are DCs real people

[FluBB]

i know i will get a lot of crap about this, but i am just wondering what other people think. i wrote this on some other topic but decided to start my own. i know this is a really dumb question, but what if a lot of the DCs in non lucid dreams and some Lucids are all real people somewhere in the world, and maybe we percieve them differently or something... yeah.....

[justme]

Ya I thought about that too. I don't think so though, but that would be weird if 2 people had the same dream but they both had different roles. And they would never know it because they would never see each other. Kind of like shared dreams, or some Hegel's idea of a shared human consciousness, or in this case sub-conciseness lol. But I don’t think that’s that type of dreaming is possible. And that's not a dumb question btw.

[kajizabam]

that would be crazy if dcs were real people and they played special roles in our dreams. WHat would also be crazy is if everybody we grew up with and encountered in the waking life are dcs made from our subconscience.

[Leo Volont]

Well... there was the time that I had a Shared Dream. So that one time I am convinced that the Dream Character was another actual person. So many Dream Character may actually be real people. Now, I know that not everybody is proficient at Dream Flying, and so some Dream Characters may be actual people but without the ability to, well, levitate in dreams, but when other Dream Characters ARE able to levitate, it is my custom to treat them as though they are Real People. You see, it is so rare for another Dream Character to be able to fly, that is, besides myself, that I think it entitles them to some actual respect.

[justme]

Originally posted by Follower If DCs were real people they must be crazy downs . At least my DCs usually are very dumb. They act absurd and if you talk they answer absurdly. Would real people behave like crazy men even while dreaming? Lol I done some pretty stupid things in lucid and non-lucid dreams.

[GiraffeToothbrush]

Originally posted by Leo Volont Well... there was the time that I had a Shared Dream. So that one time I am convinced that the Dream Character was another actual person. So many Dream Character may actually be real people. Now, I know that not everybody is proficient at Dream Flying, and so some Dream Characters may be actual people but without the ability to, well, levitate in dreams, but when other Dream Characters ARE able to levitate, it is my custom to treat them as though they are Real People. You see, it is so rare for another Dream Character to be able to fly, that is, besides myself, that I think it entitles them to some actual respect. In my first lucid dream, a Dream Character taught me how to fly. Well, he was teaching a class how to fly, and I listened in on them. I was trying to fly at the time and I couldn't, and they all appeared out of nowhere. After the flying lesson, he started talking about semen. I don't know why.

[icuurd12b42]

I believe it could be that some dreams are shared and some are not. For the ones that are not, the DCs are not too bright. For the ones that are shared, the DCs act normal. At least as normal as one can be when not realising they are dreaming. I mean, when you talk to them, they are pretty convincing. Unless my ego is supper smart. I had never met another lucid dreamer (that I can tell) in a dream. Then… I once was in a dream that seemed like everyone around were expert lucid dreamers. We had gathered up, two clans, for a fight to end all fights. Something about a dream war that had gone on far too long (According to one guy I talked with). We where instructed on what to do to beat the other clan. Those of you who can fly, you will attack from the east, those who can teleport will plant their bombs before you arrive. You will take down such and such a target. Those who can only walk will provide the final onslaught…. And so on (Details evade me now, this was a few years back). I could fly in this dream so we all took off. We were, what it seems, thousands in the air. On the ground, I could see the rest of the people, thousands as well. Quite impressive. I crashed and woke up when I got truly lucid and decided to fly outside the formation. So I don’t know who won. It did get me thinking on the possibility that I was not alone in that dream. I mean this sort of dream I had never had before. Complete story line and background with a final outcome. It felt like an online game and some of the people in there seemed to take it very seriously. I felt like a newbie and was told to shut up when I would ask a question. For people who travel around the world in dreams to a location they have never been, it all seems authentic, could it be that the location is created by a local of that region who is dreaming or has left his imprint in the dream world? How could I conjure up a location in Thailand (for example) if I have never been there. So, I vote yes, DC are probably real people in some dreams. Their level of lucidity would vary widely enough for you to think a DC is not a real person in such a dream. Someone’s dream could be another’s nightmare.

