Oliver Fox's astral projection

[mek]

I picked up Oliver Fox's Astral Projection a few months ago. I don't know why or how I started reading it, but I ordered a used copy that's probably as old as the publication itself and immediately read it all. Anyway, I found it very inspiring and since that time (the last few months) I've been able to have a few exhilarating, though short-lived lucid dreams - usually by checking my digital watch, but one time a baby's head fell off and that summed up the situation for me. So, being new at this, I had a few questions regarding lucid dreaming, and Mr. Fox's book: 1) Would you say that Fox's book is accurate? The piercing pain in the forehead when becoming lucid? The "elastic band" that ties you to your body? How about the trips up into the sky? 2) What are some other fundamental readings that I should get on this subject? Right now I'm really just trying to improve my lucid dreaming rate. 3) I am olnly able to become lucid once every 20-30 nights for a very short time? How can I get better? 4) Can anyone lucid dream EVERY night? Thanks Everyone! -mek

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by mek I picked up Oliver Fox's Astral Projection a few months ago. I don't know why or how I started reading it, but I ordered a used copy that's probably as old as the publication itself and immediately read it all. Anyway, I found it very inspiring and since that time (the last few months) I've been able to have a few exhilarating, though short-lived lucid dreams - usually by checking my digital watch, but one time a baby's head fell off and that summed up the situation for me. * So, being new at this, I had a few questions regarding lucid dreaming, and Mr. Fox's book: 1) Would you say that Fox's book is accurate? The piercing pain in the forehead when becoming lucid? The \"elastic band\" that ties you to your body? How about the trips up into the sky? * 2) What are some other fundamental readings that I should get on this subject? Right now I'm really just trying to improve my lucid dreaming rate. 3) I am olnly able to become lucid once every 20-30 nights for a very short time? How can I get better? * 4) Can anyone lucid dream EVERY night? Thanks Everyone! -mek 1st of all, welcome to the forum! 1) I don't think so, however, WILD does involve some static, & I do sometimes have special dreams where I have a sash around me. 2) ??? This site is mostly on LDing, so I couldn't answer that. 3) Try to RC, & WILD works too! 4) I can!!! 5) Talk about stuff beyond dreaming in the Beyond Dreaming area!

[AstrologicChaos]

NESgirl...uh oh! You mixed up four and five! Shame shame!

