Astral projection & the Government

[Howie]

Someone had told me of this sight that is what I thought called "Far distance Viewing". It is suppose to show some facts about how the government has trained and used these techniques for their own use. -I can't find it for the life of me. Anyone know anything about this? Oh Ya. And another thing. As I was searching for this sight, Dreamviews came up and the discrition underneath it had a referance to an Occult. What the hell is that all about

[ColtEtish]

I think what they mean is we should all move to arizona and start worshiping me yesss moneY wilL savE yor soUL

[nightowl]

I read something similar to this a while ago. It talked about how experiments were done to see if these people with remote viewing could be used for military intelligence. I don't remember the end though. I think that people were doing it, but they couldn't handle the distance of what they were expected to do in order to be of use, or that they could go the distance but funding to the experiments were cut off. It might be one of those or neither. I just can't remember.

[nightowl]

I think I just found it. Here's the article, but I'm not sure if its the same one I read a long time ago. Since I don't have any personal dealings with government officials or agencies, I can only share my opinion on why this is the case. For me to make any further statements, I must digress a bit. Astral projection is a close cousin of remote viewing with some notable distinctions. With remote viewing, you don't have to put the body asleep, but instead enter an altered state of consciousness (sometimes even just a slight one). When you bi-locate (or as Ingo Swann states "the immediate transfer of perceptions") during a viewing, you are very near the earth level vibrationally, and yet are not seen by the naked eye. Unlike the lower planes of the astral which can be fuzzy and surreal, it is no different than being fully awake (the intelligence gathering benefits to this are obvious). The better remote viewers (rare people indeed) can actually interact with their environment, meaning they can talk to beings on that plane (aliens included), swim in lakes, smell food, and hear everything-- and best of all-- they can transcend time. I've been a lazy remote viewer myself, but when I bi-located I was quite shocked at what it was like. I was THERE. It was totally clear, totally lucid. In fact, when you bi-locate you temporarily lose awareness of your physical self as your consciousness is mostly elsewhere (although split consciousness can also occur). I've always wanted to travel and when I saw Stonehenge in real time, real awareness, I was hooked (by the way, the target was unknown to me. I was given a random 4 digit number by my RV instructor). Anyway, you're getting the picture on how valuable "clear, veiled, and time independent" awareness is. Now, if you've done some research on remote viewing you'll eventually come across figures like Ingo Swann, Ed Dames (ex-military), and Gerald O'Donnell, to mention a few. Why are these people important to this assumption that the government knows about out of body travels? Ingo Swann boggled many minds, and especially some within the intelligence community. His history is long but he spent several decades researching and utilizing remote viewing with Dr. Hal Puthoff of Stanford Research Institute and Research physicist Russell Targ. Their work resulted in funds from the CIA that supported them (in secret) during the Cold War. During this time the government's support for the growing RV program moved from the CIA to the Defense Intelligence Agency, as well as certain other military organizations. The Army also conducted their own remote viewing for possible intelligence against foreign adversaries. All this later came out through SRI and the CIA after it was declassified in 1995 when Congress moved responsibility from the DIA back to the CIA which was seen as the "fall" of RV within the government). Sections of the government and other sectors are fully aware of these potentials. To me, it's not a matter of if they are aware (since they themselves admitted so), but if they are really doing anything about it now. With the Cold War over, possibly not, but since when did intelligence gathering become a dead dog? I think with the latest terrorist events the resurgence of "spying" is a given. and here's the link http://astralvoyage.com/projection/government.html

[Howie]

THANKS NIGHTOWL You are right. The government will use any sourse available to them if they feel it can help them in "their" cause. I once heard that anything you read or see on the telvision is roughfly ten years behind what they are really on to. Although ten maybe a stretch, i am sure it hold some merit. Originally posted by NIGHTOWL and here's the linkhttp://astralvoyage.com/projection/government.html

[philemon]

one of the indeviduals involved in some of those government experiments actually teaches a class on remote veiwing somewhere in upperstate New York i think. if anyones interested i can find out more for you.

[Howie]

Originally posted by philemon one of the indeviduals involved in some of those government experiments actually teaches a class on remote veiwing somewhere in upperstate New York i think. if anyones interested i can find out more for you. Absolutly. I think it is a very interesting subject. Although attending a class is unlikley, any books or web sites would be great philemon.