[Ev]

^ Incredibly cool experience. Imagine a new kind of dream spectacle : thousands of adept lucid dreamers battle each other while millions of other lucid dreamers watch. About DCs - I was very interested in this concept and conducted many experiments a long time ago. Sometimes I would feel as if that person that is next to me is special and is actually a real person dreaming. So I would ask them for their email. I would ask over and over again, as I simply could not hold that thing in my mind for too long. Eventually I wake up and realize that the thing those people were telling me is not even remotely feasible, it's just fake. Sometimes they tell me some word and I do a google search on it which comes up with no results. Once or twice I caught a DC in the act of lying and pretending to be a real person - that sucka run for his life, as I was so furious... My point here is - often it may seem like people in your dreams are real, but please, TEST it for yourself before blindly believing this kind of stuff. I can also tell you about many times I saw my relatives in my dreams and I was telling them that this is a dream and upon waking up I would ask them, but they dont remember anything like that. The only experience that I think remotely hints at the fact that DCs may be real people and dream sharing may be possible comes from my early childhood - there was a companion in a lot of my dreams that I can vaguely identify as my sister, yet she does not remember anything about her dreaming at that early age... I myself can only remember that when I'm really stoned So dont take my word on this matter very seriously.

[Nerte]

I don't think DCs are real people you sharing a dream with. Why? Most of your dreams are about you. You are the main character of story, you know what I mean? I never felt like outsider in my dream. I am the one that is story about. And everybody (I think) got mostly dreams like that so... If other DC are real people treir dreams must be very boring and without being main character.

[Distant Clone]

Well, you have to define "real". Other than that, I think most DCs are one's imagination, although I do think it's possible to for two or more to share the same dream environment. I remember one time one time gaining lucidity when particles were forming in front of me. I could feel something was in front of me, so I peeked through my third eye and it revealed someone. He was a little upset and said "She's not going to be happy about this". That's not the convincing part, but later in the dream, I was on top of a castle with four monks, under a stormy sky where lightning was going back and forth in the clouds. I put it in the back of my mind to call down and be struck by lightning, I always wanted to do that , but did not get the chance in this dream. I was sitting next to one monk taking pictures of the sky, we were all ducked behind the wall of the castle. I'm not sure when, but I began talking with him, and at one point asked "so that means I'm dreaming, right"? He looked like he was deciding between two options when he finally exclaimed "Yep"! I said "Alright! High five!" and he put his hand up just like me. Unfortunately, right as I was about to hit his hand, I felt an incredibly high vibration. As soon as I touched him, I got bounced right out of the dream.

[icuurd12b42]

