Just thought you ought to know.....

[Re_Create_Zion]

Just posted this on an other forum, so i figured i had to leave it here too. Don't mind the first part to much, you'll find names you don't recognise so... it's more the part of Castaneda's work wich is intresting, i already knew of this, but it got sent to me by mail yesterday.... Well let's start with the fact that hallucinations, are never that real as reality is, if we see such a thing it would have to come from somewhere... It would probably be projected toward you...(more explainig later on that) Off course you don't have to believe me, but all i can say i've never hallucinated any kind thing that looked so real that i would mistaken it with reality... And believe me i've done quiete a lot of shrooming and lsd, and from all those time's i've never had such an experience, not even from DMT(Ayahuasca), wich i've done once. And universe i wouldn't really say that 'people hallucinate all the time', it's true though that science and it's statistix conclude that everyone has such an experience once a lifetime. Just like i had my 'psychoses' there will be people seeing things they don't believe they are seeing even if they saw them... I'm there aside you universe when you say "nobody know's", it is indeed a mysterie. But i don't agree with "it doesn't matter", cause to me anyway it does matter, if i don't get to know what my 'plan' or 'path' is i'll go crazy... I have to know, not to know is to stay blind, to be ignorant... That doesn't seem natural, blindness. I have had the veil lifted from my eye's and am not going to forget what i went true... Pazuzu is wright with saying that supernatural experiences get layed off to easely by saying they encountered "evil", indeed there do exist negative things that can be frightening, but by transcending your self you also transcend the meaning of 'good' and the so called 'evil'. There both forces and the one couldn't do without the other, it's ying and yang... And even more, i've heard that the deepest lessons come from yang/negative. So much even that shamans say, 'see something unusual, don't run from it, confront it!' It migth have a little lesson for you, or even be a part of you, an 'other' you... And there we arrive at the 'nagual'... I was gonna do some more explaining about something so i will. The Nagual, and men don't just shove this aside, cause this is IT, this is the chit i'm talking about... From it everything came, it is the driving force behind nature... It is watching us all the time... why do we ever feel on psychedelix like where not alone, cause we simply aren't... Just like Gary Schwartz is saying the universe is a live and there could be life after death... It just is, the universe is filled with conciousness, all of that are beings or emanations of light, the emanations of the eagle thet call it. Cause shamans can 'see' the source from where life springs and where it even returns to... After we die unconcioussly we drift back to the eagle(it's seen as an eagle shaped force so) we get eaten by it, and eventually get pooped out again... We actually are nothing but food to the eagle, and get pooped out, where the chit actually... And men is there humor in this divine plot... I mean comon our tales are being pulled, and they have been getting pulled from the start we got here, but do we notice?? And to know we actually chose for this our selves, this circus is nothing but a show, it's 'maya'. Indeed also twisted... we are actually being kept ignorant... even more we are kept that way by our ego''s and the things that cling to it... those things are calles anorganic beings.... and i'll just go on by copying something i was sent to yesterday, it's something taken almost litterly and litterly from Castaneda's work... and don't be to shocked.... Twisted Evil It first goes on disrcibing more about Luminous Beings: `````````` `````` To achieve better health and well-being work toward gaining a deeper understanding of luminosity: The first step is to understand that we are all luminous beings and that we can be affected by other luminous beings, inorganic beings and the universe at large. The universe is an infinite agglomeration of energy fields, resembling threads of light. These energy fields, called the Eagle's, or the Indescribable Force 's emanations, radiate from a source of inconceivable proportions metaphorically called the Eagle--the Indescribable Force. Human beings are also composed of an incalculable number of the same threadlike energy fields. These Indescribable Force 's emanations form an encased agglomeration that manifests itself as a ball of light the size of the person's body with the arms extended laterally, like a giant luminous egg. Only a very small group of the energy fields inside this luminous ball are lit up by a point of intense brilliance located on the ball's surface. Perception occurs when the energy fields in that small group immediately surrounding the point of brilliance extent their light to illuminate identical energy fields outside the ball. Since the only energy fields perceivable are those lit by the point of brilliance, that point is named "the point where perception is assembled" or simply "the assemblage point." The assemblage point can be moved from its usual position on the surface of the luminous ball to another position on the surface, or