Sharing Dreamers

or is it dream sharers? Shared dreaming? These people are so elusive! Granted, taken in its literal form we're ALL into shared dreaming since we're here sharing our dreams. Yet, this isn't exactly what I'm getting at.

For some background, I've been around a for a bit longer than my join date reveals. I've seen the shared dreaming attempts where people aim for the achievement of recounting the same dream as another dreamer. Same time, same place, same people, same events, that sort of thing. Obviously, there's been some challenges.

Let's discuss those!

1. People are different. How we perceive and internalize events varies.
2. People are often egocentric. Selfish. Within dreaming we typically take the -I- perspective, as opposed to the -omnipresent- perspective. This leads to the next issue. . .
3. When awake, when we journal our adventures or read others adventures, these are still egocentric focused. If it's not about me, I don't give a damn. That's probably the most abundant challenge I've noticed in various dreaming groups. Tis sad, really. Are we not all connected in some way? Duality is so out-dated.

Three big issues standing in the way of successful shared dreaming. I'm guilty of these too. However, I also put in considerable effort to minimize these factors.

Some may be asking themselves, why? What's so cool about shared dreaming?

For starters, dream sharing is actually telepathy. That's right. Telepathy is real. Dream sharers already have this skill.

What's so great about telepathy?

I dunno. What's so great about being an intelligent lifeform? For some, not much. To each their own. Free will, FTW!

So let's start a dream sharing group!

I've had this thought many, many times. It's all cool and exciting, it's just like beginning college. Got that acceptance letter, feeling a bit validated like you're going places, worth something, gonna make a big name for yourself--then the first day of school hits. Suddenly there's effort involved. You're asked to change, evolve, better yourself. Yet it doesn't always seem like that's what's being asked of you. It seems tedious, boring, you'd rather go out with friends for a slice of pizza, get a beer, a joint. It's great being able to say I'M IN SCHOOL. It's also cool to say I'M TELEPATHIC. Yet people often dislike the effort involved in either. We be lazy sometimes.

Let's talk about that effort! What does it take to make the investment in dream sharing:

1. We must journal. Listening or watching another person recount their dreams sucks. Mostly for the reason that people get sidetracked and it just takes longer. So the written word is cool. Also, people talk slower than I read. Efficiency is a plus. Unless...you don't like reading...in which case...I feel like I should revisit the more intelligent lifeform thing from above, but well...I won't.

2. We must recall. In order to study dreams, we must have them, then recall them.

3. We must communicate. Let's meet here. Let's do this. Let's just set an intent and NOT plan. Have an idea. Share it. Get people excited.

4. We must be open. Open to developing ourselves in ways we may be uncomfortable with. Be objective, try not to take things personally, accept that others will have experiences that you may not agree with. That's them, not you. Compare progress against yourself, not others.

5. Have fun. Nothing that sucks is going to last. Find a way to make it fun for you. Whether it's using brightly colored text, telling stories with pictures, incorporating music, overcoming fears, speaking to deceased loved ones, or learning the mysteries of the universe. Focus on an aspect that excites you. Perhaps you do it just to get close to someone you're interested in. Whatever the reason, embrace it.

6. Know that stress is terrible for dreaming. If you're busy with life, looking for a job, have financial difficulties, middle of a divorce, recovering from an addiction, shared dreaming probably isn't right for you RIGHT NOW. Take care of waking life first. Then, if you extra energy and desire novelty check out shared dreaming. Waking life doesn't have to be perfect, but I think putting food on the table is loads more important that playing in an etheric wonderland for shits and giggles. Priorities first.

With all this said, why is it being said?

Honestly, this is just the point I'm at with dreaming. I'm looking for a direction, the next step in my own evolution. I like shared dreaming. There's something magical about it that continues to mystify me. I'd also like to bring that form of telepathy into waking life. Why even bother with that? I don't know, really. Seems nifty. I enjoy it. Others might too. Goes back to the whole intelligent lifeform thing.

I'm secretly hoping that someone of decent intelligence and motivation will begin a not-so-official study with this focus. That's a lot to ask though, I know. One can only dream.

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Originally Posted by RedKali

or is it dream sharers? Shared dreaming? These people are so elusive! Granted, taken in its literal form we're ALL into shared dreaming since we're here sharing our dreams. Yet, this isn't exactly what I'm getting at.

For some background, I've been around a for a bit longer than my join date reveals. I've seen the shared dreaming attempts where people aim for the achievement of recounting the same dream as another dreamer. Same time, same place, same people, same events, that sort of thing. Obviously, there's been some challenges.

Let's discuss those!

