Telepathy and The Lottery

**bradybaker** · 02-28-2005 06:24 AM

Ok, this a point that has been brought up in a few threads recently.

If so many of you have crazy psychic powers, why don't you go to the casino or buy a lottery ticket and make a quick $10 million? And before you all play the "these powers can only be used for good" card, why don't you donate it all to charity and make some kid in Ethiopia really happy?

**justme** · 02-28-2005 06:28 AM

"i do not control my visions they come to me!" lol! im a vfp. very funny person! lol. well im sure there are some people who have visions. maybe... not... well im just trying to keep openminded.

**yayotters** · 02-28-2005 07:10 AM

some physics may not be able to predict things such as lottery numbers. who knows?

**minion_qb** · 02-28-2005 04:06 PM

Now let's see. A supposed psychic could predict the end of the world or the arrival of aliens but yet they can't figure out 5 simple numbers? Sounds a little strange to me. And you say your powers can only be used for good things. Is there some invisible force that holds you back?

**Soilent Green** · 03-03-2005 08:19 PM

perhaps any psychic that could predict lottery numbers chooses not to, after seeing his future as fat and unhappy, in a loveless marraige to a trophy wife, that leaves him as soon as he decides that money is not for him and donates it all to charity.

**Kaniaz** · 03-03-2005 09:45 PM

If that's a problem you could donate it to some poor kids, as already said. Besides, winning the lottery always makes you happy. You only get the whole fat and unhappy thing in movies.

**peebrain** · 03-05-2005 08:30 PM

http://grillflame.com/

http://www.psiexplorer.com/businss3.htm

http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/072004/fxmarket.html

Who says people don't do that? Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it isn't happening

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~Sean

**minion_qb** · 03-05-2005 11:11 PM

If such as thing were occuring there would have been some reports of encounters of such a thing. And, just because I haven't heard it doesn't mean it's happenin.g

**peebrain** · 03-06-2005 01:40 AM

There HAVE been reports.

http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/

Good lord. Why are skeptics under the impression that if something psychic is real, that everyone around the world is obligated to inform them immediately? Shit happens that you don't know about. News reports exist that you've never heard of. Wow.

~Sean

EDIT: I have media of psi scattered all over my harddrive... I just found this video (I don't know where I originally downloaded it from): http://psipog.net/media/video/insearch.mov (Right Click, Save Target As...)

EDIT: http://www.trv.com/movieviewer.html?itemid...=320&height=240

**Kaniaz** · 03-06-2005 11:37 AM

Originally posted by peebrain
There HAVE been reports.

Before I begin, I do know you don't like arguing. If that's a problem just don't respond to this post. There are enough people \"on your side of the fence\" to continue the argument

http://grillflame.com/ [/b]

Not a single success story. So what's your point, my grandma keeps a table of all the lottery numbers she's tried over the past years and is getting pretty much the same success rate as these guys (2, perhaps 3 balls)

http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/[/b]

What has this got to do with winning the lottery? They don't mention it at all.

http://www.psiexplorer.com/businss3.htm [/b]

Some completely baseless claim on a site that is pro-psi. Apparently they earned $25,000 dollars in the stock market by remote viewing or something of the like.

http://www.trvnews.com/tmn/072004/fxmarket.html [/b]

Very elaborate, but once again no success stories of actually winning the lottery.

Good lord. *Why are skeptics under the impression that if something psychic is real, that everyone around the world is obligated to inform them immediately? *Shit happens that you don't know about. *News reports exist that you've never heard of. *Wow.[/b]

We're not "under the impression". I know if/when the day comes you predict the lottery numbers correctly, you'll defintely tell *everyone* about it. All we have here is an forum that hasn't won the lottery, an site with a pretty wobbly account, and an elaborate plan to use the stock market and the like and remote view so they have an advantage, but once again - no success.

So it's certainly not lack of trying.

There must be at least a thousand people trying this regulary. And that is an extremely conserative amount. There's probably millions of people that try and "see into the future" to get the lottery numbers right, but have failed. Of course they're not doing it as actively as these guys. But I somehow don't think that's the problem.

All the results I've seen, if I assume that none of them are biased in any way, are no better than me guessing the numbers right out.

