Lucid Dream to OBE

[Philman123]

Does anyone know how one would go about astral projecting from a lucid dream? Please give as many ways as possible and which one is the most effective. Thanks

[RyanParis]

Just will yourself foward out-of-body when lucid dreaming. If you do it right, and leave the lucid dream while lucid, you'll be walking around in your house or bedroom with your astral body. You'll know it worked when you're physically asleep in bed, and walking around your house aware and awake. It's true.

[LukeSkyWalker]

Hello everyone- Does anyone know how one would go about astral projecting from a lucid dream[/b] This is my first post so I will give you a little information about myself concerning this issue. I have had OBE's, have consciously phased (Or WILD), astral projected, and lucid dreamed. From all these experiences I have come to learn they are ALL the SAME THING! First of all, when you "astrally project" or OBE (same thing) you are NEVER "out of body". What you are doing is projecting your consciousness into your subconscious mind. Robert Monroe learned this later in his life, and a moderator named Frank on Astral pulse also relays this info. People think that an OBE is a seperation from your body, so if that is your intent your subconscious mind says "if thats what you want, thats what I'll give you" and it goes about projecting you into scenery that looks just like your immediate surroundings, etc. So, if you want to "OBE" from a lucid dream, and have the whole experience this is what you do: 1. Demand to become more lucid in your lucid dream by saying something along the lines of "Awarness now". Let the dreamscape adjust and then do it angain. 2. Stop all action within the lucid dream. 3. Visualize your bedroom with the utmost detail. Keep focus and use all your senses 4. One of two things will happen: A. Your consciousness will be back in the physical. if this is the case lay perfectly still, and wait for the "vibes" . Don't fight the vibes and you will soon find your self in a self created version of the physical. B. You will find yourself in a representation of the physical, or "Real Time Zone". Good luck, Luke

[Philman123]

Hey Thanks for the feedback. I really apperciate it. Some of the things you mentioned LukeSkyWalker seems very reasonable and logical. I'll try to the things you suggested. thanks again

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by LukeSkyWalker when you "astrally project" or OBE (same thing) you are NEVER "out of body". What you are doing is projecting your consciousness into your subconscious mind. Robert Monroe learned this later in his life, and a moderator named Frank on Astral pulse also relays this info. People think that an OBE is a seperation from your body, so if that is your intent your subconscious mind says "if thats what you want, thats what I'll give you" and it goes about projecting you into scenery that looks just like your immediate surroundings, etc. Astral projection includes lucid dreaming. The difference is the astral projection is happening OUTSIDE the lucid dream, letting you walk around the house with your astral body. If you keep your mind blank while projecting, you'll know in short order what's real and imagination in your house. If you walk into your families house while astral projected, and keep your mind blank, you'll see their astral counter-parts walking around. It's either our astral body has two spirit eyes, or all subconscious mind's are in astral contact with each other. It's true.

[Cyclic13]

RyanParis, you claim to be able to do all these extraordinary things but after you proclaimed your newly 'founded', *ahem* brainwashed *ahem*, Neo-Nazi-like belief system I find it really hard to take anything you say seriously... not that I ever did in the first place. You first came to this forum asking about what to do with your narrow-minded Nazi girlfriend, then turn around and let her convert you to her intrinsically wrong belief system. How pathetically weak-minded of you. I honestly hope you grow up from this infantile phase you are in because its not constructive at all. In relation to this topic: How can you possibly understand/preach the concept of having an open mind when you get caught up by something as simple as physical appearances? If you really can do these things you claim to, then you must realize that this shell/vessel that we are housed in has nothing to do with whats inside our heads. Just as, a christian preacher and Neo-Nazi wouldn't mix, neither does your claiming to understand the human mind/OBE's. Please explain that one for me, because I'm a bit puzzled.

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by SolSkye+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SolSkye)</div> RyanParis, you claim to be able to do all these extraordinary things but after you proclaimed your newly 'founded', *ahem* brainwashed *ahem*, Neo-Nazi-like belief system I find it really hard to take anything you say seriously... not that I ever did in the first place. [/b] Extraordinary? How is becoming aware in a dream, then willing yourself out-of-body, and walking around in your house with your astral body, extraordinary? Any dumbass can do it. Originally posted by SolSkye@ You first came to this forum asking about what to do with your narrow-minded Nazi girlfriend, then turn around and let her convert you to her intrinsically wrong belief system. What's this have to do with astral projection? <!--QuoteBegin-SolSkye How pathetically weak-minded of you. In relation to this topic: How can you possibly understand/preach the concept of having an open mind when you get caught up by something as simple as physical appearances? Originally posted by SolSkye If you really can do these things you claim to, then you must realize that this shell/vessel that we are housed in has nothing to do with whats inside our heads. Just as, a christian preacher and Neo-Nazi wouldn't mix, neither does your claiming to understand the human mind/OBE's. Please explain that one for me, because I'm a bit puzzled. Try the astral projection techniques. Here you go: www.jonasridgeway.com www.spiritual.com.au/astral.html www.astralweb.org www.astralvoyage.com/projection/index.html It's true.