1. People are different. How we perceive and internalize events varies.
2. People are often egocentric. Selfish. Within dreaming we typically take the -I- perspective, as opposed to the -omnipresent- perspective. This leads to the next issue. . .
3. When awake, when we journal our adventures or read others adventures, these are still egocentric focused. If it's not about me, I don't give a damn. That's probably the most abundant challenge I've noticed in various dreaming groups. Tis sad, really. Are we not all connected in some way? Duality is so out-dated.

Three big issues standing in the way of successful shared dreaming. I'm guilty of these too. However, I also put in considerable effort to minimize these factors.

Some may be asking themselves, why? What's so cool about shared dreaming?

For starters, dream sharing is actually telepathy. That's right. Telepathy is real. Dream sharers already have this skill.

What's so great about telepathy?

I dunno. What's so great about being an intelligent lifeform? For some, not much. To each their own. Free will, FTW!

So let's start a dream sharing group!

I've had this thought many, many times. It's all cool and exciting, it's just like beginning college. Got that acceptance letter, feeling a bit validated like you're going places, worth something, gonna make a big name for yourself--then the first day of school hits. Suddenly there's effort involved. You're asked to change, evolve, better yourself. Yet it doesn't always seem like that's what's being asked of you. It seems tedious, boring, you'd rather go out with friends for a slice of pizza, get a beer, a joint. It's great being able to say I'M IN SCHOOL. It's also cool to say I'M TELEPATHIC. Yet people often dislike the effort involved in either. We be lazy sometimes.

Let's talk about that effort! What does it take to make the investment in dream sharing:

1. We must journal. Listening or watching another person recount their dreams sucks. Mostly for the reason that people get sidetracked and it just takes longer. So the written word is cool. Also, people talk slower than I read. Efficiency is a plus. Unless...you don't like reading...in which case...I feel like I should revisit the more intelligent lifeform thing from above, but well...I won't.

2. We must recall. In order to study dreams, we must have them, then recall them.

3. We must communicate. Let's meet here. Let's do this. Let's just set an intent and NOT plan. Have an idea. Share it. Get people excited.

4. We must be open. Open to developing ourselves in ways we may be uncomfortable with. Be objective, try not to take things personally, accept that others will have experiences that you may not agree with. That's them, not you. Compare progress against yourself, not others.

5. Have fun. Nothing that sucks is going to last. Find a way to make it fun for you. Whether it's using brightly colored text, telling stories with pictures, incorporating music, overcoming fears, speaking to deceased loved ones, or learning the mysteries of the universe. Focus on an aspect that excites you. Perhaps you do it just to get close to someone you're interested in. Whatever the reason, embrace it.

6. Know that stress is terrible for dreaming. If you're busy with life, looking for a job, have financial difficulties, middle of a divorce, recovering from an addiction, shared dreaming probably isn't right for you RIGHT NOW. Take care of waking life first. Then, if you extra energy and desire novelty check out shared dreaming. Waking life doesn't have to be perfect, but I think putting food on the table is loads more important that playing in an etheric wonderland for shits and giggles. Priorities first.

With all this said, why is it being said?

Honestly, this is just the point I'm at with dreaming. I'm looking for a direction, the next step in my own evolution. I like shared dreaming. There's something magical about it that continues to mystify me. I'd also like to bring that form of telepathy into waking life. Why even bother with that? I don't know, really. Seems nifty. I enjoy it. Others might too. Goes back to the whole intelligent lifeform thing.

I'm secretly hoping that someone of decent intelligence and motivation will begin a not-so-official study with this focus. That's a lot to ask though, I know. One can only dream.

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It's nice to see somebody who thinks the same. "I'm looking for a direction, the next step in my own evolution"

I wrote many posts here on DV and on my blog some time ago, I won't be writing same things again. So I will say in short and share some links.

First of all, I think such term as 'shared dreaming' is not valid. Sharing minds would be more correct. You are thinking right, pointing towards telepathy. You are not sharing dreams to dreams, you can, but its not a must. You can share waking life past/present memories with another person while he is dreaming and vise-versa. You can also meet in dreams and both of you will be affecting current dream. You will be picking up/syncing on most emotional and important events/memories/dreams of each other.

Here are few links on this topic on my blog.
https://flowofmysoul.wordpress.com/2...shared-dreams/

https://flowofmysoul.wordpress.com/2...ared-dreams-2/

And some more threads on DV, threads have different content, not similar to blog.
http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...-dreaming.html


I would be glad to exchange some info, let me know what kind of experience you had, where have you reached, what are you main concerns and etc. And first of all, are you male or female ? :)


P.S. Those links are kind of outdated, I did not post recent achievements, thoughts and updates on any public forums for a while.