[salamnder]

"Remote Viewing" is what your looking for. I wrote a paper on it in a magic and mystisim class, 3 years ago in college. The Soviets used it and that caused the US to have psycic remote views. To make a long story short, the US government has some declassified documents, that support the concept. Kinda cool eh? Evan

[Howie]

Originally posted by salamnder \"Remote Viewing\" is what your looking for. I wrote a paper on it in a magic and mystisim class, 3 years ago in college. The Soviets used it and that caused the US to have psycic remote views. To make a long story short, the US government has some declassified documents, that support the concept. Kinda cool eh?Evan Indeed. - Remote! not distant hey. One word on a google search makes all the differance in the world. Thanks salamnder

[Jin]

The government controls us through almost everything . . .

[philemon]

its Dr David Morehouse. i didnt realize what a bid deal he was. anyway he's got a websight and plenty of books. unfortunatley he seems to reek of ghurusism. but could be worth checking out.

[Howie]

Originally posted by philemon its Dr David Morehouse. i didnt realize what a bid deal he was. anyway he's got a websight and plenty of books. unfortunatley he seems to reek of ghurusism. but could be worth checking out. Your going to have to change your name to phileMan What's ghurusism?

[philemon]

what do you mean?? anyway he just seems to be a bit of a ghuru. or guru. you know. some guy whos found a way to suport himself completely by talking. "i am sooooo deep. infact I am such a deep cat i have neither to hunt nor gather. I'm just going to sit on my but all day and be deep... and you're going to feed me. the very depth of my deepness is trully worth all the berries, nuts, dear meat and fresh water you can get for me." you know, that kind of thing..... isnt that what we all want though? damn i wish i were that deep. but if we were all that deep who would feed us?

[Howie]

I thought That is what it meant. I was to lazy to look it up myself. My wishing well is very deep What is your take on astral projection philemon?

[philemon]

hmm... I'm glad you asked that question. I'm not exactly sure how I'll answer it but ill try. I actually just started going to a blog devoted to astral projection. The idea most certainly has my intrest as of late. sometimes ill sit and meditate till i see hypnotic imagery, then I'll get somewhat unconscious all together then bam! ill find myself looking through my eye lids at whatever it was that i was looking at before i closed them. I can look around and then the moments gone. I cant seem to get past that just yet. anyway it fascinates me that you forget where you are all together and then you become lucid in a state where you see where you are... but just not with you eyes. sometimes its extremely acurate. sometimes it isnt. but its always as if im looking through my eye lids to what was before me before i closed my eyes. I find it nessesary to keep practicing till i can do it any time and for long periods of time. there's a alot of experiementing that needs to be done. my take is that the name astral projection is far to spacific a word for someting that seems far to broad. yes whatever this is is most certainly a phenominon worth taking seriously, but i think when we start putting limits on it and rules to it, i think we're limiting the whole concept. fearless and relentless exploration needs to be done in the dream world. only pushing continually pre-suposed limits. what can be done with the more general term "dreaming" i think we've only begun to scratch the surface. i think its just premature to say "this was AP, this was RV, this was LD," or "its all just lucid dreaming. I dont think there's anything ho hum about lucid dreaming. lucid dreaming is most certainly not JUST lucid dreaming. the implications are huge as to what is possible with a dreaming consciouss mind. thats all i can say just now. i gotta sleep.

[Howie]

You are in the same train of thought as I philemon. I have very vivid (HI). But I have never had effects like that. I rule nothing out anymore. How long are you expierianceing (HI) before you get to a higher plane so to speak. very interesting!!!!!!!

[Howie]

