream forms in the 1-3 minutes you are both asleep and aware. The other is going to require meditation skills a bit above the first. That is a refusal to loose awareness regardless of your sleep state. In that kind of WILD you get all the hallucinations and so on. That is more the kind when people talk about laying on your back and doing OBE.

The short version is you need to learn the skills involved in WILD. It is not anything one or two posts is going to explain.

I can go into a very deep meditation alot of the time. I was very VERY deep into relaxation last night. I had a weird feeling,I was laying down on my back,hands to my side. But it felt like my left and right hands and feet where switched and that they where straight out (Hands out and legs like I was doing the splits) I was amazed. I focused on the feeling,it felt just as if they where really in that position. then........I swallowed. The sensation went away,its as if it all got reset. I have anther question,can you swallow while your trying to WILD? I have so much spit getting created in my mouth its as if I will drown if I dont swallow. Also Iv only ever had 4 or 5 LD's and none of them where induced. They where all DILD and random. So should I work on LD's before I start trying to AP and have OBE's?

(two posts up)Sure, I bet if you have SP as a natural condition, THEN you could figure out how to triggure it. I am not sure why you would want to,,, but hey, we all need something to fill or time and attention.

You need to swallow without thinking about it, just like you do in sleep. There is a whole class offered in WILD by Sageous, and a good tutorial.

I think you are making progress if you got as far as you did, but it is an art. No easy answers and it will take time. Good luck.

Originally Posted by sivason

(two posts up)Sure, I bet if you have SP as a natural condition, THEN you could figure out how to triggure it. I am not sure why you would want to,,, but hey, we all need something to fill or time and attention.

You need to swallow without thinking about it, just like you do in sleep. There is a whole class offered in WILD by Sageous, and a good tutorial.

I think you are making progress if you got as far as you did, but it is an art. No easy answers and it will take time. Good luck.

"There is a whole class offered in WILD by Sageous, and a good tutorial." Can you link me to it? And I dont have any method on how to swallow without thikning about it. I saw a good tut on here on how to easily distract your seft while your body falls asleep (Think about taste's,smell's,texture's.) The poster said it takes you away from thinking what will happen and trying to force it.

Originally Posted by sivason

Sure, I bet if you have SP as a natural condition, THEN you could figure out how to triggure it. I am not sure why you would want to,,, but hey, we all need something to fill or time and attention.

but hey, we all need something to fill our time and attention? This is a Dream forum.

I don't have it as a natural condition, never said I did. The first time I ever got it I did what any sane person would do and did some research on it. Since figuring out what exactly it was, I became very interested in it. Just as much as I am interested in Lucid Dreaming and Out of Body Experiences. I started getting it a little more often with occasional OBE's and became even more excited because I had never had an OBE before. So I bought a book on the subject. After learning how much more you can do with SP than just sit there and be forced to watch or hear the horrors of the hallucinations, I started trying to induce it myself to practice new techniques. Just like any of us would with LD's. It started to work and still does, probably about half of my attempts or a little more have been successful. I can't do it every night. It's not an easy task. The originator of this thread asked this general question. I was helping him. How would you like it if somebody just up and told you most people can't induce Lucid Dreams, you wouldn't and would probably defend it because we all know that is complete crap. Don't knock something you don't fully understand and obviously personally don't like and or think is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by Shalashaska

but hey, we all need something to fill our time and attention? This is a Dream forum.

I don't have it as a natural condition, never said I did. The first time I ever got it I did what any sane person would do and did some research on it. Since figuring out what exactly it was, I became very interested in it. Just as much as I am interested in Lucid Dreaming and Out of Body Experiences. I started getting it a little more often with occasional OBE's and became even more excited because I had never had an OBE before. So I bought a book on the subject. After learning how much more you can do with SP than just sit there and be forced to watch or hear the horrors of the hallucinations, I started trying to induce it myself to practice new techniques. Just like any of us would with LD's. It started to work and still does, probably about half of my attempts or a little more have been successful. I can't do it every night. It's not an easy task. The originator of this thread asked this general question. I was helping him. How would you like it if somebody just up and told you most people can't induce Lucid Dreams, you wouldn't and would probably defend it because we all know that is complete crap. Don't knock something you don't fully understand and obviously personally don't like and or think is a waste of time.

