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      Lightbulb Evolving Shared Dreaming

      My previous post on shared dreaming: http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ed-dreams.html

      This topic is made to collect ideas from people who experienced shared dreams. Main target is to evolve shared dreaming to a higher level.
      People who are new to shared dreaming are welcome too, your reports of attempts and its results are very valuable.

      I am participating in a group of lucid dreamers, we are exploring shared dreaming and other beyond dreaming stuff. So in this topic I will highlight some of the conclusions that I came to throughout our experiments.


      For my self I already proved that Shared Dreaming does exist.
      Many people are wondering, why nobody proves that shared dreaming exist. It is hard to prove because there is no fixed definition of this. This is a very complex process, there are many events that look like shared dream, but they have a logical explanation behind them and are not shared dreams. On the other part there are shared dreams where I see no logical explanation at all and I cannot deny those facts.
      For example, when two people are communicating for a long period of time, chances for them to dream of the same event are very high. You may think that they dream of the same event because they talked about it, but not always. Then can dream of the same event that they never talked about to each other. Perhaps their conversation affects their thinking in someway that they are unintentionally desiring to dream of something similar. I cannot explain this phenomena yet, so I will leave it for future.
      The other fake shared dream is a dream where one person tells to another about what he is going to make him dream of. This works especially good with horror dreams. Explanation of this is very simple, you dream of what you intent to dream. When somebody tells you that he is going to come and make you dream of 'A' and 'B' nightmare, you might to set your self for that scenario, depends on your level of understanding of dreaming and shared dreaming. In other words, he creates an intention for you. It is very easy to escape this if you understand lucid dreaming.
      Whenever I see a similarity between our dreams, I try to take it as skeptical as possible. But results that we had are impossible to deny. When you both dream of the same location, you both do the same actions, same colors, same people. When dream subject/topic is insanely weird, chances of few people dreaming of the same weird event are so low and still we do dream of if together, sometimes 3 people at the same time.

      However I never experienced a shared dream where we communicated just like in waking life. I was unable to go through all person memories of waking life or all of his dreams, just some of them or one of them. In the beginning it might sound like something simple. Its not simple at all, when you get into shared dreaming, you face one unknown weird event after another. Everything is hard to comprehend, you might feel relaxed or you might feel scared and unwelcome. But I am willing to improve this ability my whole life, there is a long way to go, but it is a very interesting journey. Remember, its not a switch, you do not turn that option in your mind, you have to learn, understand, experience and develop your shared dreaming.

      These are some of the confirmed syncs that we got, located in different parts of the world.
      I will put 'a' and 'b' as examples.
      We had moments where 'a' dreamt of 'b' waking reality memories.
      Where 'a' dreamt of 'b' dream and at the same time 'b' dreamt of 'a' dream. (or we both observed the same dream or one of us observed another's dream)
      Where 'a' dreamt of 'b' past or future dreams.
      Where 'a' dreamt of 'b' past or future waking reality memories.

      Time zone is not a problem
      You might think that living in different time zones will make shared dreaming impossible - you are wrong. It wont affect your results, simply because the other person always stays alive. No matter if he is sleeping or not, he is there, online :) You might pickup his waking life memories instead of his dreams. You can go for naps and try to catch his sleeping time, 2 hour nap is more then enough.

      How to link with another person
      Another big question, how do you link with another person, how do you find him, how do you get into his dream?
      Out of all methods that I tried, full name of another person was the best way to link to him. I think the reason is that a person hears that phrase through-out his life, it is always important to him. However if a person has a nickname and it is valuable to him, he uses it for some time then he can also be connected to his nickname. So first would be name, second would be nickname. Photo or geo location did not help me to find a specific person.

      Do you need an invitation?
      No, I think no. I tried this with a person whom I know, this person does not know that I am interested in lucid dreaming and so on, rarely recalls dreams and does not believe in lucid dreaming. I tried to see what he is dreaming of, it was hard because he recalls rarely. But couple of times I got the exact same dream as he did. I know this is not a big proof, but for now it is enough. I am going to explore and learn more about it.

      Dream Guardian
      There is a myth that there is something like a dream guardian, personally I encountered it. It is hard to explain, you almost found the person you were looking for, you know he is there for sure, you can feel his presence, however you cannot pass that invisible barrier. It is a definite NO when you try to pass it, you even cannot form some kind of desire to pass through it. Your attempts of getting over it fail before end thinking of them. Really, this is not easy to explain in words, a feeling that you have to feel. It just breaks any desire of getting there, you want to leave and do something else.