Omgosh!> W < If you and flowofmysoul tried shared dreaming I think you guys would make awesome partners since you've both done it many times before. Also, I really enjoyed reading your Sharing Dreamers post. It was very helpful and motivates me to do better.I tried to share dream with Jade a few times but i stopped when he said he had some stress he had to deal with. So we will try it another time maybe and I will keep what you said here in mind. : D

I will be thrilled to be a part of a regular team of shared dreamers. I'm not a good dreamer although I am expecting more lucids soon. A goal like this would be a tremendous help to stay motivated. I have some ideas for experiments. I even have some audio tapes that are specifically designed to do with another person and had some success with them.

Flowofmysoul,

I took a look at the three links you’ve shared (granted I didn’t get to read the entire wordpress blog, but I’d read a few). I agree with most of what you’ve written in regards to shared dreaming, minus one point. I don’t think it’s necessary to know someone well in order to experience a shared dream. I say this because I’ve had these experiences myself, with people I’d barely known. That’s not much in way of evidence for others, I know, but it’s just a point I disagree with. However, I do think knowing someone well is an advantage for most. Expectations are more reasonable which makes interpretation more accurate. Beginning the journey into shared dreaming with people who know one another well-enough definitely isn’t a bad idea; it may even be a good one, heh.

Terminology has always been troublesome for me as I agree with you, ‘shared dreaming’ isn’t as concise as it could be. Sharing minds could be made more concise by simply saying telepathy, no? I agree too about everyone being ‘online’ all the time. So while time zones are irrelevant for a dream visitation, if one party is awake while the other is dreaming of/with them, then it’s not going to make for a shared dream due to the party who wasn’t asleep. We just pick up on another aspect of the person awake. Not bad by any means, but it just removes the opportunity for validation of a shared dream (unless we’re watching someone move around their waking life, but that broadens the area of study ((which also isn’t a terrible thing))).

I’d like to exchange some info. We seem like we’ve had similar dreaming experiences and our perception and approach to the dreamworld are also similar. My main concerns are in regards to telepathy. I’d like to study it and make it a predictable event. To do that, there’d need to be a decent number of participants :D I’m HOPING there may be a group put together that does more than just dream, recall, and say things like ‘that’s really great! So cool! I wish I could do that!” because while this type of feedback is supportive, it does nothing to progress the idea. You’ve mentioned you’re interested in evolving shared dreaming and that’s the direction I’d like to head.

I’m a woman. Although, I don’t exactly see how that matters.

Spoiler for Study ideas I wouldn’t mind seeing::

It would be very cool to have a group where shared dreaming isn’t focused on a pass/fail mentality. Obviously, the ideal outcome is to have two strangers come together in a shared dream without any prompt, just the basic intent to ‘dream with Person A’. Yet, that’s just an end goal. The process to reach that end goal is complex. A program I’d really like to see would involve teaching the skills to reach the previously mentioned end goal. Minimizing external and internal influences and seeing what’s actually there. Removing the filter.

It would be nice to work with participants at an individual level instead of assuming we’re all working from the same skill level. Assess participants for their current level of dreaming (e.g. have they accomplished lucid flight, scene changes, tk, telepathy) and then set goals for them. People don’t need to be at the same levels to dream with one another. I’d assume it would be more advantageous to pair people with different dreaming abilities.

DawnEye,
That does sound appealing. We’ll see though, lots of pots on the burner for me at the moment. One step at a time. I’m glad you enjoyed reading the post. I hope you and Jade find some common dreaming ground :)

Dthoughts,
Very cool. If a group forms I’m sure there’ll be a couple brainstorming sessions. Audio tapes can be extremely helpful, thinking of binaural beats at the moment but I know there’s plenty more.

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Originally Posted by RedKali

Flowofmysoul,

I took a look at the three links you’ve shared (granted I didn’t get to read the entire wordpress blog, but I’d read a few). I agree with most of what you’ve written in regards to shared dreaming, minus one point. I don’t think it’s necessary to know someone well in order to experience a shared dream. I say this because I’ve had these experiences myself, with people I’d barely known. That’s not much in way of evidence for others, I know, but it’s just a point I disagree with. However, I do think knowing someone well is an advantage for most. Expectations are more reasonable which makes interpretation more accurate. Beginning the journey into shared dreaming with people who know one another well-enough definitely isn’t a bad idea; it may even be a good one, heh.