\Never mind,just got it. also should I start focusing on LD's before OBE's and AP?

However you want to do it man. It's all up to you. With me, SP just happened to come around and smack me in the face first. It was my introduction to all this beautiful madness. Lucid Dreams are easier to get the hang of. Considering Sleep Paralysis is apparently IMPOSSIBLE to do on your own

Not.

It will be easier to LD if you work on your recall by the way. Try to remember at least three dreams a night and keep a log of them.

Originally Posted by Shalashaska

Don't knock something you don't fully understand and obviously personally don't like and or think is a waste of time.

I think Sivason should knock away, just as you should push back where you think he's being unreasonable. Of course he doesn't fully understand it, nobody does. But that doesn't mean he doesn't understand anything about it at all, or doesn't have anything useful to contribute. Its not as if he has no experience with these sorts of things, or has less experience than you do.

There's a long esoteric religious tradition of looking down one's nose at everyone else's efforts and activities. So-and-so is confusing a psychological condition with a state of transcendence, or getting lost in psychism, or trying to understand spirit with the body mind, or whatever. This my-wisdom-is-better-than-yours peacocking is so pervasive that I think without it most people wouldn't even bother pretending to care about personal development. But at the same time, spiritual and paranormal subjects are awash with fabrication and conjecture being passed off as truths. We can't just give up on criticism, its a part of basic mental hygeine. A lot of what people are dabbling in is really unhealthy. Its the occult equivalent of starch being sold as baby formula in Africa, or radioactive substances being peddled as health supplements a hundred years ago. A person has to try to do something, its just not right to see people pushing stuff that we think is not what it seems to be and say nothing. There's nothing wrong with selling starch if its sold as what it is, its not poisonous. But if I could I'd kill the bastard who tells people that its what Europeans feed their babies instead of breast milk.

What do you mean by it just smacked you in the face AND saying you do not have it as a natural condition? You say AFTER you experienced it, then you researched it. That sounds like it naturally happened to you, so you do have it as a past medical history, or am I missing something.

Also, how am I dissing you by saying everyone has to find things to fill there time and attention, or that I do not know why you would choose to? All hobbies are the same. I do not know why someone would want to study French Lit. And it is a way to fill there time and attention. How is it a dis for me to not know why someone would want something?

Sleep paralysis doesn't seem to me to be fairly characterized as a 'rare sleep disorder' or 'medical condition' any more than lucid dreaming is a sleep disorder or 'medical condition'. When a person is lucid dreaming in a first-person-shooter kind of way, they're using their imagination to move around their visual and tactile mental representation of their body, which is how they move their body while awake. While they're doing that, their body is not moving. If they were aware of this, in other words if they were more lucid in the direction of what their body is doing, rather than being completely immersed in their dream fantasy, then that would be sleep paralysis. Just as astral projection is a type of lucid dream, sleep paralysis seems to me to be a type of lucid dream. A person could argue that they're not really 'dreaming' because of their degree of lucidity, and what they're lucid about, but then that argument applies to other types of lucid dreams also, and becomes a matter of semantics.

I think that calling it a 'medical' condition is dismissive in the same kind of way that its dismissive for a person who doesn't lucid dream to regard lucid dreaming as a medical condition. (Which has happened over in the dream interpretation forum as recently as last night.)