      Between dreaming and waking reality
      I would say this is the most important aspect of shared dreaming. For me it is very important to be in that state, I almost felt asleep, but I am still aware of waking world around me(nREM WILD is the definition that I can choose from this forum). Or when I already woke up, but not completely woke up, going back there(DEILD is the definition that I can choose from this forum).
      Some people would not agree with me here, even members of our shared dreaming group think different of this matter. The best syncs and best shared dreams all happened to me in this state. I was dreaming and at the same time was partially aware of my waking reality.

      There are many other ideas on shared dreaming, but I am not ready to share them. We have to explore, explore and explore. More more and more...

      See you there fellow lucid dreamers :)

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      This is very intriguing.

      Quote Originally Posted by user5659 View Post
      full name of another person was the best way to link to him. I think the reason is that a person hears that phrase through-out his life, it is always important to him. However if a person has a nickname and it is valuable to him, he uses it for some time then he can also be connected to his nickname. So first would be name, second would be nickname. Photo or geo location did not help me to find a specific person.
      Is it important to converse with that person enough to have a good idea of what they're like/establish some connection with them? I would think name is more of just a symbol for their personality, in the same way that in waking life we think of places in terms of street addresses, but our actual experience of those places is more about the general feel of the place, the aggregate of sights sounds and smells and the lay of the land and the feelings we associate with it. The address/name is just an easy symbol that we can remember, which calls up this whole association chain.
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      This is the best OP I've seen on shared dreaming in a while, User5659... I hope it evolves into an excellent conversation!
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      Thanks, I will keep my eye on this thread!

      I focused on exploring shared dreaming with a couple of DV members a few years ago.
      We had some very interesting syncs, but never any 100% irrefutable shared dreams.
      I remain ever curious and open minded, but always skeptical, since I know it's not something I'll ever fully understand.

      The time zone definitely did not seem to be an issue. Both of my dreaming partners lived in different countries to me, and were on very different sleep/wake schedules.

      I've had more experiences where my dreams matched waking-life experiences of my partners - sometimes very specific symbols/scenarios that I was not previously aware of, which I find very hard to believe are coincidental.
      I've also had a small number of dream syncs, where we have dreamt of a very similar scenario, from different perspectives.

      I'm going to start exploring this again soon, and will post any future insight I may gain.
      I look forward to reading other people's thoughts and experiences!
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      This is very intriguing.

      Is it important to converse with that person enough to have a good idea of what they're like/establish some connection with them? I would think name is more of just a symbol for their personality, in the same way that in waking life we think of places in terms of street addresses, but our actual experience of those places is more about the general feel of the place, the aggregate of sights sounds and smells and the lay of the land and the feelings we associate with it. The address/name is just an easy symbol that we can remember, which calls up this whole association chain.
      Darkmatters
      It is an interesting question. I think it definitely helps, but it is not a must. I think you can have a shared dream with a person to whom you never spoke. But to increase the probability of having a shared dream, it is important to have a conversation. You need to see and feel how your partner communicates in general, you need to be able to recognize his behavior. This might be different from person to person, but looking from my perspective, I experience many dreams and not all of them are shared, it is important to feel the moment when you are there with another person.
      For example, if you are trying to have a shared dream, you might simply take your dream partner as a regular DC. You will not pay any attention to him, he might feel the same, you will skip each other as you would skip any other DC. That is why it is important to know the personality of your dream partner, the moment you meet him in your dream you will know that it is not a DC. You will feel that there is a difference now, you will realize that this might be a shared dream and you will act accordingly. Perhaps you will want to make your partner realize the same, that is what I often try to do. You need to make something extraordinary, first of all to make them lucid(if they are not) and second to give them a hint that it is "you", you found him. This is why I think conversation is important.


      Yes, you are absolutely right about "more of just a symbol for their personality". People associate their name with their personality, this is why name helps the most.

      Not always your shared dream partner will look the same as he looks in real life. In fact, most of the time he will look to you as he thinks he looks in real life or as he wants to look like. Sometimes dream partner might appear the way he feels. You will rarely see your dream partner exactly the same as you saw him on photo.

      I am not sure if searching a place with a specific emotional connection to your dream partner would help, maybe yes.



      Sageous
      Thanks, I hope so too!