Terminology has always been troublesome for me as I agree with you, ‘shared dreaming’ isn’t as concise as it could be. Sharing minds could be made more concise by simply saying telepathy, no? I agree too about everyone being ‘online’ all the time. So while time zones are irrelevant for a dream visitation, if one party is awake while the other is dreaming of/with them, then it’s not going to make for a shared dream due to the party who wasn’t asleep. We just pick up on another aspect of the person awake. Not bad by any means, but it just removes the opportunity for validation of a shared dream (unless we’re watching someone move around their waking life, but that broadens the area of study ((which also isn’t a terrible thing))).

I’d like to exchange some info. We seem like we’ve had similar dreaming experiences and our perception and approach to the dreamworld are also similar. My main concerns are in regards to telepathy. I’d like to study it and make it a predictable event. To do that, there’d need to be a decent number of participants :D I’m HOPING there may be a group put together that does more than just dream, recall, and say things like ‘that’s really great! So cool! I wish I could do that!” because while this type of feedback is supportive, it does nothing to progress the idea. You’ve mentioned you’re interested in evolving shared dreaming and that’s the direction I’d like to head.

I’m a woman. Although, I don’t exactly see how that matters.

Spoiler for Study ideas I wouldn’t mind seeing::

It would be very cool to have a group where shared dreaming isn’t focused on a pass/fail mentality. Obviously, the ideal outcome is to have two strangers come together in a shared dream without any prompt, just the basic intent to ‘dream with Person A’. Yet, that’s just an end goal. The process to reach that end goal is complex. A program I’d really like to see would involve teaching the skills to reach the previously mentioned end goal. Minimizing external and internal influences and seeing what’s actually there. Removing the filter.

It would be nice to work with participants at an individual level instead of assuming we’re all working from the same skill level. Assess participants for their current level of dreaming (e.g. have they accomplished lucid flight, scene changes, tk, telepathy) and then set goals for them. People don’t need to be at the same levels to dream with one another. I’d assume it would be more advantageous to pair people with different dreaming abilities.

DawnEye,
That does sound appealing. We’ll see though, lots of pots on the burner for me at the moment. One step at a time. I’m glad you enjoyed reading the post. I hope you and Jade find some common dreaming ground :)

Dthoughts,
Very cool. If a group forms I’m sure there’ll be a couple brainstorming sessions. Audio tapes can be extremely helpful, thinking of binaural beats at the moment but I know there’s plenty more.

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RedKali
"I don’t think it’s necessary to know someone well in order to experience a shared dream"
My point of view on this matter changed some time ago. I think it is not necessary at all to know someone to view/share his dreams/memories. Lets say you don't know a person at all, like you and me. After this conversation I consider that I know you enough to share a dream. Confirmed shared dreaming with people on opposite part of the globe whom I knew no more then I know you.
But lets say there is a situation where you want to share a dream with a person whom you never saw and never talked to, never communicated on web too. He does not know that you are planning to share dreams with him/her.. In this case it is still unclear how absence of his/her intention to share will affect this process. But I believe it is still possible.

"but that broadens the area of study"
I stepped into this field with no fixed goal, when I had my first shared dream, my interest only increased. I was still unsure if those were only my subconscious mind games, but when I had my first syncs with other dreamers, I was quiet shocked. Then one sync after another, some were so weird that chances of being randomly lucky are miserable. It is hard to grasp such finding, at first it feels like you just watched a movie in a cinema and you will get back home and everything will get on its places, but then you realize, this really happened, this is really happening..
We are working in a small group of shared dreamers(However I am open to any proposition and I am happy to participate in more studies), we understand that the only way to learn more is to practice and experience more. I reached a certain point where I felt like it is extremely hard to comprehend, interpret and build a model of how this is all working. The area of study suddenly broadens extensively. I had to set some goals at this point, but at the same time I am trying to understand the bigger picture.
One of the the main directions I decided to move is to learn, understand and develop new way of communication between people. I went this direction because I encountered some feelings, emotions and senses that I cannot describe with words and now I feel like words and language is very limited. If only I could share those moments, imagine how life will change.
I saw you are moving towards telepathy, I am too. It sounds as a fantasy, but some day ago lucid dreaming sounded to me as a fantasy, then shared dreaming sounded like a fantasy and now we have to evolve, right ?

As for the definition, I think "Global Consciousness" is a good way to name shared dreaming. I know many people think of something different when they hear Global Consciousness, but what to do.

I've been kind of shrinking away from everyone lately, trying to find a space that's right for me. I would be up for an attempt at proving dream telepathy in a controlled experiment though, if anyone can obtain the cooperation of a sufficiently credentialed individual.