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by mek I picked up Oliver Fox's Astral Projection a few months ago. I don't know why or how I started reading it, but I ordered a used copy that's probably as old as the publication itself and immediately read it all. Anyway, I found it very inspiring and since that time (the last few months) I've been able to have a few exhilarating, though short-lived lucid dreams - usually by checking my digital watch, but one time a baby's head fell off and that summed up the situation for me. * So, being new at this, I had a few questions regarding lucid dreaming, and Mr. Fox's book: 1) Would you say that Fox's book is accurate? The piercing pain in the forehead when becoming lucid? The \"elastic band\" that ties you to your body? How about the trips up into the sky? * 2) What are some other fundamental readings that I should get on this subject? Right now I'm really just trying to improve my lucid dreaming rate. 3) I am olnly able to become lucid once every 20-30 nights for a very short time? How can I get better? * 4) Can anyone lucid dream EVERY night? * * Thanks Everyone! * * -mek Oh, yes, Oliver Fox was one of the most respected authors in the Field of Astral Projection for many decades. The Trilogy of Experts on Astral Projection was Oliver Fox, Sylvan Muldoon, and Robert Monroe. there is now a youngster named Robert Bruce ("Astral Dynamics") who will keep the New Age Seminars Industry from going cold, in regards to Out of Body Experience, as this Generation is embarrassed to call it 'Astral Projection', perhaps supposing the phrase Out of Body Experience more 'atheist friendly' as so many more people these days are more atheist than ever before, but since they have money to spend on books and seminars, their tastes must be considered too. But, yes, Oliver Fox was very credible. How do we know? Well, he was honest enough to be the first to point out that Astral Travel, even on the Physical Plane, contained a great deal of subjective content. Thus he inferred that Astral Travel could only parallel the Physical Plane, and that it did not seem likely that one could be entirely in the World without the Astral bleeding over with symbolic content and strange spirits popping up here and there. At the time, the Astral Projection people were trying to insist that Astral Projection was REAL and tried to distance themselves from Dreaming. But Oliver Fox would not go along with the party line, and with his insistance that Subjective Content was always present left the Astral Projection people open to the Argument that Astral Projections were only forms of Dreaming. But Oliver Fox considered his Intellectual Honesty more important than convenient arguments. Anybody that maintains what is damaging to their central arguments is probably well worth trusting in the remainder of their details. If they wanted to lie, they would have lied all around, wouldn't they? Now, Sylvan Muldoon reiterates much of Oliver Fox's models and themes. But perhaps Sylvan Muldoon even does so with more effort to present coherent techniques and intellectual models. Sylvan Muldoon was the Robert Bruce of his day. The best 'How To' books on Astral Projection. Robert Monroe, though, is a bit controversial. He was a fiction writer at first, I believe. One of his subsequent books on astral projection reads a bit like fiction. The ending is too pat and smug and formulaic in the Sci-Fi sense to be entirely truthful. Then controvercy surrounds him. For instance, the first few chapters of his first book describe how he had his first Astral Projection... I forget how. But then some debunker later found an earlier publication where somebody name 'Bob' wrote in giving virtually the same account of a first Astral Projection, but the precipitating cause was "glue sniffing". It did appear that Robert Monroe may have decided to write a book on Astral Projection, but cleaned up the truth a great deal in order to secure a mainstream publisher. Monroe is still going strong, the last I've heard... he was youngest of the Astral Triumvirate. There is even a Monroe Institute, but it is easy to suspect that it is an excuse to merchandise stuff, not so much because it may work very well, but because he could get clear patents so he could exercise a monopoly. The Placebo Effect is often powerful enough to make anything seem worth the money, for awhile, anyway. So, yes, read Monroe, because there is a chance some of it might have been sincere and true. But certainly read Oliver Fox and Sylvan Muldoon because a Generation of Astral Projectors have vouched for every word they have said.

[Gargen]

Originally posted by Leo Volont+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leo Volont)</div> <!--QuoteBegin-mek I picked up Oliver Fox's Astral Projection a few months ago. I don't know why or how I started reading it, but I ordered a used copy that's probably as old as the publication itself and immediately read it all. Anyway, I found it very inspiring and since that time (the last few months) I've been able to have a few exhilarating, though short-lived lucid dreams - usually by checking my digital watch, but one time a baby's head fell off and that summed up the situation for me. * So, being new at this, I had a few questions regarding lucid dreaming, and Mr. Fox's book: 1) Would you say that Fox's book is accurate? The piercing pain in the forehead when becoming lucid? The \"elastic band\" that ties you to your body? How about the trips up into the sky? * 2) What are some other fundamental readings that I should get on this subject? Right now I'm really just trying to improve my lucid dreaming rate. 3) I am olnly able to become lucid once every 20-30 nights for a very short time? How can I get better? * 4) Can anyone lucid dream EVERY night? * * Thanks Everyone! * * -mek Oh, yes, Oliver Fox was one of the most respected authors in the Field of Astral Projection for many decades. The Trilogy of Experts on Astral Projection was Oliver Fox, Sylvan Muldoon, and Robert Monroe. there is now a youngster named Robert Bruce (\"Astral Dynamics\") who will keep the New Age Seminars Industry from going cold, in regards to Out of Body Experience, as this Generation is embarrassed to call it 'Astral Projection', perhaps supposing the phrase Our of Body Experience more 'atheist friendly' as so many more people these days are more atheist than ever before, but since they have money to spend on books and seminars, their tastes must be considered too. But, yes, Oliver Fox was very credible. How do we know? Well, he was honest enough to be the first to point out that Astral Travel, even on the Physical Plane, contained a great deal of subjective content. Thus he inferred that Astral Travel could only parallel the Physical Plane, and that it did not seem likely that one could be entirely in the World without the Astral bleeding over with symbolic content and strange spirits popping up here and there. At the time, the Astral Projection people were trying to insist that Astral Projection was REAL and tried to distance themselves from Dreaming. But Oliver Fox would not go along with the party line, and with his insistance that Subjective Content was always present left the Astral Projection people open to the Argument that Astral Projections were only forms of Dreaming. But Oliver Fox considered his Intellectual Honesty more important than convenient arguments. Anybody that maintains what is damaging to their central arguments is probably well worth trusting in the remainder of their details. If they wanted to lie, they would have lied all around, wouldn't they? Now, Sylvan Muldoon reiterates much of Oliver Fox's models and themes. But perhaps Sylvan Muldoon even does so with more effort to present coherent techniques and intellectual models. Sylvan Muldoon was the Robert Bruce of his day. The best 'How To' books on Astral Projection. Robert Monroe, though, is a bit controversial. He was a fiction writer at first, I believe. One of his subsequent books on astral projection reads a bit like fiction. The ending is too pat and smug and formulaic in the Sci-Fi sense to be entirely truthful. Then controvercy surrounds him. For instance, the first few chapters of his first book describe how he had his first Astral Projection... I forget how. But then some debunker later found an earlier publication where somebody name 'Bob' wrote in giving virtually the same account of a first Astral Projection, but the precipitating cause was \"glue sniffing\". It did appear that Robert Monroe may have decided to write a book on Astral Projection, but cleaned up the truth a great deal in order to secure a mainstream publisher. Monroe is still going strong, the last I've heard... he was youngest of the Astral Triumvirate. There is even a Monroe Institute, but it is easy to suspect that it is an excuse to merchandise stuff, not so much because it may work very well, but because he could get clear patents so he could exercise a monopoly. The Placebo Effect is often powerful enough to make anything seem worth the money, for awhile, anyway. So, yes, read Monroe, because there is a chance some of it might have been sincere and true. But certainly read Oliver Fox and Sylvan Muldoon because a Generation of Astral Projectors have vouched for every word they have said.[/b] holy shit dude your smart but do you know who Iron Maiden is