      ~ Dreamer ~
      Great, will be waiting for your insights on this subject.
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      I found the linking interested - When I was with my ex couple years back I use to watch her sleep on nights I couldn't and watch her peacefully sleep - I would always think..what is she dreaming about, so I sat there in silence focused on her mind - imagined that she was with me and I was with her in 1 and that is all I focused on as I fell asleep. I then entered a dream where it was taken place in a bar with a lot of people dancing and I saw this girl dancing alone as I approached her I tapped her shoulder and she turned around and it was my GF - though it was a dream she didn't say OHH HAYYY nor did I acknowledge that we were in a dream, I just went with the flow of the environment til I was woken up by my alarm which she also woken up from her dream.

      I told her - so how well did you dance last nite? .. she said .. lol what you talking about I was here with you watching TV on the couch .. I said NOO in your dream - you were dancing alone in a hoppin club with a lot of people..shes like HOW THE EFF DID YOU KNOW THAT!!!!

      So I think there are more than one technique to share dreams or to sync ones self-conscious to anothers dream aka " telepathy upload"
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      Quote Originally Posted by AstralGypsy View Post
      I found the linking interested - When I was with my ex couple years back I use to watch her sleep on nights I couldn't and watch her peacefully sleep - I would always think..what is she dreaming about, so I sat there in silence focused on her mind - imagined that she was with me and I was with her in 1 and that is all I focused on as I fell asleep. I then entered a dream where it was taken place in a bar with a lot of people dancing and I saw this girl dancing alone as I approached her I tapped her shoulder and she turned around and it was my GF - though it was a dream she didn't say OHH HAYYY nor did I acknowledge that we were in a dream, I just went with the flow of the environment til I was woken up by my alarm which she also woken up from her dream.

      I told her - so how well did you dance last nite? .. she said .. lol what you talking about I was here with you watching TV on the couch .. I said NOO in your dream - you were dancing alone in a hoppin club with a lot of people..shes like HOW THE EFF DID YOU KNOW THAT!!!!

      So I think there are more than one technique to share dreams or to sync ones self-conscious to anothers dream aka " telepathy upload"
      Yes, I also had exactly the same situation with a woman. Dream was different and it was lucid for me, but started the same way. I was in my bed looking at her, thinking what she is dreaming about, where is she now. I felt asleep and found my self in a dream that did not look like mine. When I woke up I asked her what did she dreamt of last night, she told me about the same dream that I was in with her.
      I think it definitely changes the situation if you know the person who you are dreaming with. But you understand that it is incredibly rare to meet another person who believes in lucid dreaming and is interested in dream sharing and etc.

      I did not mention this in the main post, so I will write my ideas on it here.

      Linking to a person whom you know close enough or/and are emotionally connected to
      So how it works and why. I think it is similar to a connection where you just communicate on distance, a more advanced method I would say. Knowing a person in real life should create a much stronger link. You know the person well, you know his emotions, his reactions, his behavior and personality in general. It is very important to be able to notice and feel those, I think it not only helps you distinguish between a normal dream and a shared dream, but also somehow attracts your dreaming minds to each other.


      This is one of my dreams or targets in future. To have a shared and lucid dream with a person I know well, to communicate with each other in this dream on a new level. From what I know, this will be an amazing experience, something that we never felt before.
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      Just a little update for those who are interested.

      It is present or past shared dreams/memories. As for now, no syncs on events from dreams/memories of future.

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      Did you note how many times you were successful at achieving the shared dreams?

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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11 View Post
      Did you note how many times you were successful at achieving the shared dreams?
      20+ times, usually every Saturday as scheduled, but sometimes in other days too.
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      Dang, that's a lot. : O Congrats on getting so many.One more question I have is could shared dreaming have any negative effects on the people who share dream together? Just a question that popped into my head after reading a negative comment about it. Not that I believe everything I read. ^^"

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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11 View Post
      Dang, that's a lot. : O Congrats on getting so many.One more question I have is could shared dreaming have any negative effects on the people who share dream together? Just a question that popped into my head after reading a negative comment about it. Not that I believe everything I read. ^^"
      Hmm, the only negative aspect that comes to my mind is: If you have secrets that you are afraid/shy to give away, you might give them away during shared dreaming. Not only your dreams, but also your waking life memories/events.
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      Oh, Ok. Thanks for answering my questions. : 3

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      I would like to believe our intent is crucial for any undertaking. To open the passage between two people, in a confidential meeting through the dream reality, depends on the heart of trust. A silent connection of two minds, in agreement, put in motion the details of the shared dream. Through one-pointed unbending intent, deep sincerity to follow through, and joyful determination of a successful meeting, the details become manifest and the shared dream awakens in an immediate and spontaneous fulfillment.

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