I've been to the other side talking to loved ones, have you

[hydraat_takiyah]

In this topic, i will not share my experience unless you share yours first. If I don't get a response by tomorrow, i will share!!!

[Seeker]

Closest I've come to anything like that was when I was attempting to WILD and my sister walked into my hotel room and sat down in the chair next to the bed. She had on a white bath robe and slippers. We didn;t get to talk, it startled me so much I woke up.

[RyanParis]

I'vd had many wide-awake astral experiences. In one such experience, I astral projected into my room by accident, and saw my families astral bodies, standing up dreaming inside some starry building. My family was sleeping in their beds at the time, and dreaming I assume. At the same time, there was other starry beings, or astral, beings walking around some starry-looking astral plane. I know it wasn't a normal lucid dream, because my families astral bodies were there standing up dreaming and I was just as conscious as in physical life, and moving around my room with my astral body. At the end of the projection, I woke up in bed with a MAJOR jolt. I nearly tipped off the bed after the jolt. I knew I projected because projection always ends with a fall or jolt.

[jaden27]

Yes, i visited my grandfather 3 months after he had passed. When he died i was not able to attend his funeral, nor did i get a chance to talk to him before it happened. I felt so horrible that i didn't go, and felt that if he was still aware of things after dying that he would be so angry and disappointed with me. So anyhow 3 months after he died i had a very very vivid dream that i was standing in a beautiful log cabin home surrounded by thousands of trees and flowers. I was standing in the living room with my 4 month old daughter (whom he had never gotten a chance to see) when my grandfather walked through the door. We never had a real relationship when he was alive and i didn't see him much but when i got a chance to he would sit and talk for hours to all us kids. anyhow he walked in through the door and he looked so young and vibrant. I'd have guessed him to be about 35-40 years old. The love that came between us was so electrifying that it felt as if we were best friends reaquainted. He asked if he could hold my daughter and of course i handed her to him. He then told me he had something for me, and that it was in the stream outside his home. I went outside and looked and there was a stream that had a huge pile of misc. items all piled up like a hill in the middle. He told me to go to the pile of items and pick out one thing and that i was to keep it with me the rest of my life. I went and picked out something (which is weird because in my dream i could remember loving this item, but when i awoke i couldn't remember what it was) and went back to find him to show him what i had picked out, but he was nowhere and i felt a deep sadness because again i hadn't told him goodbye. After sometime i realized that i had said goodbye, just not in words, i had came to him in his own place and longed to see him again, and although i have never figured out what picking and item out of a pile to keep meant, i think i might someday.

[nesgirl119]

One time, I got kind of close, but not close enough. It was the night...my boyfriend died... Well, anyways, I went on my usual journeys that one night (had no idea what I was doing, but to be w/my boyfriend who used to be able to do the same, that was just plain fun). Then I thought to myself, "Hey!! What if I brought my boyfriend w/me for a little date around the world?" I do that....pick him up from his room, & do so. And flip, if I would have known back then my sash connected to my bed, I would have known about it, since his sash from his back was CUT!! Then he disappeared from me in a mist....I was crying, not knowing what was happening....that is, until my parents told me..... I miss him!!! and can & will never ever stop crying...we were SERIOUS w/each other, too!! Flip!! And going out w/others that have those dreams doesn't cut it (at least their sashes are nice & tightly connected to their beds..) the same...still, I still want to try it w/splash!!!

[hydraat_takiyah]

Originally posted by jaden27 Yes, i visited my grandfather 3 months after he had passed. When he died i was not able to attend his funeral, nor did i get a chance to talk to him before it happened. I felt so horrible that i didn't go, and felt that if he was still aware of things after dying that he would be so angry and disappointed with me. So anyhow 3 months after he died i had a very very vivid dream that i was standing in a beautiful log cabin home surrounded by thousands of trees and flowers. I was standing in the living room with my 4 month old daughter (whom he had never gotten a chance to see) when my grandfather walked through the door. We never had a real relationship when he was alive and i didn't see him much but when i got a chance to he would sit and talk for hours to all us kids. anyhow he walked in through the door and he looked so young and vibrant. I'd have guessed him to be about 35-40 years old. The love that came between us was so electrifying that it felt as if we were best friends reaquainted. He asked if he could hold my daughter and of course i handed her to him. He then told me he had something for me, and that it was in the stream outside his home. I went outside and looked and there was a stream that had a huge pile of misc. items all piled up like a hill in the middle. He told me to go to the pile of items and pick out one thing and that i was to keep it with me the rest of my life. I went and picked out something (which is weird because in my dream i could remember loving this item, but when i awoke i couldn't remember what it was) and went back to find him to show him what i had picked out, but he was nowhere and i felt a deep sadness because again i hadn't told him goodbye. After sometime i realized that i had said goodbye, just not in words, i had came to him in his own place and longed to see him again, and although i have never figured out what picking and item out of a pile to keep meant, i think i might someday. Wow!!!!! I think that is one of the most beautiful dream stories i've ever read, i'm almost in tears of joy!!!!! Maybe the item was a favorite toy that he remembers and you don't. But wasn't i just lovely to sit and talk with him again!!!!God blees you and you are so blessed to have had such a ginuine experience like that!!!

