Thread: Obe Turned Out To Be Just A Dream

I don't know what I believe really. just curious. I guess all dreams could be considered OBEs. Do you think that's different from astral projection? my understanding of astral projection is that what you see is the real world.

Sounds like an OBE. You must remember that to maintain complete clarity duing an OBE requires a lot of focus and practice; often your subconscious will take over and you will start to dream. Also, consider the idea that you actually DID leave your body: first of all, your brain does not go with you, so when you return, you have to imprint the memory of the experience into your brain in order for you to even recall it, else it becomes subconscious only; same as with remembering a dream. The only way to know for sure is through practice, or through confirmation (such as clairvoyance).

My first OBE was like yours, it FELT like a dream, except that I was dreaming I was on the front porch (a long way away from where I was sleeping). I was standing there watching my relatives drive up, get out of the car, and walk towards the house. As soon as they turned the doorknob, I awoke and in they came. Not all OBEs have perfect clarity, but some do...when they do, you cannot deny that it is real.

He stated that you forget your astral projection if you don't will yourself to remember them (how can you forget?)[/b]

To understand this, you first have to believe that you actually leave the physical body. The brain is physical and is a filter for consciousness. This is hard to explain...certain neurons in the brain link together to form thoughts, trigger emotional responses, etc.. (a neural net) these are the results of the filtering of our consciousness. For example; when you dream (in my belief) you leave your physical body everytime. When you wake up, you only remember your dreams if you consciously force yourself to ingrain them in memory. How many times have you written down your dreams but failed to re-write the sloppy handwriting later, only to find out that you don't remember anything about what you wrote; this is because all those memories were lost to this "neural net" by you simply choosing not to put it in there. It is never completely lost, but is not easily retrieved after long periods of time.

It is hard to believe, I know, but once you believe that you DO leave the body...the above has to be true, as the brain does not travel with you, and explains all manner of dream recall. If you can forget a dream, you can forget a projection.

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As far as my belief is concerned, I do indeed believe that projection is real. If it wasn't, then one could not explain how a person can describe things that went on in the next room while experiencing floating and many times a very real world, even more real than this one. There are only two ways to look at it if the above is accepted: 1) You leave your body or 2) Your consciousness is part of some cosmic stream that can be tapped into at any moment to provide one with any information and the illusion of floating is simply an aid or a "vehicle". Either way...it's the same thing. You are traveling, just in different ways. As physical beings, it is only natural that we would picture the experience as with a body. Not all do however...many people are points of light or consciousness. You see...the dream world and the "astral" (remember it is just a word) are essentially the same; An OBE is controlled by conscious thought, while dreaming is subconscious...a very fine line indeed, as most of the time they blend together.

Lucidity comes in stages. You may be able to summon any weapon you want into your hands during a dream but still think you are in WWII or you may know you are dreaming the scenario, but cannot pinpoint where you really are...etc..ect. The clearest of lucid dreams are ultimately OBEs, as the illusion falls away and you see what is "actually there" (do not take that too literally). Well, that's my 2 cents.

Even more, usually when I close my eyes and prepare to sleep, dreams of past days or years that I never remembered before suddenly come.[/b]

Indeed. The first time this happened to me, I was inspired to pursue knowledge into this area again, after many years of not doing so. Dreams that could only have been from almost a decade ago suddenly surfaced as I dozed off unintentionally. All this info is obviously stored in the subconscious, or as I see it that part of the mind not physical. Depends on whether or not you believe all consciousness is a product of the human brain. I don't because the way the brain forms thought patterns is finite. How can this be examined without a different observer. Buddhist Insight meditation is probably the best example I can give of this.

Have you ever experienced anything like this? Surely such things are written in books, but books are being written for money and fame.[/b]

Fair and often accurate assumption. While I do believe most books on such things are self-glorifying nonsense, some are too "accurate" to be so. This is impossible to explain as I have no examples at hand, so I will leave it at that.

Personally, I have had no "real world" experiences yet, but have had many, many precognitive, and real time views of the world that could not have been seen from a position inside of my own body, like the example in my first post, though that one was a complete accident. Still, there can be doubt that I may be hallucinating. I used to wonder, but I don't really think so. The vibrations that I go through before a projection are undeniable and can be extremely violent. On this point, let me also say that I first tried AP when I was 15...I had read a book that simply said to think of nothing. I knew nothing of vibrations or any of that junk, and simply spent a week attempting to think of nothing at all. Then the vibrations started, and let me say I didn't mess with AP again for a few years, thinking I was seizuring or something. I wonder if science has ever come up with an explanation for this? I will have to look it up now that I think about it. Another odd thing is that the vibes are centered at certain points in the body. I found it interesting to later find out that they are directly in the places where people for ages claim the chakras are located.

The first time I floated was amazing. It is was very real. I knew it was no dream, as when you know, you know, but of course I freaked and lost focus. At other times I would feel something in my body literally struggling to get out, to the point where I felt like someone was inside me trying to twist and turn it's way out. Also, I often experience the "seeing through the eyelids" that you hear about now and then. You can literally see with clear eyes what is beyond your eyelids. I am still working on a full real time projection, but as you can see it is easy for me to make the bridge to total belief. Most of my projections have been from dreams, and always the full ones. Thankfully, these often gave me personal evidence that it was not normal, like the example in my first post, or something so small as watching as a spider comes down from the ceiling to land on my face, and then I wake up freaking out. Sure enough, there is that spider landing on my face (yeah that was terrible). Finally, there are all those accounts of NDEs and OBEs and other such things throughout history coupled with the very same symptoms I experience.