into the interior. Since the brilliance of the assemblage point can light up whatever energy field it comes in contact with, when it moves to a new position it immediately brightens up new energy fields, making them perceivable. This perception is known as seeing. When the assemblage point shifts, it makes possible the perception of an entirely different world--as objective and factual as the one we normally perceive. People who move their assemblage points can go into that other world to get energy, power, solutions to general and particular problems, or to face the unimaginable. Intent is the pervasive force that causes us to perceive. We do not become aware because we perceive; rather, we perceive as a result of the pressure and intrusion of intent. The aim of practitioners is to reach a state of total awareness in order to experience all the possibilities of perception available to humans. This state of awareness even implies an alternative way of dying. As luminous beings, we need to shift our perception so that we "see energy as it moves through the universe". Meaning, we need to perceive the energy of the universe, as this is what allows us to see our assemblage points and what is effecting our assemblage points. If we need to move through the universe we need to perceive the universe energetically in a way that allows that free movement. Whatever effects the assemblage points, effects our total perception and thus makes us act the way we do. We can be affected by other types of luminous beings called inorganic beings. Because they are inorganic, we do not perceive them with our normal organic perception. Thus another type of perception is needed. Assemblage Point: `````````` ``````` Our assemblage points assemble our perception. Thus any thing that affects our assemblage points effect our perception. These factors affect our assemblage point: Factors that affect all living beings: The position of the assemblage point relative to the luminous egg. The particular bundles of the universes energy that the assemblage point is illuminating. The particular arrangement that the bundles are in. The condition of the egg and the eggs compartments. The Major Factors that additionally effect humans: The assemblage point may only be illuminating a small number of fibers and not lighting up only outside of the assemblage point’s immediate glow. (This is a condition only seen in humans.) This is a sign of self-absorption, self importance and being trapped in self reflection. Any other extra assemblage points that might be bumped up against a human’s assemblage point. In The Active Side Of Infinity by Carlos Castaneda, Juan Matus states that people have inorganic beings effecting their perception. These beings are predators called Flyers or Mud Shadows. These inorganic beings, the book says, is the primary cause of humanities astoundingly odd behavior. The inorganic beings pose as people's minds and create a condition in humans that trap people into to three nearly inescapable patterns: Self reflection. Qualifying (Judging everything and every one to one degree or another.) Complaining. This allows the mud shadows to feed on a particular type of energy you produce as a luminous being. By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudoconcerns. If you are trying to save the world, you will need to know the cause of the problem: Everyone one can plainly see that the acts of humanity are causing all of the major problems on this planet. There has almost always been war, greed, violence, massive starvation and unnecessary extinctions of other species. In the last 1000 years or so we have added pollution, over population and global warming. But why? If you have ever tried to help the environment, wild life or anything else that is not human, the inescapable conclusion you come to is: Only when the humans change can we ever really resolve the worlds problems. But have you ever really tried to encourage people to change? If you have you realize, for the most part, you are not always dealing with rational, reasonable and intelligent creatures. So what are you really dealing with? Example: A survey was taken that determined that American consumers would not pay one extra cent on a major appliance at the time of purchase even if they knew the more expensive appliance was eco and would save them hundreds of dollars in the long run. So what are we dealing with and what really makes a difference? One explanation is mud shadows. Which is an inorganic being that poses as your mind. Making you think that it's thoughts are your own so it can feed on your energy. Once you experience what your perception is like not having them, you will most certainly agree. But to be really accurate, there is a little more to the cause of our problems than just the mud shadows although they are the bulk of the problem. Below is an alternative explanation of what we are dealing with and what steps you can take to at least free your self. Only by freeing your self, will you truly know what you are dealing with. Actions To Take To Free Yourself: NOTE: Understand the danger involved in taking any of these steps. Only you can be responsible for yourself. The order you do the steps below must be determined by you. This is just an article on a web site that is intended to be supportive not all inclusive... Read the book: The