[Cyclic13]

People like you, affect the validity of this website. Anyone that actually had something solid to say would think twice about joining this site reading the history of your posts. That's why my previous question has a relation to this topic, and any topic you choose to post in, for that matter. (except for the senseless banter section of course) I must say though, I can definitely see where your intelligence would make you fall victim to being brainwashed as you have. And, I clearly didn't mean, 'explain OBE's', when I said I was puzzled. I meant for you to explain how you can think the way you do(Neo-Nazism), after doing some of the things you say you do(OBE's). Please re-read it I know it may take you some time. Also, I suggest you look up the word 'extraordinary' again because I don't think OBE's are equivalent to taking a shit, therefore they would fall under the realm of 'extra'-ordinary or going beyond what is usual, regular, or customary. Awaiting your answer to my initial question...

[Darkmatic]

I have to agree with LukeSkyWalker and SolSkye , in that OBE or "astral projection" takes place in the persons mind , there is no way to detach the mind from the body for the mind resides in the body due to the mind being generated by the brain . Your consciousness is not a separate entity from your body , as far as science is concerned it is firmly fixed inside the brain . Im not sure where that leaves people who believe in the afterlife and astral projection , but its looking more and more that way .

[Cyclic13]

(Sidenote: Darkmatic, I never said OBE's exist only in your head. In those prior posts, I was just trying to get a answer from RyanParis on his inane thought process that he mentioned in another locked topic. But for now, all RyanParis stuff aside, and back on topic) In regards to this topic and OBE's; I've never had an 'official' OBE, nor would I know exactly what an 'official' OBE would entail, not to mention, whether it's even possible or not. Although, on a different note, I personally always refer to the dream plane as the dream/astral plane because I think they are one and the same, and have had experiences extending seemingly outwards of my own dream. Whether the dream/astral plane are separate existing realities from our own, or outside of ones own head, is a question that I still haven't the answer to. Also, if you are dreaming and claim to have an OBE: How is it you can confirm it's still not in your head? I would hope that you guys are doing some sort of testing, like; seeing someone watching a certain TV show in a different place, them say a certain thing at a certain time, etc. and then verifying it later with these people. Otherwise, It'd be wise to just think it, a very vivid dream. Example: I've dreamt many a time about being born as another person in the future or seeing things through other peoples eyes but that doesn't mean it really happened if I cant verify it, you know? Don't get me wrong, I still keep an open mind about all this stuff, though. I've found It's best to be open to anything but question everything... that is, until you can verify it.

[mongreloctopus]

I've read that astral projection has nothing to do with experiencing the actual waking-world while being just in astral form, and that that is called "real-time projection". (astral projection being just using your astral body in the astral world...whatever that is)

[Darkmatic]

Originally posted by SolSkye (Sidenote: Darkmatic, I never said OBE's exist only in your head. In those prior posts, I was just trying to get a answer from RyanParis on his inane thought process that he mentioned in another locked topic. But for now, all RyanParis stuff aside, and back on topic) In regards to this topic and OBE's; I've never had an 'official' OBE, nor would I know exactly what an 'official' OBE would entail, not to mention, whether it's even possible or not. Although, on a different note, I personally always refer to the dream plane as the dream/astral plane because I think they are one and the same, and have had experiences extending seemingly outwards of my own dream. Whether the dream/astral plane are separate existing realities from our own, or outside of ones own head, is a question that I still haven't the answer to. Also, if you are dreaming and claim to have an OBE: How is it you can confirm it's still not in your head? I would hope that you guys are doing some sort of testing, like; seeing someone watching a certain TV show in a different place, them say a certain thing at a certain time, etc. and then verifying it later with these people. Otherwise, It'd be wise to just think it, a very vivid dream. Example: I've dreamt many a time about being born as another person in the future or seeing things through other peoples eyes but that doesn't mean it really happened if I cant verify it, you know? Don't get me wrong, I still keep an open mind about all this stuff, though. I've found It's best to be open to anything but question everything... that is, until you can verify it. You may not have said that OBE's are in your head , but Lukeskywalker did , and thats why i mentioned him , just to clear things up . This topic is rather interesting in that it parallels a topic in a seperate forum which is not focused on dreams , but rather logic and looks at things from a perspective of logic . One of the questions raised in the other forum was , where is this 'astral plane' located if its not located in your brain . A person on that forum suggested it was located in another dimension , and that your consciousness leaves your body and travels to this other dimension . I then pointed out to him that no current theories exist that support other physical dimensions , other dimensions such as the extra 5 or 6 in string theory only seek to describe the interaction of things such as strong nuclear force and gravity by confining them to a seperate dimension . As far as current research into consciousness are concerned there has been no evidence to show that consciousness can be seperated from the brain , infact it (consciousness) is almost certainly a result of the brains construction . So how can someone project their 'astral body' , which for them to experience the OBE must also contain their consciousness ? If people exist who can do this , why havent people who can do this come forward to the scientific community to participate in proper tests to see if its infact a reality ?