HOW TO DO A SIMPLE REMOTE VIEWING SESSION by Paul H. Smith copyright © 2006 One of the burning questions people have when they first discover remote viewing is, How can I try it? Though it takes training, time, and practice to become a highly-skilled operational-level remote viewer, it is fairly easy for even a beginner to do a simple remote viewing experiment successfully. Below are some guidelines for two basic experiments. One easy type of experiment involves merely trying to “see” what is in a picture sealed in an opaque envelope. Have a friend select several clear, interesting photos with strong shapes, lines, and colors, paste each on a plain white piece of paper, and seal each in a separate opaque envelope (it is important that nothing of the contents shows through to the outside). Your friend should also number the envelopes sequentially from "1" to whatever the highest number is. The photos should not be too complex, but striking enough that they will hold some interest to the remote viewer’s subconscious mind (which is heavily involved in the process). It is also helpful if the photos are as different as possible from each other, so it is easier to tell from the often partial results produced by a beginner’s RV process which photo the viewer has described when the session is over. When you are ready to do the session, select one of the envelopes, and sit at a table in a quiet or peaceful area with several sheets of paper and a black-ink pen. After jotting down the date and time, begin your session by writing “Target 1" (or whichever envelope you have selected) at the top of your paper. That is your “ready-set-go!” signal, and you should then relax and try to perceive the impressions that come into your mind from the photo in the envelope. Some things to remember: Remote viewing impressions must compete with all the mental “noise” that occupies all of our minds all of the time. Mental noise is made up of all the memories, thoughts, worries, guesses, deductions, distractions, and so on that keep our brains buzzing. Sorting this out from the true remote viewing signal is the hard part of the whole process. There are some guidelines, though. Bright, sharp, clear, static mental images are almost always “noise,” and therefore mistaken information. I know this sounds counterintuitive. Isn’t it called remote viewing, after all? Yes, that is so - but not everything we “see” in the remote viewing process is necessarily true. Often mental imagery is made up by our conscious minds to try (unsuccessfully) to explain more subtle things going on deeper in our minds. True remote viewing signals are often vague, fuzzy, indistinct - I like to say, “like half-remembered memories that we nevertheless know are memories you never had before.” With a few practice sessions you will start to get a feel for and notice the difference between the signal and the noise. This is, by the way, why it is important to make sketches as you go along of what you think you are perceiving. Quite frequently, sketches that don’t appear to make much sense when you first make them turn out to be fairly accurate depictions of part or all of the target. As you go through the session, record small bits of perception – colors, smells, sounds, textures, or tastes you think you perceive. Lines and shapes are also often important. Your perceptions will be fragmentary at first, but start to come together a little as time goes on. You may never get a full “picture” of what the target is (in fact, a fully-formed, sensible idea of what you think the targets represents or looks like will usually be erroneous), but what you do get will often make sense afterwards. This sort of experiment should only take five to ten minutes. When you feel you have gotten all you are going to get from your target, write “End” and your ending time at the bottom of the last sheet of paper you have used. From this point on, you should make NO FURTHER MARKS on your written remote viewing record (this is called the “transcript” of your remote viewing session). At this time, you may now open the envelope to see what the target was and compare it to your session transcript to see how you have done. Be honest with yourself – where something matches well, give yourself credit. But don’t try too hard to find a correlation between what you “viewed” and the target photo. This is sometimes called “data-fitting,” and is essentially a form of making excuses for yourself; it can get in the way of you improving your remote viewing abilities. If you can’t acknowledge where you’ve been wrong, it’s harder to learn how to do things right the next time. This brings up a further principle that is very important in learning remote viewing: You must be willing to fail to succeed. You have to try things - take intuitive risks, trust impressions you might not be sure of, acknowledge a thought you have that “doesn’t make sense” - in order to gain the experience to tell the difference between correct and incorrect data. Finally, keep good records so you can monitor your process. You should always keep your session transcripts together with the photo target that goes with it. And always date and put your name on everything you do, then file it in an accessible place. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some people prefer a slightly more complicated remote viewing protocol called an “outbounder” or “beacon” experiment. In this experiment, the remote viewer will describe and sketch details of a randomly-selected physical location. Targets that have been used in past experiments of this type have included playgrounds, public buildings, boat marinas, windmills, unique natural landmarks, commemorative monuments, and so on. Just about any location with distinct features can serve as a target. The idea is to use one or two persons as “beacons,” to help the remote viewer (or just “viewer”) to “home in” on the intended target site with her conscious awareness. The viewer then verbalizes, and records with paper and pen impressions that come into her mind during the experiment. There are a few rules to follow: The viewer should never be told what the target is or anything about it until the session is over. No one with the viewer before or during the session should know what the target is, either. Following these two rules sets up what is known as a double-blind condition. The viewer should be placed in a situation where she can relax, and where external stimulation (loud noise, brights lights and colors, etc.) is kept to a reasonable minimum. A quiet, comfortable living room, home office, bedroom, or similar setting would be appropriate for this. The procedure for the experiment is as follows: OVERVIEW A remote viewer in a closed room and having no knowledge of the target, uses his or her mental faculties to perceive and describe a target location where one or more other persons (the beacon team) have gone. PARTICIPANTS A remote viewer An interviewer or “monitor” (optional) A “beacon” or “outbounder” team consisting of one or more persons PREPARATION: Someone not directly involved in the actual remote-viewing part of the experiment prepares four or more possible targets (in an informal experiment like this a member of the outbounder team can prepare the targets, but it should not be the interviewer, and certainly not the viewer). As touched on above, the possible targets are geographical features, structures, etc. that can be reached within 30 minutes or less (including both drive + access time) from the location where the remote viewer is sequestered. The name, location, and driving instructions to each separate target are put together into an individual envelope and sealed, resulting in four or more identical envelopes, each with a different target’s information in it. The envelopes used must be thoroughly opaque so nothing can be seen of the contents from the outside, and there must be no identifying features on the outside of any of the envelopes. TARGETS: Just as mentioned above, the targets should be as different as possible one from another, with as few features in common as practical (it will probably be impossible to eliminate every common feature). This is so that by the end of the remote viewing session it will be as obvious as possible whether the viewer has described one target or another. An example target set might include a bridge, a library, an amusement park carousel, and a bakery. Another example might include the inside of a steel mill; a boat marina; a waterfall; and a botanical garden. Use your imagination, but don’t pick targets that are too complicated ? that is, have too many different features and details associated with them. When the viewer is from the local area, care should also be taken if at all possible to not select well-known landmarks that the viewer might be tempted to guess. PROCEDURE Small variations on the process are allowed, but should proceed somewhat along the following lines: Beacon team, designated remote viewer, and interviewer gather in the vicinity of the room to be used for the remote viewing session. The viewer meets and shakes hands with the beacon team. Watches are synchronized, and a time to begin the viewing is agreed upon. The target envelopes are shuffled, then someone arbitrarily numbers them from 1 to 4 (or more if there are more envelopes). Another party rolls a die, and the number on that comes to the top of the die will indicate the envelope selected (if 4 envelopes, roll die until a number from 1 to 4 comes up). The beacon team takes the selected envelope but DOES NOT open it yet. They proceed to their car, where – out of sight of the viewer and monitor – they open the envelope and follow directions to the target. The remaining envelopes are put away where the viewer cannot have access to them, and the viewer and interviewer enter the viewing room. If necessary, the interviewer explains to the remote viewer about the remote viewing process. Meanwhile, the beacon team is approaching the target. If the beacon team arrives in the targets vicinity earlier than the agreed-on remote viewing session start time (see #1 above), they will wait to approach the target until the time arrives. Once at the target, the beacon team will attempt to interact with it as much as possible. If, for example, the target is a amusement park carousel, they will look at it, ride it, stand near it, touch it, etc. This lasts for 15 minutes, at which point the team will return to the car and drive back to the viewer’s location. During the 15 minutes the beacon team is at the target site, the remote viewer and interviewer will be conducting the session, which will consist of the viewer verbalizing and recording with pen on paper any mental impressions that might have to do with the target. The interviewer assists by prompting the viewer to direct his/her attention around the target. At the conclusion of the session and after the return of the beacon team, the remote viewer is then escorted by the beacon team back to the actual target so he/she can receive feedback as to what the target was and to compare what was perceived during the session to the actual target. (Alternatively, if the return trip is impractical the beacon team can take a video camera along to the target to record the experience while they are there. The video can then be played back to the viewer for feedback purposes.) MATERIALS Target envelopes and die. (Each envelope contains a different target, including name of target, directions to it, and perhaps even a photograph of it.) A stack of white 8.5X11 paper, and a pen with black, indelible ink, medium point. The viewer will use this to record her impressions. A car to transport beacon team and also to take remote viewer to target afterwards. A quiet place with a table and chairs where the session can be conducted.

