Dream after death

[forsaken_brown]

I am playing with the idea that after you die you go into a dream reality where you must realise you are dreaming and come to terms with all the things that have been bothering you from your life so that you can move on to the next step what ever that is. Be it that you are christian and move on to heaven or athiest and move on to nothing. Or you just kinda become at peace with yourself. what do you gyes think. any other angles on it?

[RedStarSoldier]

Your guess is as good as mine when it comes to life after death, but I really like your theory. BTW, welcome to Dreamviews!!

[42]

Yeah I like your theory too. Some people percieve they go to hell because their subconscious maybe has a lot of bad stuff to deal with still. And only after they deal with all those things can they be at peace with themselves, realizing it is a dream of sorts. Then maybe we meld dreams with other minds and create a heaven. Or maybe God, the original mind created heaven already and we merge with his heaven after we come to peace with ourselves. Then you and God can fully be in the same presence again, in this heavenly peaceful dream. Well, I admit it's very fantastical and extremely optimistic, but that'd be nice wouldn't it?

[42]

Oh yeah, and welcome to dreamviews. Are you a lucid dreamer? A learner? Just curious? Just curious.

[Seeker]

Interesting theory. Hmm will think on it today. Welcome on board!!!

[Lucius]

The theory of many occult believes, they see the astral plane as temporarily resting place after death, thus it could be possible to meet the dead the dreaming because the dreaming=the astral. In a nutshell: They would stay there for a while until they are ready to be reincarnated, or if they escape samsara to perhaps stay there and continue to evolve on that plane. They say the astral plane is divived in subplanes, the lower subplanes, the middle planes and the higher ones. The lower planes are generally your basic nightmare scenery, inhabited by the lower astral creatures like deamons, its a grey,dark,murky sad place you sometimes end up there while projecting, that is were the *bad* people go, the greedy,the violent etc etc The middle planes are very much like earth, thats were the average people go who are still attached to earty matters and things. The higher planes are for the more enlighted individuals who might even escape samsara. I more or less believe in that theory

[forsaken_brown]

ok thanks for the replies do you think of you stayed in the dreams for too long without dealing with and forgive yourself for the things that you believe that you have done wrong that you would eventualy forget that it was a fdream and tortyre yourself forever thus creating your own hell. So that any guilt that you have about your life can manifest itself in this dream reality to forse you to confront it. this brings up another point. if someone has led and evil life but feels no remorse would he just be in a heavenly dream for his afterlife though he has more to be guilty about then others that cant forgive themselves. So you only really get a good afterlife if you think that you deserve it. the dream, stage could be the limbo that you have to see if you can forgive yourself and if you can you go on to the next stage what ever that is and if you cant you become stuck in yourself with all your guilt manifesting as dream charicters and circumstances. what do you think?

[ffx-dreamz]

I would like to believe that if you died you would go into an everlasting lucid dream.That fate wouldn't be a bad one, but it kinda gets rid of the fact that to go to a good place after death you have to be a good person.

[Kaniaz]

I don't know what to think of death. I'm not scared of it, but I'm obviously not waiting with bated breath for it to happen.

[Howie]

That is an interesting theory. For what ever reason your post got me to thinking about death. I generally just put it out of my head. I think in part because I don't know where I stand on my own religious beliefs. ----Anyway as far as I know, energy cannot be desroyed. It just goes into another form. So when you die that energy (yourself) has to go somewhere. Your pyhsical body, is it just a temporary carrier for your soul. Where does this energy get transformed into or does it just leave your body in the form of your mind?

[Ste]

The only possible problem with this theory is that all electrical impulses which are needed for dreaming in the brain (electrical impulses are greaster in LD) stop and also there is no way REM sleep can take place when you are dead (providing dreaming can only happen when it is linked to a physical plane) There is a theory these emotions and electrical impulses are let free out of your physical body when you die which could remove you from the third dimension to another plane. This is very possible and has been accepted as possible by scienctists - a big 'maybe' so it is possible that you dream when you die but not physcially. This could also explain OBE's. However I'm not sure because I'm not dead

[Erfeyah]

A similar thing has been said in the movie "waking life". After we die, the brain still has about 12 minutes of activity, so if we are capable of entering the dreamworld in that 12 minutes and lose connection with time we might as well live forever in our personal heaven/hell... or if Lucious is right, make the transition to the astral plane. Originally posted by ste oneiro einai to kaliteros Well...sorry but your syntax is wrong you can write: To oneiro einai to kalytero or better Ta oneira einai ta kalytera Ta oneira einai telia

[Ste]

yes I'm only half Greek - I always get sidetracked by other Greeks - they must think i'm weird

[Erfeyah]

Hey! There's nothing weird about a syntax error. Except if you get caught by Paperdoll

[Ste]

I'll remember that

[Jinzo]

There are many different possible realities after death, its not something to generalize. People on the lower spiritual evolution tend to not realize there death. They live life normally. Usually though they might live out a hellish reality based on how they treated others or how they felt about themselves. They finish the reality by completing its purpose, usually to get the person to realize their wrongs in this life said to be a very painful experience. People on the higher spiritual evolution realize their death. Sometimes they disconnect fast enough to see themselves before death. When you die in a dream you don't stay forever. When you die etheric energy is transferred from the silver cord to the astral body. You stay in the physical realm until that energy runs out. This is the 2nd death and also what astral parasites try avoid so in order to survive they steal our etheric energy. You stay in the dream also until that energy runs out then everything starts to disappear and make less sense and you get more conscious. As for that theory, emotions don't come from the physical body. Our subconscious uses bodily chemicals and chakras as messangers on how to feel. The physical realm vibrations are to low to express a form of thought even in a living healthy body. When you die you move the realm most appropriate of after 2nd death it can the higher, lower, or mid sub-planes of the Astral plane.