[Cyclic13]

Yeah, it is pretty interesting. Have you read/heard about the book, DMT: The spirit molecule? That could shed some possible light onto exactly how the spirit could travel between dimensions. http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25767

[mongreloctopus]

Originally posted by Darkmatic As far as current research into consciousness are concerned there has been no evidence to show that consciousness can be seperated from the brain , infact it (consciousness) is almost certainly a result of the brains construction . So how can someone project their 'astral body' , which for them to experience the OBE must also contain their consciousness ? current research on consciousness is not even really in the stages of infancy yet--it is proving difficult to take an objective stance on something that is purely subjective experience. i've been an avid reader of a lot of cognitive science (or cognitive philosophy, which may be more appropriate) and it seems from what many of the leading folks in this field think, consciousness is in fact a byproduct of neural activity...but recently i have been playing with the idea that maybe neural activity is the byproduct of consciousness. perhaps consciousness is just a big "blob" that hangs a few feet above our heads and extends little tentacles into our brains to manipulate the neural pattern...in which case, i think it makes things like telepathy, astral projection, empathy, etc much less difficult to swallow.

[Darkmatic]

Originally posted by mongreloctopus current research on consciousness is not even really in the stages of infancy yet--it is proving difficult to take an objective stance on something that is purely subjective experience. i've been an avid reader of a lot of cognitive science (or cognitive philosophy, which may be more appropriate) and it seems from what many of the leading folks in this field think, consciousness is in fact a byproduct of neural activity...but recently i have been playing with the idea that maybe neural activity is the byproduct of consciousness. perhaps consciousness is just a big "blob" that hangs a few feet above our heads and extends little tentacles into our brains to manipulate the neural pattern...in which case, i think it makes things like telepathy, astral projection, empathy, etc much less difficult to swallow. I hav heard schools of thought that think that "self" or self awareness/consciousness is independant of thought . That act of you thinking is a purely physical process , and your conscious merely is aware of the thought . If you think this way there really isnt much your consciousness can do except , well , be conscious .

[RyanParis]

You damn fools, learn more about astral projection here: www.jonasridgeway.com/tech2.html http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles...1_rbruce.htm#2 http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles...2_rbruce.htm#9 We are talking about the subconscious mind, not the conscious mind (physical body). With astral projection you're aware of the fact that you're in another dimension when you walk around with your astral body in your house. You can think of it like this = Conscious/physical Subconscious/astral Period.

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by SolSkye+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SolSkye)</div> People like you, affect the validity of this website. [/b] How? Is astral projection scaring you? <!--QuoteBegin-SolSkye Anyone that actually had something solid to say would think twice about joining this site reading the history of your posts. Yeap, I'm sure every person who comes to this website reads my posts and then jumps off a cliff because they don't like what I say. Originally posted by SolSkye+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SolSkye)</div> I can definitely see where your intelligence would make you fall victim to being brainwashed as you have. And, I clearly didn't mean, 'explain OBE's', when I said I was puzzled. I meant for you to explain how you can think the way you do(Neo-Nazism), after doing some of the things you say you do(OBE's). [/b] What difference does it make if a democrate, republican, nazi, chinaman, Englishmen, Irishmen, or anyone else astral projects? <!--QuoteBegin-SolSkye Also, I suggest you look up the word 'extraordinary' again because I don't think OBE's are equivalent to taking a shit, therefore they would fall under the realm of 'extra'-ordinary or going beyond what is usual, regular, or customary. What are you babbling about?

[mongreloctopus]

i think what he's babbling about, is that for the most part, your posts are completely inane and don't contribute anything positive at all. and now, that you are superficially, at least, trying to contribute something of value, it is difficult to take it seriously, as most people here probably think it's going to be something completely stupid. furthermore, you don't demonstrate that you know very much about this at all just by posting a bunch of links over and over. it doesn't take much to type "astral projection" into google.