Active Side Of Infinity by Carlos Castaneda If your assemblage point is split bring the assemblage point back together as one unit. If your assemblage point is near the shell of the egg ("in the human junk pile"), move your assemblage point to the optimal position. This is roughly just to the right of the center of the egg at shoulder height within the egg. Let your egg determine precisely where the optimal position is. You must continue to act from that location to lock into and stay at that location. If there are little glows bumped up against your assemblage point then you have inorganic beings affecting you like they do everyone. You will need to make your assemblage point unpalatable to the inorganic beings that are feeding on your energy and influencing your perception. There is more than one kind of inorganic being, learn about the ones that are affecting humanity. Clear the egg itself of all inorganic beings. Start at the core of the egg. You can become so still at the exact location in you, that the inorganic being is touching, on an energy level (egg - assemblage point) that you actually bring the inorganic beings perception to a stand still which causes them to drift off in a bewildered state if held long enough. Grabbing the agglutinizing force at the center of the egg is usually the only way to be still enough and completely aback of the influence of the inorganic beings perception coming into yours. You have to learn to be in the core of your egg not being controlled by inorganic beings perception. "They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind." ~ Don Juan from The Active Side of Infinity ~ Learn to shift your assemblage point. A "shift" is to shift your emphasis from one group of bundles passing through the assemblage point to another group of bundles passing through your assemblage point. Learn to rearrange the bundles of luminous fibers you are lighting up. Learn to let go of unneeded bundles. Learn to light up bundles that are not lit. Learn to light up bundles so they are lit beyond your assemblage points little glow. This is needed to progress beyond self-absorption. Learn to move your assemblage point to other locations and then back again to the optimal position. Resolve any conditions that the egg or the eggs compartments have. Learn to adapt to living your life without having inorganic beings. (This step is more difficult than then one would ever imagine.) What is left when the egg is gone burned from the fire from within? By observing the assemblage point. Quotes: Here are a few selected quotes that are both intriguing as they are motivating. The quotes are not presented in any particular order. Use your inner silence to make use of each quote... "Will is the force that keeps the Indescribable Force's emanations separated and is not only responsible for our awareness, but also for everything in the universe. This force has total consciousness and it springs from the very fields of energy that make the universe. Intent is a more appropriate name for it than will. In the long run, however, the name proves disadvantageous, because it does not describe its overwhelming importance nor the living connection it has with everything in the universe. Our great collective flaw is that we live our lives completely disregarding that connection. The busyness of our lives, our relentless interests, concerns, hopes, frustrations, and fears take precedence, and on a day-to-day basis we are unaware of being linked to everything else." "Human beings are composed of an incalculable number of threadlike energy fields. These Indescribable Force's emanations form an encased agglomeration that manifests itself as a ball of light the size of the person's body with the arms extended laterally, like a giant luminous egg". Only a very small group of the energy fields inside this luminous ball are lit up by a point of intense brilliance located on the ball's surface. Perception occurs when the energy fields in that small group immediately surrounding the point of brilliance extent their light to illuminate identical energy fields outside the ball. Since the only energy fields perceivable are those lit by the point of brilliance, that point is named "the point where perception is assembled" or simply "the assemblage point." "We as average men do not know, nor will we ever know, that it is something utterly real and functional --our connecting link with intent-- which gives us our hereditary preoccupation with fate. During our active lives we never have the chance to go beyond the level of mere preoccupation, because since time immemorial the lull of daily affairs has made us drowsy. It is only when our lives are nearly over that our hereditary preoccupation with fate begins to take on a different character. It begins to make us see through the fog of daily affairs. Unfortunately, this awakening always comes hand in hand with loss of energy caused by aging, when we have no more strength left to turn our preoccupation into a pragmatic and positive discovery. At this point, all there is left is an amorphous, piercing anguish, a longing for something indescribable, and simple anger at having missed out". "Will can be described as the maximum control of the luminosity of the body as a field of energy; or it can be described as a level of proficiency, as a state of being. It is experienced