[Blissful]

Originally posted by Lucius The theory of many occult believes, they see the astral plane as temporarily resting place after death, thus it could be possible to meet the dead the dreaming because the dreaming=the astral. * In a nutshell: They would stay there for a while until they are ready to be reincarnated, or if they escape samsara to perhaps stay there and continue to evolve on that plane. They say the astral plane is divived in subplanes, the lower subplanes, the middle planes and the higher ones. The lower planes are generally your basic nightmare scenery, inhabited by the lower astral creatures like deamons, its a grey,dark,murky sad place you sometimes end up there while projecting, that is were the *bad* people go, the greedy,the violent etc etc The middle planes are very much like earth, thats were the average people go who are still attached to earty matters and things. The higher planes are for the more enlighted individuals who might even escape samsara. * I more or less believe in that theory * I'm still forming my beliefs but this one pretty much mirros my intuitive belief....for now... Blissful

[ffx-dreamz]

Originally posted by Jinzo There are many different possible realities after death, its not something to generalize. People on the lower spiritual evolution tend to not realize there death. They live life normally. Usually though they might live out a hellish reality based on how they treated others or how they felt about themselves. They finish the reality by completing its purpose, usually to get the person to realize their wrongs in this life said to be a very painful experience. People on the higher spiritual evolution realize their death. Sometimes they disconnect fast enough to see themselves before death. When you die in a dream you don't stay forever. When you die etheric energy is transferred from the silver cord to the astral body. You stay in the physical realm until that energy runs out. This is the 2nd death and also what astral parasites try avoid so in order to survive they steal our etheric energy. You stay in the dream also until that energy runs out then everything starts to disappear and make less sense and you get more conscious. As for that theory, emotions don't come from the physical body. Our subconscious uses bodily chemicals and chakras as messangers on how to feel. The physical realm vibrations are to low to express a form of thought even in a living healthy body. When you die you move the realm most appropriate of after 2nd death it can the higher, lower, or mid sub-planes of the Astral plane. That theory makes you think... O well don't have time to think so I can only say this.. Astral parasites.. ewww.....

[forsaken_brown]

How would you know if you had died. How long would the dream reality last before it disaperated. would the dream start to drain away when the last remenents of life or energy or whatever had drained out of your brain.

[forsaken_brown]

here I'll let you gyes no my alterior motive for posting this forum. I am just trying to do some research for this idea I had for this move. heres the pitch there is this gye that likes this girl and he keeps having dreams of asking her out with varying results. Sometimes she says yes followed by her laughing hestericaly at the fact that he has no pants. Or she'll say know and then turn into a goose and fly away. then eventually he build up the confidence to actually ask her out. and on their first date he is hit by a truck and dies. But he wakes up thinking that it was just a dream. The audience also thinks it was just a dream as they have been lead to believe that whenever anything wierd happens its a dream. So after his death he wakes into a dream world thinking that it is the real world. Everything is normal for a while and then wierd stuff starts happing often after the wierd stuff happens and he is often re awakes in his dream. things from his past start to happen. Things he feels guilty about start to manifest into characters. There is a mentore character that has to help him realise that it is a dream so that he can forgive himself. because if he stays there for long enough he will go insane and torture himself for eternity. He comes close to being traped but realises that he must forgive himself thus he disaperats from the reality to where ever you go after the dream reality. What ever the audience chooses to believe weather it be heaven or jsut not existing or reincarnation or whatever. What do you think make a good movie?

[Jinzo]

A similar story happened in 6th sense.

[forsaken_brown]

really? i never thought about it do you think it is unoriginal? i dont but hey thats propbably just cos i dont want it to be

[Seed]

Strange! the reason i was reading this thread was for research for a movie script that I am hoping to write (still in its very early stages)! I think there is another scriptwriter somewhere on this site too... And I really like your script (mine is quite different ^_^) and don't think you should be worried about it being un-origional. Every idea you have is a product of your thoughts and experiences, and the sixth sense is one of your experiences. You are a completely different person to M night Shamalan so it is impossible for you to make the same film, so go for it man . Hope to hear how this script works out.

[intent]

my two favorite ideas for what happens when you die: First concept, you just wake up into your real self and realize that this life was all a dream. Your higher self is just a higher energy version of you and this entire life is just one dream. In fact all consciousness is just a layer of dreams separated by different energy levels. Second concept, I got this one from reading Carlos Castaneda. Basically in his book his teacher don Juan says that they "see" when a person dies this is what happens. Death comes to them from their left side, death enters through the crack in your energy body in your stomach, the crack expands and your whole energy body slowly disintegrates. Your energy body shatters like a million tiny crystals and your entire energy, you entire lifes experience shatters up into "the eagle" (which is how this energy formation looks, like an eagle) which absorbs your energy and life experiences into the eagle, which is like the cosmic whole (or could be thought of like the "dao" in daoism). at that point your entire consciousness disintegrates and you have no separate self knowledge (that is of your self in this life) instead your awareness merges into the awareness of the eagle. Sorta like if you were a human, and became borg, your awarenss would be multi-dimensional... To me both concepts are curious and interesting.