[archae93]

I recommend the recent book "The Men Who Stare at Goats" for a journalist's account of the history of the attempts by US military and intelligence to harness and weaponize psi & supernatural abilities. It's quite a funny book, although it's kind of sad to see how much time and money was spent on such things.

[Asclepius]

How I Was a Psychic Spy for the CIA and Found God http://www.espresearch.com/ I had a chance to meet Russell Targ at lucidity workshop run by LaBerge. Targ was a guest speaker. Targ's theory Awareness is non-local[/b] Targ is a physicist, non-local is used in the technical sense.

[AHiddenSaint]

GO get the book REMOTE VIEWING SECRETS A Handbook It is by Joseph McMoneagle also here is a quick search. http://www.remoteviewed.com/remote_viewing...jmcmoneagle.htm Joseph McMoneagle is generally refered to as the world bet remote viewer and goes by the name viewer 001. Joseph W. McMoneagle was born January 10, 1946, in Miami, Florida. He voluntarily joined the U.S. Army and was recruited by the Army Security Agency for classified assignments. He spent mid-1964 through 1978 on various overseas missions within the countries of The Bahamas, South Vietnam, Germany, Italy, Thailand, and others, eventually being assigned to the Headquarters of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) in Arlington, Virginia. As a result of many unusual events in his life, a near-death experience, a UFO sighting, and numerous spontaneous out-of-body episodes, he was one of the original Intelligence Officers recruited for the Army program now known as STAR GATE. While there, he earned a Legion of Merit award for providing "...critical intelligence reported at the highest echelons of our military and government, including such national level agencies as; The Joint Chiefs of Staff, DIA, NSA, CIA, DEA, and the Secret Service, producing crucial and vital intelligence unavailable from any other source." Following his retirement from the Army in 1984, he maintained his association with the STAR GATE program through his own company, Intuitive Intelligence Applications, working as a remote viewing consultant to the Cognitive Sciences Laboratories at SRI-International and Science Applications International Corporation until the program was formally closed in November of 1995. Joe is currently a Research Associate with the Laboratories for Fundamental Research in Palo Alto, where he continues to research and explore for more effective answers to questions concerning the applications of remote viewing, its underlying mechanisms, and within the field of the paranormal. He has successfully demonstrated remote viewing within acceptable protocols, live and on camera, in numerous network broadcasts shown in America and England; the most notable being, "Put To The Test" an ABC Special, and for the "Reader's Digest Mysteries of the Unexplained, Powers of the Paranormal," video series. He is now acknowledged as one of the best remote viewers in the field.

[AHiddenSaint]