as a force that radiates out of the middle part of the body following a moment of the most absolute silence, or a moment of sheer terror, or profound sadness. Those things afford one the concentration needed to use the luminosity of the body and turn it into silence. For a human being sadness is as powerful as terror. Both can bring the moment of silence. Or the silence comes of itself, because the warrior tries for it throughout his life. It is a moment of blackness, a moment still more silent than the moment of shutting off the internal dialogue. That blackness, that silence, gives rise to the intent to direct the second attention, to command it, to make it do things. This is why it's called will." "The wheel of time is like a state of heightened awareness which is part of the other self, as the left side awareness is part of the self of everyday life. It can physically be described as a tunnel of infinite length and width; a tunnel with reflective furrows. Every furrow is infinite, and there are infinite numbers of them. Living creatures are compulsorily made, by the force of life, to gaze into one furrow. To gaze into it means to be trapped by it, to live that furrow. Will belongs to the wheel of time. It is something like the runner of a vine, or an intangible tentacle which all of us possess. A warrior's final aim is to learn to focus it on the wheel of time in order to make it turn. Warriors who have succeeded in turning the wheel of time can gaze into any furrow and draw from it whatever they desire. To be trapped compulsorily in one furrow of time entails seeing the images of that furrow only as they recede. To be free from the spellbinding force of those grooves means that one can look in either direction, as images recede or as they approach". "Every creature in the universe is attached to the dark sea of awareness at a round point of luminosity that was apparent when those creatures were perceived as energy. On that point of luminosity, which the sorcerers of ancient Mexico called the assemblage point of human beings, zillions of energy fields from the universe at large, in the form of luminous filaments, converge and go through it. These energy fields are converted into sensory data, and the sensory data is then interpreted and perceived as the world we know. What turns the luminous fibers into sensory data is the dark sea of awareness. Sorcerers see this transformation and call it the glow of awareness, a sheen that extends like a halo around the assemblage point". "The energy body is a conglomerate of energy fields, the mirror image of the conglomerate of energy fields that makes up the physical body when it is seen as energy that flows in the universe. It is smaller, more compact, and of heavier appearance than the luminous sphere of the physical body. The body and the energy body are two conglomerates of energy fields compressed together by some strange agglutinizing force. The force that binds that group of energy fields together is according to the sorcerers of ancient Mexico, the most mysterious force in the universe. My personal estimation is that it is the pure essence of the entire cosmos, the sum total of everything there is". "The physical body and the energy body are the only counterbalanced energy configurations in our realm as human beings. By means of discipline it is possible for anyone to bring the energy body closer to the physical body. Normally, the distance between the two is enormous. Once the energy body is within a certain range, which varies for each of us individually, anyone, through discipline, can forge it into the exact replica of their physical body-that is to say, a three-dimensional, solid being. Hence the sorcerers' idea of the other or the double. By the same token, through the same processes of discipline, anyone can forge their three-dimensional, solid physical body to be a perfect replica of their energy body-that is to say, an ethereal change of energy invisible to the human eye, as all energy is". "Seers maintain, naturally, that awareness always comes from outside ourselves, that the real mystery is not inside us. Since by nature the emanations at large are made to fixate what is inside ones luminous cocoon, the trick of awareness is to let the fixating emanations merge with what is inside us. Seers believe that if we let that happen we become what we really are--fluid, forever in motion, eternal. The degree of awareness of every individual sentient being depends on the degree to which it is capable of letting the pressure of the emanations at large carry it". "The total world is made of the forty-eight bands. The world that our assemblage point assembles for our normal perception is made up of two bands; one is the organic band, the other is a band that has only structure, but no awareness. The other forty-six great bands are not part of the world we normally perceive. There are other complete worlds that our assemblage points can assemble. The old seers counted seven such worlds, one for each band of awareness. I'll add that two of those worlds, besides the world of everyday life, are easy to assemble; the other five are something else". So go and multiply people, cause this is the serious chit.... 'Twisted Evil'.... I'd adivise you also to visit this site, if you wouldn't be convinced yet.... http://www.whalemedical.com/ap1.html