**singedredrose** · 03-06-2005 02:30 PM

about the whole physic things...........we need 2 get some thingz straight........ first of all physics arent freaks they cant help who they are......... second, if i could predict lottery numbers, which i cant, then i would keep it 4 myself insteada giving 2 charity.... screw that ........ third, most ppl who claim 2 be physic r just physchos but they r ppl who really r physic.........fourth, u cant force visions 2 come 2 u, they just come, along with huge headaches, you dont nessecarily see the future of aliens destructing r planet, or wut the f-ing number is 4 a lottery, and u cant make urself c shit like that........ fifth, well, im not in the mood to think of nething else.............

**Placebo** · 03-06-2005 04:10 PM

ferst, well, im not in the mood to try reeding all dat. wut da F .............

**peebrain** · 03-06-2005 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Kaniaz
...Not a single success story...

Ok, I didn't produce a link to a single lottery success story... fair enough. But do you have any comments on the videos I posted in the EDIT's at the end? By no means did I intend on listing every link to psi+lottery combinations. Try google.com if you're really interested... though you probably won't.

~Sean

**minion_qb** · 03-06-2005 08:44 PM

And even if you did post all the psi+lottery combination sites that you found, they'd all be as unreliable and baseless as the ones you hvae already posted.

And something that's unrelated.

well, im not in the mood to think of nething else[/b]

Couldn't you just spell it right? Change the friggin e to an o.

**Kaniaz** · 03-06-2005 08:58 PM

Originally posted by peebrain+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(peebrain)</div>

<!--QuoteBegin-Kaniaz

...Not a single success story...

Ok, I didn't produce a link to a single lottery success story... fair enough. But do you have any comments on the videos I posted in the EDIT's at the end? By no means did I intend on listing every link to psi+lottery combinations. Try google.com if you're really interested... though you probably won't.

~Sean[/b]

I'm usually unable/not keen to view psi videos. They either turn out to be another toothpick thingy, or psi-wheel spinning, or something like that. I'm on an 56k. So downloading big videos for things we've already done isn't very good or convinent for me, sorry. What are the videos? If it's something new I'll view them.

about the whole physic things...........we need 2 get some thingz straight........ first of all physics arent freaks they cant help who they are......... [cut here][/b]

This is one of the major problems with physic stuff. I may not believe in it, but people like peebrain command respect from me. For a start, he can spell. So when posts like the one above come along, it really does trash the small nugget of good reputation the psi guys have. Please come back after you can spell it right, or you will only provoke disdain. Not only does it trash the reputation, it just annoys people. k?

**peebrain** · 03-07-2005 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Kaniaz
I'm usually unable/not keen to view psi videos. They either turn out to be another toothpick thingy, or psi-wheel spinning, or something like that. I'm on an 56k. So downloading big videos for things we've already done isn't very good or convinent for me, sorry. What are the videos? If it's something new I'll view them.

The first is a TV-rip from a Sci-Fi story, with a person correctly remote viewing the location of a target person. The second video is a news report from UPN about another person remote viewing a helicopter crash correctly.

Get DSL dude

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~Sean

**shel** · 03-07-2005 03:23 AM

Originally posted by bradybaker
If so many of you have crazy psychic powers, why don't you go to the casino or buy a lottery ticket and make a quick $10 million? And before you all play the \"these powers can only be used for good\" card, why don't you donate it all to charity and make some kid in Ethiopia really happy?

a lottery winner? thats youre argument against researched phenomena? i think you're gonna have to do better than that.

**Kaniaz** · 03-07-2005 09:21 AM

Sure it dosen't encompass everything all at once, shel, but it's a pretty big part of it. I mean if you cannot predict 5 numbers (that's all it is at the end of the day), you probably aren't able to predict anything more complicated than that. And what's this research?

peebrain, I'll have a look at the videos when I get home from school then.

**Placebo** · 03-07-2005 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Kaniaz
Sure it dosen't encompass everything all at once, shel, but it's a pretty big part of it. I mean if you cannot predict 5 numbers (that's all it is at the end of the day), you probably aren't able to predict anything more complicated than that. And what's this research?

You're making one fatal assumption

- that complex things are always easier for the brain to manage
Take this as an example... I bet you can remember a 64x64 diagram of a dolphin far quicker and easier than a 7 digit number (lotteries are 7 digits in my country)
Or... take the 'remember names vs faces' example. Can you remember names easier than faces?