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by AstrologicChaos NESgirl...uh oh! You mixed up four and five! Shame shame! * No I did not!! I knew what I was going!! I was making it clear to him that he should really discuss this stuff in the Beyond Dreaming area!

[mek]

thanx for the replies. i guess some of my initial questions aren't answered though. How can I increase my LD occurence rate? Will it just naturally increase over time? Also, what's with the video game/anime motif on this site? Do video games help dreaming or something? If so, I'm jumping right on my Xbox!

[Kaniaz]

OK I'll move this to Beyond Dreaming since it fits more there. You'll get more replies there.

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by mek thanx for the replies. i guess some of my initial questions aren't answered though. How can I increase my LD occurence rate? Will it just naturally increase over time? Also, what's with the video game/anime motif on this site? Do video games help dreaming or something? If so, I'm jumping right on my Xbox! Just keep trying...you'll get there! It could, or you could work on increasing it. Video Games actually are something I dream about perhaps a bit too often. I guess in a way they could if you played the ones that have to do w/LDing!

[Asclepius]

I've heard some people say that OBE's are a form of lucid dream. They will site studies which attempted to have someone in an OBE describe a physical object. Generally the studies had people report OBE's the object/task did not resemble the target. Formal studies were tried using double blind methodologies to try to prevent experimental bias. There seems to be a high degree of common phenomenon between LDs and OBE. Some stalwart OBE people will insist on the reality of their experience. However if you've ever been fooled by a false awakening, then you recognize that reality is a matter open to discussion. Personally my one OBE experience didn't match any books I had read. It came about through meditation, and when I left my body I was in a formless empty realm, did not see my body (physical or subtle, and no silver cord). It did feel great. When it ended there was a slight feeling of falling, but the transition was very quick. Never saw anything while in that state, and sadly haven't duplicated it yet.

[Sortilegio]

Originally posted by Gargen holy shit dude your smart but do you know who Iron Maiden is LOL, hahahahahahaha, I don't know why but I just freakingly started to laugh when I read this Dude, you could read more on the tutorial this site offers, I would recomend you keep a dream journal, and get used to remembering dreams well before anything, then you could start moving on with other technichs, you could also start getting used to being, in waking life, more used to the looks of your surroundings, and do things like checking your watch twice, time is never the same in a dream when checked consecutevly , so this way when your dreaming and are doing the same things in waking life, when you check your watch you will notice you are dreamin damn I think I got all messed up here