[Gus]

seems like an interesting topic, i have my own path however and i feel it does not cross with your own (although i feel we may be almost opposites to an extent) "as below, so above and beyond i imagine" "row row row your boat, gently down the stream, merily merily merily merily, life is but a dream" im here to have fun and expereince as much amazing stuff as i can, time travel, oobe, lucidity, out of body experiences during dance are amazing the rabbit hole is filled with amazing and wonderous things :Edit: upon reflection and reading of the majority of this prose im sorry you have gone this far into the darkness, there is no need for the dark or the light but alas some feel the need, point im making is that modes of perception are amazingly influencial over what people need or have to use in the growth of their consciousness i believe i have withdrawn my 'assimilation' point inside my 'egg' as you try to explain so as to observe it myself, and i dispatched this mud thing or whatnot you speak of a while ago by simply leaving the good/bad concept behind, it is irrelevant, and while it gives access to incredible power, there is yet more to find i wake up every day in fascination, my consciousness has shifted so drastically in the past 2 months (being rather sober) that it is amazing even to myself

[Re_Create_Zion]

Allwright, although i'm quiet shure you don't know what your talking about.... i'll start by saying indeed by dreaming you probably shifted your assemblagetpoint to the left a bit, being at the left you'r probably free from mud shadows, although i advise you to be carefull. Dreaming is not merely a game, it can kill you, there are 'inorganic beings' out there who are out there to get you, i know this sounds weird and twisted. But bare my words... When you say 'there is no need for the dark or the light' your just babbeling, without any of the two you wouldn't be able to function... so watch what your saying... The light is the world of the tonal, the world as we know it, without it, there is no you. The dark is the world of the nagual, the unknown... without that we wouldn't have no spirit, again there would be no you... And our ways being the opposite, well maybe, cause your shure heading in the wrong direction.... no offense it just looked to ignorant what you where saying. Yes there is no good or bad, no evil i speak of. Yet the universe is as twisted as u can imagine... there's more 'black magic' out there then you can handle so... allthough you can't really speak of 'black magic'(it's all energy work), there are those who head in directions where i wouldn't want to go. Like the old Toltecs who shaped there energy fields just like the inorganic beings so they could live an allmost immortal life, prob is there quiet stuck now ....(read Castaneda's work, 'the fire within'). Or those who don't keep in mind the mud shadows, or should i say keep em out of there minds, will be lost, they suck you dry those things... keep you alive enough so you'd be food for em as long as possible... So row your boat gently cause a dream can turn in to a nightmare... only when you encounter a inorganic being of a destructive kind offcourse... cause couldn't the rabbit whole contain something else then just an innocent rabbit??? This was just a warning, so that you could be carefull and more conciouss about the things you do or don't do...

[Cyclic13]

Interesting read, could you please let me know what you think of my idea on dream characters since you mentioned inorganic beings appearing in a dream which is along the same conclusion I came to with some dream characters

[nesgirl119]

Originally posted by Re_Create_Zion Dreaming is not merely a game, it can kill you. ....I seriously do not believe that! LDs cannot kill you, no matter what!!! The feelings in dreams can be pretty vivid, but as many times as I have gotten killed .........I have been okay in the morning. I usually rise from the dead in a LD...so no prob!! If that were the case, many of us naturals would have been dead long b4 joining here!! And LDing is too a game! Well, at least when I play VGs in them!! O_O very long read!! Are you sure you didn't get this from a copyrighted sight? B/c if you did, you could get into trouble w/Seeker!

[Re_Create_Zion]