**shel** · 03-07-2005 02:19 PM

some research:

You Are Psychic by pete j. sanders; MIT graduate who created a program for developing psychic senses

Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain by sheila ostrander and lynn schroeder; "During the mid-1970's, this book astounded the world with its fascinating facts behind psychic research in official laboratories from Prague to Moscow."

there is record of various countries researching psychic abilities, such as remote viewing, for use in the military and local police departments. there may be no recorded reports of psychic senses (they are not "crazy powers") being used to win the lottery, but could it be possible that someone who may have used this method was worried about the scrutiny that they would recieve from the public. i mean just look at this thread.

im not saying all psychics are authentic, because there are frauds out there. why dont all doctors practice plastic surgery? that can make them millionaires. some people have different value systems. my point was just that there is opinion(and you know what they say about opinions), and then there is research & experimentation, which is what scientists and researchers do.

Originally posted by Kaniaz
I mean if you cannot predict 5 numbers (that's all it is at the end of the day), you probably aren't able to predict anything more complicated than that.

the odd for winning the lottery is 1 in 14,000,000 on a good day. i think finding that winning number would be pretty damn complicated

**Kaniaz** · 03-07-2005 05:27 PM

Because of the odds, shel? I don't think the odds of winning would have any impact on psyhic powers deducing the numbers. That would be weird.

You're making one fatal assumption Wink - that complex things are always easier for the brain to manage
Take this as an example... I bet you can remember a 64x64 diagram of a dolphin far quicker and easier than a 7 digit number (lotteries are 7 digits in my country)
Or... take the 'remember names vs faces' example. Can you remember names easier than faces?[/b]

My bad. I'm not much of an debater. And I think the lottery is 7 digits, I don't play it so I don't know

Either way, I'd still say this was very much possible. Okay, so it'll take a little work, but this is for alot of money.

there is record of various countries researching psychic abilities, such as remote viewing, for use in the military and local police departments[/b]

Means nothing - STARGATE got bad/useless results and was closed.

You Are Psychic by pete j. sanders; MIT graduate who created a program for developing psychic senses

Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain by sheila ostrander and lynn schroeder; \"During the mid-1970's, this book astounded the world with its fascinating facts behind psychic research in official laboratories from Prague to Moscow.\" [/b]

I wouldn't call this feasible research. They sound more like somebodies opinon than an objective review of both parties - \"yes it's real\" and \"no it's not\". Still, I haven't read them so I won't make any assumptions.

there may be no recorded reports of psychic senses (they are not \"crazy powers\") being used to win the lottery, but could it be possible that someone who may have used this method was worried about the scrutiny that they would recieve from the public. i mean just look at this thread. [/b]

Don't be silly, the grillflame site has no people worrying about the scrutiny they'd get, and I doubt I'd care what other people thought if I won the lottery.

im not saying all psychics are authentic, because there are frauds out there. why dont all doctors practice plastic surgery? that can make them millionaires.[/b]

Everybody wants to be a millionare. Hosts of reasons for your doctor analogy type thing:

A) They cannot actually do plastic surgery.
B) They are not qualified (same as above in an sense)
C) There isn't a big market for plastic surgery.
D) They cannot afford to start up a plastic surgery business like thing.
E) They have a bad track record.
F) Simply cannot be bothered (ie: were lazy at school).

Whereas some physics, or should I say claimaints:

A) Can apparently predict numbers like this from the comfort of their own home.

**shel** · 03-08-2005 12:09 AM

as i said, research the subject of psychic ability and then we can discuss it. otherwise you are just making uneducated judgements. if you want to know something, learn about it. you dont have to believe it or accept it, but you can at least make a judgement with something to go on.

im really sorry, its not my intent to be offensive

**Kaniaz** · 03-08-2005 06:27 PM

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**Placebo** · 03-08-2005 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Kaniaz
I wrote a really long post here, shel, putting up with all the laughing and snickering, admitting my big mistakes and not mentioning yours whatsoever. In summary, doing the mature thing. But then I thought, oh yeah, he's being an ASSHOLE. He's doing what people like him asked me NOT to do. So, if this is what I get in return, for abiding with request from people like yourself for me to not laugh at them even when it gets really dodo-headed to me, he certainly dosen't MERIT A REPLY. Nice level of maturity you've got going there shel.

So, with love my dear

Well, don't let him destroy your attempt at a new attitude ... I've always liked your responses and I prefer them not to be laced with poison