http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/joe/...6-pw/index.html INTERVIEW WITH JOE MCMONEAGLE Tom: First of all, Joe, we are curious to know what it was like being a "psychic spy" (also known as "Remote Viewing Agent #001"). Did you enjoy the work? Was it glamorous or exciting in the way most of us ordinary folks imagine espionage work to be? Joe: While the work was sometimes exciting, it definitely was not glamorous. Intelligence work, by its very nature, requires that it be done in the background, without notice, as unobtrusively as possible. Since success highlights a vulnerability, success is never discussed openly. This holds true for all forms of intelligence work, including remote viewing. Our work was generally focused on performance, so a lot of pressure and always a very serious attitude were present. What made it terribly difficult at times was having to function within a general atmosphere of ridicule, specifically from those in the military who rejected what we were doing out of hand. Not everyone accepted, or wanted to accept, the fact that we were able to do what we were doing. Tom: You were involved with the government's remote viewing program first as an Army officer, and then, after your retirement from the military, as a civilian employee, for a total of 18 years. How many operational taskings--we probably should refer to them as psychic spying missions--did you engage in during these years? Joe: Over the course of nearly 18 years, I was probably involved in a few thousand operational taskings. More difficult, however, were the more than 1000 "viewings" I did for research purposes during this period. And I probably did another 2500 for practice,operational demonstrations, private and public demonstrations, and that sort of thing. Tom: What was your accuracy rate for these taskings, or missions? Joe: Accuracy is difficult to measure. Operationally, it is a measurement of whether or not you gave someone the answer they were looking for. You could make 50 or 60 statements, the majority being unverifiable, but if you provided that one fact they were looking for, then you would be considered accurate. In truth, accuracy should only be measured in a laboratory, scientifically. That way, both the target and the circumstances of the "viewing" can be scientifically controlled. The scientists present know how much you said, how much of what you said was right, how much of what you said was wrong, and, usually, how much you could have said but didn't. My average under these circumstances ranged between 65 and 75 percent. Tom: We know that you're under National Security constraints, and sworn to secrecy oaths, but are there any taskings or missions that perhaps have been declassified that you can tell us about? Joe: Well, in 1979, most U.S. Intelligence agencies had become aware that the Russians had built what was the largest building under a single roof in the world. No one in these agencies, however, knew what was going on inside. I was asked to remote viewing this facility, and I said I thought they were building a submarine. I was also able to provide specific details about this submarine, including its size, armament, hull configuration, and even the projected date of launch. As a result of this information I provided, the intelligence community was later able to confirm the existence of the new Soviet "Typhoon"-class submarine--the largest in the world! Another tasking assigned to me came when Army Brig. Gen. James Dozier was kidnapped by the Red Brigade in northern Italy in 1981. Upon remote viewing the situation, I was able to provide the name of the town and a description of where he was being held. Dozier was freed, however, before my information (which was correct) arrived on site. Tom: Joe, how much of the government's remote viewing program--which formally existed from 1978 to 1995, right?--would you estimate is still classified? Joe: The Army remote viewing program began in 1978 and ended in November of 1995. Probably less than two percent of the information pertinent to the program has been released; certainly almost none of the operational data. A great deal of the research data is still classified as well. Tom: Can you tell us which government agencies utilized you for psychic spying work? Joe: My Legion of Merit award, which I received for my work in the remote viewing program, mentions a number of agencies, including the CIA, DIA, FBI, Secret Service, Department of Defense, U.S. Customs, and even the U.S. Coast Guard. There are numerous others which will remain anonymous. I might add that, as is normally the case, information of extreme value is always separated from the source, in order to protect the source. So, it would not be surprising if some of the agencies that used our services didn't even know they were doing so. Tom: These agencies must have been highly satisfied with your performance! The fact that you received the Legion of Merit award, we think, is testimony to that. Joe: Most of the agencies were satisfied. If one understands how intelligence information is actually used, then one would understand that our material was no more or no less valued than any other sources material. It most certainly was never intended to be used as a "stand-alone" material, which is a fabrication. Tom: Probably the most extensive book published to date about the government remote viewing program is Jim Schnabel's 452-page Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies (1997). Having been a part of the program during its entire existence, do you regard this book to be a fairly accurate portrayal of the program and the individuals involved? Joe: Concerning Remote Viewers, it is probably 40/60--the 60 percent being way off mark. Without confirming or denying any of its content, I can say there are two major holes in it. First of all, 16 of the 26 people interviewed for the