I've just read something that might change the view, and it will also clear it, so have no fear zion is here... I'll just quote from the pdf i read. as i'm not able to copie from the pdf, because of author rights.., i'll just tell the story.[/b] All i can say is people do get attacked beyond there dream, even in this reality by inorganic beings, even as we know it there might be this little innocent looking entity nibbling, like a predator does, at your energy's.... The story i was going to quote was one of Neil Slade, he's the guy who continued the work of TDA Lingo who dicovered the principal of 'clicking'... I'll go on about that a little later. But like many other searchers of solarisation he got attacked by this bunch of inorganic frightening entity's who where after him for nothin but his life's energy's.... They where actually able to keep him down on the floor for a while, at that time he wasn't able to do much, they had em where they wanted it, and they knew it was there last chance so they didn't have to be so carefull anymore, they could just use full trust ahead and bang in his front door... (figure of speach) All what he could do was what his partner came up with, 'clicking', actually he was even being reminded by a fearie at the moment the other bunch of inorganics where attacking him. She was whispering the words to him, 'click neil or you'll never make it' something like that over and over.... So he gathered al his strength and 'clicked' like he had never done before.... he had his final pop and with it all the inorganix where blown away, they became like ghosts... and ran off into the distance... So what does this mean, yes these things can get you killed if you don't watch out... And i don't think i said LD'n could get you killed.... But whatever, i'll just explain some more about the amygdala.... the brain consists of three units, the central cortex and the two hemispheres. In each of our hemispehers there's an amygdala. wright between your ears and eyes, in the middle of that an inch deep the amygdala is found... And i'll just let Neil explain what he's found.... http://www.neilslade.com/ http://www.neilslade.com/forum http://www.viewzone.com/amygdala/index.html But be shure to watch your back's by obe'n and checking your energy fields for any parasites... I'm try'in to do the same here i'm actually not going to try ld'n anymore untill i can obe... and fight the power.... Because i've read that inorganix can also mke you believ your truly LD'n and actually they've send you to this other region of their universe(alternitave dreamreality) instead of being in yours.... I ain't kidding... But be shure to learn how to 'click' i have this feeling it might be the switch that turns the light on... Allthough i haven't gotten a pop from clicking, i've had my first samsara as something quiete heavy so i geuss we'll get there. 'cause my first sensation i had of the first time i clicked was a frontal lobe activity feeling mixed with some mulhadara tingles...

[Seeker]

Zion, I have read everything Castaneda has written and am quite fascinated with his concept of te assemblage point moving deep into the left during 'dreaming'. In fact, I have always been quite fascinated with the thought that the teachings of the 'toltecs' and the 'new seers' are quite tightly interwoven with the concepts of lucid dreaming. I am full convinced that there is something there that we can all use in our lucid dreaming. However, I absolutely refuse to jump into a ravine in order to force myself to realign my assemblage point to create a new world. I myself have been experimenting with my assemblage point some this past year. If any of you get a chance, give some of these books a quick glance. I have my doubts about a lot of the theological things like the tumbles cracking your luminous cocoon and tubling it to the beak of the Eagle. BUT, the ties i have seen in his writings that tie to lucid dreaming are UNCANNY!

[Gus]

again those who get caught up in the game of power between light and dark are oblivious not to say you are not powerful, or these things are not incredibly powerful, trust me i know ive met demons who have more power than i can concieve of, but alas that is not the point the point i am making is that 'reality' the non physical and physical alike as well as different thought realms on the mental plane are incredibly complex and as i have said time and time again "Perception creates reality" many will argue that this is the most asenine thing they have heard, but you must see it with an open mind, this does not rule out the existence of the 'good and bad' but it lets you see them from different points of view its good you found a path that works for yourself, i myself have a rather different one (more inward as opposed to your more outward perception) neither is wrong, simply you are given more guidlines than i and i have a bit more freedom even if it implies a bit less power, i have however watched the evolution of my consciousness over the past few months with amazement as my psychic abilities and precognative abilites have skyrocketed please do not call me ignorant again, if anything you are 'ignorant' simply because you fail to see how much different my path is than your own (and i mean no offense) when i say there is no need for dark or light, i mean inwardly, outwardly it is very nessecary, but inwardly it merely clouds your vision, everything to me is information flow where as to you it is good or bad energy and again i will point out that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' path in which to go, they are merly different with different abilites and experiences tied in with each and when i said i was sorry you had gone into the darkness i was under a false impression myself, as i see things so differently than yourself i was mistaken as these things are imparative to your own journey, where as to me they are binding forces with which to observe rather than to be weary of as you seem to be anyway, peace, and try to look at things with an open mind

[luciddawg]

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