[LukeSkyWalker]

I have to agree with LukeSkyWalker and SolSkye , in that OBE or "astral projection" takes place in the persons mind , there is no way to detach the mind from the body for the mind resides in the body due to the mind being generated by the brain . Your consciousness is not a separate entity from your body , as far as science is concerned it is firmly fixed inside the brain . Im not sure where that leaves people who believe in the afterlife and astral projection , but its looking more and more that way . [/b] Wow....I did say that an astral projection is in a persons mind, but I did not say it is in a persons brain. Mind and brain are two entirely different things. Mind does NOT reside in the body. The brain is just a mechanism in which allows us to get information from our mind. It is kind of like a computer that is linked to the internet. The internet does not reside in the computer, but the computer is necessary to get information from the internet. Take a look at this post of mine, it describe the different focuses of consciousness , and how to get there: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27514 Although, i love the skeptical nature of people here, it is a breath of fresh air from the New age loons at astral pulse. I don't want anyone here to believe me, I want people to find out for themselves, and the link I posted is my attempt at that. Good luck Luke

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by LukeSkyWalker [the New age loons at astral pulse. Astral projection isn't new age. Astral projection has been around for thousands of years like meditation. You're wrong.

[mongreloctopus]

Originally posted by RyanParis Astral projection isn't new age. Astral projection has been around for thousands of years like meditation. You're wrong. there you go making yourself sound stupid again.

[RyanParis]

Originally posted by mongreloctopus there you go making yourself sound stupid again.

[LukeSkyWalker]

Astral projection isn't new age. Astral projection has been around for thousands of years like meditation. Your wrong [/b] I know AP is has been around for as long as there has been consciousness. I didn't say that Astral projection is New Age, I said that the people at astral pulse are new age. Actually, a mix between New Age, mystical, and dragon ball z (ha). Best of luck Luke

[Darkmatic]

Originally posted by LukeSkyWalker Wow....I did say that an astral projection is in a persons mind, but I did not say it is in a persons brain. Mind and brain are two entirely different things. Mind does NOT reside in the body. The brain is just a mechanism in which allows us to get information from our mind. It is kind of like a computer that is linked to the internet. The internet does not reside in the computer, but the computer is necessary to get information from the internet. Take a look at this post of mine, it describe the different focuses of consciousness , and how to get there: http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27514 Although, i love the skeptical nature of people here, it is a breath of fresh air from the New age loons at astral pulse. I don't want anyone here to believe me, I want people to find out for themselves, and the link I posted is my attempt at that. Good luck Luke When you say mind , i assume you are reffering to consciousness . An explaination as to why people feel that their mind is seperate from their body is that the brain itself has no senses , where as the rest of the body can be sensed through the nervous system the brain has no such sensory feedbacks . Supposedly this feeling of disconnectedness is caused through not having sensory feedback from the brain and thus the mind "feels" detached or has an experience of incorporeality . Consciousness , is supposedly an emergent property of the action of the brain neurons . Drugs can alter the consciousness , induce unconsciousness and stimulate the mind in certain areas to become conscious . This suggests that consciousness is a result of brain activity in certain crucial areas . I don't claim to be an expert on the brain or consciousness , i have just come to this realisation through personal researching and discussion . It may not be correct but this is how i percieve consciousness to be brought about . I looked at that Map of the inner reality , and to be honest i havent had much experience with anything other than dreams in F1 . I think LD's are possible , but i think OBE's and Astral projection are all still in your mind , not on some astral plane in some other dimension . To be honest , F3 sounds utterly rediculous , i dont think gods gonna let you into heaven early , or even let you peak in the window . F4 , sounds like maybe its possible , but i think its still just exploring yourself internally and comeing to some inner peace with oneself .

[atkn]

I don't know 'bout this astral projection thing, but I still know that OBE still feels just like floating away of your physical body, or at least trying to do so! I had an experience of OBE few nights back. I woke up in the early morning hours and started sleeping again, I had a slight goal of WILD but nothing too much. Then suddenly I started to feel kind of light and tried to move my hands. I remember seeing my physical hands and the transparent hands that I controlled. But I couldn't take them far off my real hands, it felt like some kind of strong magnetic force holding them in it's grasp. If my "astral" hands moved too far, my whole body vibrated like there were electric shocks running through my body, and I heard this buzzing sound. I weren't afraid but kind of exited and tried so hard... But that is as far I can remember. I either fell into a normal dream or to a LD, but too bad I don't honestly remember anything past that..