I also think that "we all need something to fill our time and attention" is passively aggressively dismissive. No not all hobbies are the same. If a person is mucking around with their mental health because they're bored and don't have anything else to do, that's not the same as flying model airplanes. Most people who lucid dream think its harmless, like playing video games, or they think its interesting and good for them, like mentally working out. If you tell someone else that what they're doing is utterly frivolous and without purpose, that's dissing them. Even if someone said "I like to play basketball", I don't think someone else would respond with "we all need something to fill our time and attention" unless they were at least mildly contemptuous of basketball. And that response is pretty much the standard way to crap on someone in New Age circles.

I don't mean to contradict what I said in my previous post. Whether you think pursuing sleep paralysis is worthwhile, or a waste of time, right or wrong both of those are legitimate perspectives.

Give it up Sivason. The SP myth is here to stay, in spite of DV's recent heroic efforts to curb the misinformation parade. Isn't this just one of three new threads specifically about SP? Face it, the mythology has won, to the detriment of many a newbie trying to LD. Since I'm not a moderator I can say screw it, I'm throwing in the towel... let 'em have their SP, if it makes em happy.

Shadowofwind: as usual everything you said makes sense, except that sleep paralysis actually is a known and carefully defined (and studied) disorder that has little or nothing to do with the "SP" as defined on these forums, which more closely parallels hipnagogic hallucinations or awareness of REM Atonia. Sleep paralysis is not like LD'ing, or a form of LD'ing, it is an unfortunate event that happens to a very few people when they consciously wake up before their body "wakes up," and the condition is accompanied by a complete inability to move (and a whole lot of fear -- REM Atonia or HH can easily be ended, and you are always able to move your body, tough occasionally with a little effort). I don't remember the exact number, but statistically about 5 in 100 people suffer from actual sleep paralysis chronically, though most people will experience it once or twice in their lives.

Regarding your earlier post: That all makes sense as well, especially if in this case you are saying that SP is analogous to the starch in the African baby Formula, and not the critics. If you are, then I agree: In my time here at DV I think this almost religious breathlessness about SP is hands-down the single most powerful deflection away from learning lucid dreaming.

Sivason doesn't just know something about SP, he knows a lot about it, and his concern should be noted. SP is a diversion from LD'ing because LD novices make it, and not the dream, their goal (note OP). Ironically they never "reach" it as a goal, unless they are one of the rare few who suffer from actual sleep paralysis. No, they just happen to be aware during REM Atonia or else are experience hypnagogic hallucinations, and then tell everyone they had SP, and it was so cool... of course, there is little to no mention of an LD, because that seems to have been forgotten. Then they get positive response from others who have "reached" SP, and the snowball grows. Again.

Just as you tend to lend your advice to people who are misusing, say, quantum mechanics, DV has been attempting to advise dreamers that SP is not a good goal in LD'ing, ever, and in my opinion, obviously, they are right. They are the critics of the formula. And this is not a semantics exercise; yes, REM Atonia is apparently a good place to be during OBE and AP attempts, but it is of little to no use in achieving LD's -- no matter how many posts attest otherwise..

Shalashaska: If you suffer from actual sleep paralysis and have found a way to use the condition to bring LD's, that's just great. But most people do not share your experience. You seem a fairly advanced dreamer, and your wisdom is welcome, but try to understand what Sivason is trying to say: actual sleep paralysis is a rarity, and even this experience of REM Atonia or HH can be more a distraction than a help toward LD'ing for most people. SP has been set on a very high pedestal on these forums, and, even if it worked for you, this elevation is proving an impediment for many new dreamers. And, as I noted above to Sivason, this pedestal apparently cannot be toppled by mere mortals; but is there really a need to raise it higher?

CbmGraphics: I suggest that you do focus on LD's before OBE's and AP. LD'ing encompasses the general skills and mindsets needed for attempting the other two (indeed, OBE's and AP may actually be LD's), and I personally think that being conscious in a dream state is a great starting point for such spiritual adventures as AP. Plus LD's can be a lot of fun, with potentials for personal creativity that far exceed OBE's and (in my opinion) AP.