[hydraat_takiyah]

Ok, once i had this dream of a beautiful place. The air was clean, the grass was the greenest i had ever seen grass, and there was not one piece of litter on the ground!! NOt even a cigarette but, lol!!!!!!So i was going to visit my aunt and uncle, whom were black. I said that to say this. They lived in this hirise building and when i got to their apt. there were lots of white kids playing in the front great room. So i thought, wow, that's wierd. not prejudiced or anything, but you know what i mean. ok, maybe that didn't sound right, Anyhow, I went back to their bedroom and my uncle and aunt were in bed. He was reading the paper. and she and i proceeded to talk. So i kept saying to her, wow, you look so good. the both of you. I asked her how she'd been and she asked me,"when are coming to live with me?" i said i don't know, sort of bewildered at why she would ask me something like that. she kept asking and was very persistent. when it finally dawned on me that she was dead, I started whaling histerically saying no auntie, i don't want to come and live with you, you are dead!!! she said shut up and stop your wining!!! I got the hell out of that dream quick!!! I thought she was coming for me. I couldn't sleep for a week!!!

[Howie]

Sorry for all you folks who have lost a loved one or more. I have had both Lucid dreams and regular dreams with passed away loved ones. When I am lucid I know they are dead, therefore I think I would prefer to see them in the context of a regular dream. I have tried to convince myself as I was lucid that this is a great opportunity and medium through which I can again see my loved ones. But the dark, ever present cloud that they are gone, I can't seem to shake. Maybe someday.

[Worlds Within]

[quote]Sorry for all you folks who have lost a loved one or more. I have had both Lucid dreams and regular dreams with passed away loved ones. When I am lucid I know they are dead, therefore I think I would prefer to see them in the context of a regular dream. I have tried to convince myself as I was lucid that this is a great opportunity and medium through which I can again see my loved ones. But the dark, ever present cloud that they are gone, I can't seem to shake. Maybe someday. Howetzer, I hope you achieve your desire. I have occasional non-lucid dreams of my deceased mother and grandmother. They are always as they were in life. It will be interesting to see what my dreams are like whenever I achieve lucidity.

[wasup]

Well, when you visit someone in a dream you are visiting your perception of them, you are not actually visiting them though.

[Howie]

Originally posted by Worlds Within+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Worlds Within)</div> Howetzer, I hope you achieve your desire. I have occasional non-lucid dreams of my deceased mother and grandmother. They are always as they were in life. It will be interesting to see what my dreams are like whenever I achieve lucidity.[/b] Thank you Worlds Within. I suggest when you become lucid don't think of it as though they are gone. They may be. But through lucid dreaming, what a great way to see that person again. <!--QuoteBegin-ataraxis Well, when you visit someone in a dream you are visiting your perception of them, you are not actually visiting them though. I did not mean to give the impression that you are talking to Them as in the real THEM. Although some do believe that. I however think it is just a DC. So it messes with you head a little when you think about it. You would actually be having a discussion with yourself. BUT!! This discussion would be a manifested character from your subconscious that would implement remarkable detail and thought processes that would be accurate to the real person that has passed.

[Gus]

Originally posted by ataraxis Well, when you visit someone in a dream you are visiting your perception of them, you are not actually visiting them though. that can be argued, the astral realm and the dream realm are interwoven, thus meaning if you visit your perception of someone in a dream, you are visiting a part of them on the astral, thus meaning you are actually visiting them if it is done in a dream however, your mind adds a bit of glitter and pretty colors, the astral is a little less detailed (unless its their creation in the astral) in which case its technically the same as a dream my grandmother had dreams where her husband visited her after he died, and once the visits stopped my grandmother (only one time) actually subconscoiusly projected herself into the astral whilst asleep and had a fully conscious experience of flying around thought realms in search for him.. now she didnt find him but that does not mean hes not out there somewhere i hope i can learn to astral project better, if i can get him to visit her one last time i think it would serve her a world of good, or perhaps not i dont know ne way thought id share