It is just one of those things you have to try out to experience, as it can never be proven, at least I cannot imagine how it could be. At the very worst one gains visualization skills. I have yet to see a real scientific explanation that makes sense to me. All they seem to be able to say is "hallucination". Then again, many of us know for a fact that precognition is real, yet science cannot agree that it is, and it shouldn't of course.

My first/third WILD may have been the closest I've ever been to producing a real OBE (though I doubt I was actually traveling the physical world - I don't think this is possible unless God grants you special permission, OBEing the real world just wouldn't be fair to everyone else)

The first one I seriously scared shitless while it was happening. My thoughts were racing as I was sitting in the middle of room (with really odd vision) as what to do, what possibly might be in the room with me, etc. I could of swore I heard a loud screech that sounded like it came from the distance - what the fuck that was, scared the crap out of me even more so I started staggering circles in my room since I didn't know what I was doing, I felt a presence near by and just aborted the entire thing. Entering the unknown was one of the scariest things I've ever done, but I continued, reading guidelines that there isn't anything to fear, and that you can't be heard.

But they got much better afterward. One I had was amazing, it was like heavenly version of my room, everything was sparkling clean, light rays were visible coming through the window (like how they come through clouds), it was such a nice environment.

But about OBEing in general - I'm still unsure about it. I still feel iffy about (in the sense that should I be trying them sometimes or not, is against God's rules, and etc).

I'd say 33% of my WILDs have vibrational like separations.

That's strange. How exactly are they centered? I noticed that previbrational sensations are centered in certain places. But vibrations themselves? Hm, I'm pretty sure that I always feel the whole of my body shaking, and no part of it is shaking more than others or creates the shaking. In case of 'skin' trying to part with me, it's always the whole layer of skin, starting from toes and ending with the tip of the head. In all cases it feels like all of the body gets the same sensation. Could it be just your case that you're describing or are you talking about previbrational sensations?[/b]

Usually I end up with the whole body shaking as well, but it always starts in areas along the spine. The strongest of the sensations is the back of the head and the heart area, but I also feel vibrations centered around every other chakra spot. Oddly, as I have gotten more used to it, I even feel them sometimes during the day; heavy throbbing sensations in the same spots. As I get closer to projection, it is like an electric current connecting all of these areas, eventually making them all vibrate at once, making it feel more like a straight line of vibrations. You mentioned your neck splitting; that may be similar. I know the back of my head hurts a great deal as the vibrations are so violent, and causes a headache after some time.

I'd like to hear about them very much. And about all your experiences, in fact. Do you have a dream journal? Hopefully I could get it via email?[/b]

Alas, I have only began the journal recently after my last precognitive experience. It was so frequent that I could no longer ignore it. It all began when I was again 15. I attempted a meditation that was supposed to induce precognitive experiences. Well, that night I had one, though I do not believe it was because of the meditation, but rather because I desired some proof that there was more to life than science. Of course, since then I have had no doubt about the validity of such things, so the dreams came time and again; either that or I finally started noticing them. The trouble is I can never tell what part of a dream is the future until it happens. The last one I decided not to take a chance on: I dreamed that I was trying to blow my head off with a shotgun due to lung cancer. lol, yeah I quit smoking the next day with no withdrawal or regrets. That was 3 months ago. It just shows the power of once you know it's real, you become more aware of your dreams.

Naturally, As I got into projection again, I started making connections to it and it all started to make more sense; explaining why I was feeling like an observer, body and all, watching some of these events or just seeing places. I often would have dreams of being somewhere that I would end up being the next day, though I had never been there before, and if I had, usually the scenery was different than usual.

If you could have seen your sleeping body then yes you projected if you weren't able to see you're sleeping physical body then no you didn't project. If you did project though you projected at the lowest level which isn't really the astral plane but right below it. You are basically an invisible spectator of the physical world.

Originally Posted by Follower;

blade5x, you seem to have a serious internal conflict. If you feel so strongly that an idea of being out of body disagrees with you, maybe you shouldn't take up OBEing or should do it very carefelly. While you're uneasy and scared, you'll always have something to be scared of, that seems to be a law of lucid dreaming in general.
As far as I understand, religious believes can create a very strong conflict. Even if you conquer your fear forcefully, the idea about wrongness of the whole thing would be lingering in the back of you mind, and eventually something unpleasant might happen. Not necessarily in an OBE, you might just start feeling depressed about the whole thing overall and give up on dreaming. If that sounds possible, maybe it would really be better to separate WILDing and OBEing, and then just wake yourself up every time the vibrations come?
But maybe I'm overestimating the magnitute of your internal conflict Only you can know.
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Ok... like I said, I don't think I've ever left my body.

I don't think when you OBE you actually leave your body, no matter how real it seems. I've had dreams that were "just as real".

Do I think the dreamscape exists and is possibly connected the spirtual world - of course.

I don't think lucid dreaming is bad at all, I wouldn't have done it near 40 times since I've joined if I thought it was.

The "iffy feeling" comes in when I think I'm actually very close to this spiritual world, and then I think, "what I am doing? Why am I doing this - should I be messing around with this". Every single human being who has entered the unknown has questioned himself, and had odd feelings, weather it be those who sailed across the ocean hundreds of years ago, or a little kid who is going to school for the first time - so where you say I have a serious internal conflict, I think you mean, natural human reaction