book had no direct knowledge of the Army remote viewing program except through hearsay. Most of my "interview" was extrapolated from a talk I gave at the Monroe Institute in Virginia, and required at least a few leaps of logic. Some of the people interviewed had axes to grind. And, if you examine the book carefully, you will notice a total lack of information concerning the research side, after 1986, when about 75 percent of the research was expended (between 1986 and 1995). Tom: You've been called "the most renowned remote viewer in the United States," but we might never have heard of you (or the remote viewing program) if it had not been for the sterling spade work done back in the 1970s by famed psychic Ingo Swann--who has been called the "father of remote viewing"--and the scientists at the American Society of Psychical Research (ASPR) and the Stanford Research Institute (now known as SRI International). Surely you must feel a good deal of gratitude to these individuals. Any others who come to mind and who you think should be acknowledged for their contributions to remote viewing? Joe: If you want to refer to the "father of remote viewing," you would have to go back half a century to the French parapsychologist, Rene Warcollier. At a lecture he delivered at the Sorbonne in June 1946, he presented the results of hundreds of experiments that he had conducted in the decades prior. The examples Warcollier presented were clearly, and without a doubt, remote viewing. Warcollier's work was certainly limelighted by Ingo Swann's work with the ASPR, as well as by the work done by Dr. Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ at SRI International. Pat Price, one of the first remote viewers to be tested by Puthoff and Targ, certainly was instrumental in establishing the intelligence value of remote viewing. And, over the past 10 years, a significant amount of research has been published by Dr. Edwin C. May of the Cognitive Sciences Lab. We could not have gotten to where we are without any of these individuals, as well as the dozens of others who made significant contributions. Tom: You were featured on an ABC-TV special back in late November 1995 called PUT TO THE TEST, and successfully demonstrated your remote viewing abilities before a huge national audience. Weren't you the first person ever to do this? Has anyone else, to your knowledge, done it since? Joe: I might have been the first person to demonstrate remote viewing on a major TV network, but plenty of others preceded me in demonstrating it on film. Ingo Swann, Pat Price, and Hella Hammid, all remote viewers at SRI International during the '70's, were part of this bunch. I might add that, in regard to the ABC-TV special, I've since done seven more shows like it, both here and in England. Tom: Upon retiring from the military in 1984, you founded Intuitive Intelligence Applications and proceeded to make your remote viewing services available to the public. Your company is still around today, and we wonder what types of clients you tend to attract? Joe: In regards to my business, Intuitive Intelligence Applications, I've always promised my clients full anonymity. So, I cannot be too specific in my response. I can say that I've provided support to anthropologists, geologists, engineers, private investigators, law enforcement officials, investment counselors, people involved with research and development, as well as private citizens with unique problems. Most of my clients, about 80 percent, are serious and no-nonsense type of people, the rest perhaps a bit over the edge. Since I prioritize my work, there are some I have to turn away. Tom: Your highly acclaimed book, Mind Trek: Exploring Consciousness, Time and Space Through Remote Viewing (first published in 1993), was republished in June 1997. We understand you added some new material. What did you add? Joe: I added two chapters. One addresses the formal review of the remote viewing program that was done by the American Institutes for Research (AIR), a review that was very negative in nature. To show the real merit of remote viewing, I provide (in this new chapter) an example of a simulated intelligence target we did for a specific agency to test my ability. It clearly demonstates our level of competence and flies in the face of the AIR report. The other new chapter addresses what I call Delusions and Potentials; in other words, what remote viewing can and cannot do. I also corrected a number of glitches that were present in the first edition. Tom: One of the most interesting chapters in your book is titled "Another World," containing an account of your remote viewing some pyramids on Mars. Many readers of the book were probably a bit surprised to learn that one can actually remote view such things! Tell us, is there anything that cannot be remote viewed? How about UFOs? Joe: In my 20 years of experience with remote viewing, I've never known a target that could not be remote viewed. But there are some targets, I feel, that shouldn't be viewed. There are also targets about which nothing can be verified. UFOs fall squarely into this category. It's my opinion that remote viewing should be used when and where it will do the most good; e.g., against terrorism, to assist police, in support of nuclear non-proliferation, and so on. THE GOVERNMENT RV PROGRAM After 1972, scientists at SRI International, the nation's second largest "think tan," improved and expanded upon the original remote viewing (RV) protocol created at the ASPR in 1971. The discovery that a protocol involving geographical coordinates enabled remote viewers to accurate draw and describe a geological target drew the attention of U.S. intelligence agencies with interest in considering "coordinate RV" as a potential intelligence-gathering tool. After CIA funding, other agencies, including the ultra-secret DIA, Navy, Air Force, and NASA, also helped