[hydraat_takiyah]

Originally posted by ataraxis Well, when you visit someone in a dream you are visiting your perception of them, you are not actually visiting them though. EVEN IF YOU TOUCHED THEM AND SMELLED THEM? THE DREAM I EXPERIENCED WAS SO REAL, SOMEHOW I WAS UNDER THE EMPRESSION THAT IT WAS JUST A CASUAL VISIT. THE PLACE I VISITED AT WAS NOT FAMILIAR TO ME, FOR THEY HAD NEVER LIVED THERE BEFORE. DUHNO, JUST WIERD YOU KNOW!

[wasup]

Originally posted by Gus+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gus)</div> that can be argued, the astral realm and the dream realm are interwoven, thus meaning if you visit your perception of someone in a dream, you are visiting a part of them on the astral, thus meaning you are actually visiting them [/b] No... not it can't be argued. It's hard to accept but there is no such thing as an astral realm. You visit your perception of someone in a dream... it's all in your mind. It fools even the most perceptive of minds often because of how real the character could be. But think about it... if you knew your mother for several decades and she died, then your subconcious could make a great replica of them! <!--QuoteBegin-hydraat_takiyah EVEN IF YOU TOUCHED THEM AND SMELLED THEM? THE DREAM I EXPERIENCED WAS SO REAL, SOMEHOW I WAS UNDER THE EMPRESSION THAT IT WAS JUST A CASUAL VISIT. THE PLACE I VISITED AT WAS NOT FAMILIAR TO ME, FOR THEY HAD NEVER LIVED THERE BEFORE. DUHNO, JUST WIERD YOU KNOW! Yes, unfortunately. You seem to misunderstand exactly what dreams are. In your dreams, you can taste, smell, touch, hear, and see just as well as you can in real life. Your dreams are very real, as you have figured out yourself. Although how real the dream DOESN'T mean it is a paranormal event. And your mind can come up with dream scenarios, so never being there before doesn't mean you were "visiting them in the dead." And yes, it's weird... but no, it's not paranormal. PS: You don't have to type in all caps. Or better yet, just don't type in all caps.

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by ataraxis Well, when you visit someone in a dream you are visiting your perception of them, you are not actually visiting them though. People can meet each other from a lucid dream. I've met my families astral bodies, standing up dreaming from a lucid dream before. The same with spirits (or astral bodies) who have crossed over.

[wasup]

Originally posted by RyanParis People can meet each other from a lucid dream. I've met my families astral bodies, standing up dreaming from a lucid dream before. The same with spirits (or astral bodies) who have crossed over. Oh? And how do you know that wasn't JUST A DREAM...?

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by ataraxis Oh? And how do you know that wasn't JUST A DREAM...? Because a dream doesn't typically involve me walking around upright, just as conscious and wide-awake as in physical life, moving around with my astral body, watching my family's astral bodies standing up dreaming inside a starry building. In an astral experience, you're wide-awake... walking around on the ground with your astral body.

[wasup]

Originally posted by RyanParis Because a dream doesn't typically involve me walking around upright, just as conscious and wide-awake as in physical life, moving around with my astral body, watching my family's astral bodies standing up dreaming inside a starry building. In an astral experience, you're wide-awake... walking around on the ground with your astral body. Let's say you wanted an "astral experience" and you know what they are like. If you really want one, your mind can easily recreate it exactly. How do you know your "astral experience" wasn't just a very realistic lucid dream. How do you KNOW?

[Worlds Within]

Originally posted by hydraat_takiyah In this topic, i will not share my experience unless you share yours first. If I don't get a response by tomorrow, i will share!!! That was the topic. Threads keep getting hijacked... http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25193 http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24834 Does Dream Views need a "call out for debate forum" so this doesn't keep happening?

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by ataraxis Let's say you wanted an \"astral experience\" and you know what they are like. If you really want one, your mind can easily recreate it exactly. How do you know your \"astral experience\" wasn't just a very realistic lucid dream. How do you KNOW? My mind can't easily recreate it exactly. In a lucid dream, you're aware that you're dreaming. In an astral projection, you're walking around ON THE GROUND, either in the dream world, or in your house, projected out-of-body. I don't project on purpose. It happens by accident sometimes. An example is this: once when awakening in bed, I was seeing through my closed eyelides (I was in my astral body), and when I turned my vision to the right, was my parents' astral bodies standing up dreaming, when I turned my vision to the left, was my brothers' astral body standing up dreaming. There was also other 'beings' walking around near my posters in my room, ignoring me and walking, everything looked starry.

[Howie]

Originally posted by ataraxis No... not it can't be argued. It's hard to accept but there is no such thing as an astral realm. You visit your perception of someone in a dream... it's all in your mind. It fools even the most perceptive of minds often because of how real the character could be. But think about it... if you knew your mother for several decades and she died, then your subconcious could make a great replica of them! Yes you can argue this. You said \"Oh? And how do you know that wasn't JUST A DREAM...?\" I say, Oh? And how do you know this was not ASTRAL PROJECTION? Although i certainly agree that most things that I have experience have pointed to the fact that it was another perception of reality like a lucid dream. Most things seem to point that way. But why walk around asleep? With a preconceptualized vision of reality. What your reality is may be altered from another's. There are many facets off astral projection and remote or distant viewing that differ in thought. But to throw it out the window without do credit to me seems presumtuious. We are limiting ourselves to thinking inside a box. Originally posted by ataraxis Yes, unfortunately. You seem to misunderstand exactly what dreams are. In your dreams, you can taste, smell, touch, hear, and see just as well as you can in real life. Your dreams are very real, as you have figured out yourself. Although how real the dream DOESN'T mean it is a paranormal event. And your mind can come up with dream scenarios, so never being there before doesn't mean you were \"visiting them in the dead.\" And yes, it's weird... but no, it's not paranormal. Do any of us know what dreams are and their limitations? Originally posted by ataraxis PS: You don't have to type in all caps. Or better yet, just don't type in all caps. I second that!

[meda vishni]

I do not think it wise to for anyone to make grand statements as to whether or not the astral plain exists. This is a question of two different belief sytems with regard to dreaming and the subconscious mind. You either believe that the subconscious is eniterely personal and that dreams are generated from personal perceptions of experience. Or you believe that your subconscious is collective and shared between everyone (as Carl Jung theorised) - just as the physical world is shared between us all. I have had lucid dreams where I have been amazed at how real the dream world is. I have touched things, felt the wind upon my face. I have been to strange places, places that a part of me seems to know somehow, yet where I have never been. I have had dreams that are as real to me as the room I am sitting in now. My scientific mind tells me that the dream state is purely psychological and personal. Yet my heart and soul tell me that the realm of dreams is as real as the waking world, possible more real. Maybe it is we who are asleep now?! I think the most important thing is to keep an open mind and explore this realm as much as we can. Maybe we will never know the truth, but let us seek it.

[wasup]

Originally posted by Worlds Within That was the topic. Threads keep getting hijacked... http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25193 http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24834 Does Dream Views need a \"call out for debate forum\" so this doesn't keep happening? Um, a forum is an exchange of ideas. Topics change, big deal. Originally posted by RyanParis My mind can't easily recreate it exactly. In a lucid dream, you're aware that you're dreaming. In an astral projection, you're walking around ON THE GROUND, either in the dream world, or in your house, projected out-of-body. I don't project on purpose. It happens by accident sometimes. An example is this: once when awakening in bed, I was seeing through my closed eyelides (I was in my astral body), and when I turned my vision to the right, was my parents' astral bodies standing up dreaming, when I turned my vision to the left, was my brothers' astral body standing up dreaming. There was also other 'beings' walking around near my posters in my room, ignoring me and walking, everything looked starry. First you guys say how powerful the mind is, now you say it can't recreate it exactly. I'm assuming, since its your room, you've been living there for many years. Trust me, your mind is pretty powerful... you can recreate it quite accurately. Erm.. in most lucid dreams people walk on the ground. You say stuff so characteristic of ordinary dreams that is supposed to prove its an astral projection. e.g. "in my astral projection, something weird happened. THat doesn't happen in a regular dream."

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by ataraxis Erm.. in most lucid dreams people walk on the ground. You say stuff so characteristic of ordinary dreams that is supposed to prove its an astral projection. e.g. \"in my astral projection, something weird happened. THat doesn't happen in a regular dream.\"

[wasup]

Originally posted by RyanParis Touche. But seriously, how can you deny that something happens in a dream? Any modification of a dream object that affects your 5 senses is possible (I say this rather than anything is possible because you will jump to the conclusion that I'm "admitting" that astral projecting is indeed possible). If you still don't believe me that a dream can be JUST LIKE YOUR EXPERIENCE, why don't I go and get a master lucid dreamer to recreate your experience in an ordinary lucid dream? Would that help you realize that it could have been just a dream.