finance the research. By 1978, the Army had heard about the SRI program and decided to create its own secret RV unit. It was initially code-named GONDOLA WISH, and consisted of Army intelligence officers with some natural psychic ability who were then familiarized with the RV techniques developed at SRI International. The Army RV unit operated covertly for 17 years under various code-names. The program established to employ it eventually passed to the DIA and finally to the CIA. Used primarily as an offensive spying unit, its services were made available to the entire U.S. Intelligence community. The RV unit was terminated by the CIA in late 1995, and declassification of its records began. This paved the way for "civilianization" of RV, and for teaching RV techniques by former government remote viewers to the public. Tom: In your book you touch upon what perhaps could be referred to as "past viewing," and relate how remote viewing can be utilized to amplify our knowledge of past events. Can you provide us with some examples? How about the Kennedy assassination? Could that be remote viewed in order to learn the real truth? Joe: Some examples of past viewings would be: locating things on archeological digs; expanding upon an anthropological history of a specific culture; or, looking at details surrounding a historic event. The idea behind past viewing is to provide verifiable information that will expand our existing knowledge of these things in some way; perhaps indicate a place to dig, identify a few sources of information, guide someone to something that supports a new theory, or so on. Some things, such as the Kennedy assassination, are best left alone. Tom: We heard that you're at work on another book, one which deals with "forward viewing," or remote viewing the future. How far into the future have you viewed? Joe: My next book, tentatively titled A Journey Through Time, is nearly finished. It contains about 150 predictions relevant to now through the year 2075. Another section of the book describes what the Earth and life on it will be like in the year 3000. Tom: So, remote viewing is not constrained by time! It's astounding to realize that one can actually remote view the past and future as well as the present. This aspect of remote viewnig sort of verifies Einstein's words, "The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Joe: That's right, remote viewing is not constrained by time. Time does, however, create some problems. In the case of remote viewing the past, one runs up against well-entrenched beliefs and theories that people are not willing to change. Remote viewing the future has its own problems. In some cases, once the viewer has gotten out just a few years (into the future), she or he might be able to see the information with 100 percent clarity, but will lack knowledge of the concepts needed to glue it all together and permit its understanding. As a parallel, imagine someone in the year 1880 trying to describe how a modern-day, high-energy pump laser operates. Tom: Joe, can everyone learn to remote view? And, if so, to the same degree? Joe: Research of over 25 years shows that just about every human being ever tested was psychic to some degree. So, yes, just about anyone can learn to remote view. However, the degree of ability displayed will range across the board. Some persons prove to be very good, others never get beyond "gestalt" (or rudimentary remote viewing). Innate talent has a great deal to do with it, like athletic prowess or having a musical ear. Tom: What advantage might a person have by being able to remote view? Joe: Actually, the viewer has very little advantage. As a viewer, one cannot pick and choose targets; otherwise, the protocol is invalidated. There are ways of coping with this problem, such as mixing a target in with several hundred others. The real advantage to learning how to view remotely is that one assumes control of what is happening in the mind. The benefits are there: pain control, focusing ability, tapping of creative juices--that sort of thing. Tom: In the past, you've referred to remote viewing as a "martial arts of the mind." What exactly do you mean by this? Joe: In the martial arts, one makes a study of an appropriate technique that others have established; it might be called a style. One proceeds to practice this technique, usually for years, until it is second nature. Once a certain level of competence has been reached, one then improves on the technique by adding his or her own style. Learning remote viewing is not something one does for a couple of years. It's something you do for a lifetime. It's a martial art of the mind. Tom: For those readers interested in learning about remote viewing, how do you recommend they do so? Joe: I'd like to say find somebody competent to teach you. Unfortunately, there are very few teachers who have succeeded in understanding the basics of remote viewing. Many who have hung up shingles don't even know what the remote viewing protocol consists of. If I were just beginning, I'd try and find my own road. I'd learn from a reputable scientist what constitutes a valid protocol, and then just start practicing. A basic protocol, by the way, can be viewed on our web site: www.lfr.org. Tom: Any plans, Joe, for becoming a remote viewing teacher yourself? Joe: I have no immediate plans to teach remote viewing. I am not sure we know enough about it yet to be teaching others past a rudimentary level. Besides, I'm very busy still learning more about it myself. I'm fully involved in remote viewing research as a research associate with the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory in Palo Alto (California), and am a full member of the Parapsychological Association. Along with my writing and the demands of my business, this work keeps me quite busy! Tom: Thank you, Joe, for making this interview such an interesting one.

[Nikolaa]

i can't read all that,so i'll just say there is a lot of that,there are centers in russia about this

[Howie]

Originally posted by Nikolaa i can't read all that,so i'll just say there is a lot of that,there are centers in russia about this I have read that is one of the main reasons that the U.S.A. had made an effort to attempt Remote Viewing. The US was dubious about the entire process, then word got out that the Russians were getting RESULTS from these tests. The United Staes followed suite, like any aspect of the cold war. Neither super power could afford to fall behind the other in any possible military advantage, hence... project Star Gate.

[AHiddenSaint]

[quote] I have read that is one of the main reasons that the U.S.A. had made an effort to attempt Remote Viewing. The US was dubious about the entire process, then word got out that the Russians were getting RESULTS from these tests. The United Staes followed suite, like any aspect of the cold war. Neither super power could afford to fall behind the other in any possible military advantage, hence... project Star Gate. From the interview Tom: We know that you're under National Security constraints, and sworn to secrecy oaths, but are there any taskings or missions that perhaps have been declassified that you can tell us about? Joe: Well, in 1979, most U.S. Intelligence agencies had become aware that the Russians had built what was the largest building under a single roof in the world. No one in these agencies, however, knew what was going on inside. I was asked to remote viewing this facility, and I said I thought they were building a submarine. I was also able to provide specific details about this submarine, including its size, armament, hull configuration, and even the projected date of launch. As a result of this information I provided, the intelligence community was later able to confirm the existence of the new Soviet "Typhoon"-class submarine--the largest in the world! Another tasking assigned to me came when Army Brig. Gen. James Dozier was kidnapped by the Red Brigade in northern Italy in 1981. Upon remote viewing the situation, I was able to provide the name of the town and a description of where he was being held. Dozier was freed, however, before my information (which was correct) arrived on site.

[Howie]

Interesting AHiddenSaint!! I know most governments are not shy about spending money hand over fist at the expense of others. But I do fell that they would not put this much effort into something if they thought it had no precedence. If they felt they were barking up the wrong tree they would have terminated these efforts long ago. These are just reviews we are now being brought up to date. Who is to say what remains clandestine in nature, perhaps always remaining declassified for security purposes. Maybe if any of these projects do hold any credibility, other Remote Viewers/distant viewers may be their worst enemy. Just a thought. It would be kind of ironic to use their own refined techniques to declassify covert operations.