Originally posted by Ev+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ev)</div> ^ Incredibly cool experience. Imagine a new kind of dream spectacle : thousands of adept lucid dreamers battle each other while millions of other lucid dreamers watch. [/b] Yes, quite an interesting concept. Originally posted by Ev+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ev)</div> About DCs - I was very interested in this concept and conducted many experiments a long time ago. Sometimes I would feel as if that person that is next to me is special and is actually a real person dreaming. So I would ask them for their email. I would ask over and over again, as I simply could not hold that thing in my mind for too long. Eventually I wake up and realize that the thing those people were telling me is not even remotely feasible, it's just fake. Sometimes they tell me some word and I do a google search on it which comes up with no results. Once or twice I caught a DC in the act of lying and pretending to be a real person - that sucka run for his life, as I was so furious... My point here is - often it may seem like people in your dreams are real, but please, TEST it *for yourself before blindly believing this kind of stuff. [/b] Well, If you were to meet me in a dream, I would probably fail to tell you anything about my waking life. When I’m lucid, All I know is that I am dreaming and that I am. All conversations, memories and thoughts are usually based on the dream. I can have meaningful conversation about the dream but not about my real life. I have no idea who I am until I wake up. Many times, I found myself talking gibberish to others (Especially if I am drunk or pot headed). Heck, I could be one of your DCs . Originally posted by Ev I can also tell you about many times I saw my relatives in my dreams and I was telling them that this is a dream and upon waking up I would ask them, but they dont remember anything like that. * The only experience that I think remotely hints at the fact that DCs may be real people and dream sharing may be possible comes from my early childhood - *there was a companion in a lot of my dreams that I can vaguely identify as my sister, yet she does not remember anything about her dreaming at that early age... I myself can only remember that when I'm really stoned So dont take my word on this matter very seriously. Well, the dream that really got me thinking was this one. After having sex with this woman, we went to sleep. I the dream, I was with her and we were trying to cook a meal. Nothing worked, the toaster would not work, only 2 elements of the stove would work and the oven totally blew its bottom element. It lasted for a while, repeating scene after scene, like a loop. Finally, the girl said, “I think we’re dreaming“. I then woke up. I was not lucid in this dream but the experience really shook me. I was breathing heavily like I‘d been running like a mad man. The girl, who was also awake now, said, “Well, that was an interesting dream!”. She got up and went in the kitchen. I remained in bed, still confused about what had happen and especially about what she just said. (Did she really say that or am I still dreaming? I wondered). Then she yelled from the kitchen. “The stove is working!”. I did not ask about her dream; I was too scared about what the answer might be. Originally posted by Nerte I don't think DCs are real people you sharing a dream with. Why? Most of your dreams are about you. You are the main character of story, you know what I mean? * Maybe Your dreams are about You, Mine are mostly about others. I mostly am a spectator or participant of regular events like fireworks, concerts and parties. I only had a few lucid dream that were about me. Well, it was about others but I was the hero. <!--QuoteBegin-Nerte@ I never felt like outsider in my dream. I am the one that is story about. And everybody (I think) got mostly dreams like that so... If other DC are real people treir dreams must be very boring and without being main character. Just because you are not the centre of interest in the dream does not really make you an outsider. It can be fun to be a spectator, especially if the dream is not about something that is of interest to you. <!--QuoteBegin-Distant Clone Well, you have to define "real". Other than that, I think most DCs are one's imagination, although I do think it's possible to for two or more to share the same dream environment. * … I'm not sure when, but I began talking with him, and at one point asked "so that means I'm dreaming, right"? He looked like he was deciding between two options when he finally exclaimed "Yep"! I said "Alright! High five!" and he put his hand up just like me. Unfortunately, right as I was about to hit his hand, I felt an incredibly high vibration. As soon as I touched him, I got bounced right out of the dream. Hahaha, He kicked you out! Why? Could it be that he did not want you to be more lucid than him and ruin his dream? Like I said before, I think it is POSSIBLE that SOME dreams MAY contain real people providing the intellectual capacities for SOME DCs. My guess is that if you never had this experience, it might be because 1) Your dreams suck to other people so why would they join in so now you dream alone. 2) You’ve banished the thought from your head so now you dream alone or with others who would never tell you they are real. 3) Your dreams are always about you you you. Why would anyone want to play with you if you win all the time. Anyway, I don’t want to push the subject too much. If you’d think all dreams are shared then you’d get pissed off at someone in real life about something he/she did in your dream. I don’t want to go there. If I believed that all dreams are me and only me then that makes for a pretty grim outlook. I mean the assumption that they are not real at all opens up some pretty nasty possibilities. I could become a monster if there was no doubts. Can you imagine if I started killing everyone in my dreams as in a video game? I don’t want to go there either. So, I am pretty comfortable with the thought that sometimes I may be dealing with real people and sometimes not. That fine line is enough for me to maintain my humanity in my dreams and my life.

[Distant Clone]

@icuurd: No, I think it was more a mechanical thing. Earlier, I had a previous "dream", which I would label an OBE, but for argument's sake, we can call it a dream. I was out of control and going away from the earth. Soon, I saw the boundary of another village that was "further in" radially speaking. However, as I got close to this, I felt the same high vibration, and again got bounced all the way back to my dream. I actually felt the displacement too, it was weird. Further, I think this monk person had actually passed on, and was living in the "dream world". He belonged there more than me, I just think his extra high vibrations "overloaded" me and sent me flying back to earth. I'm going to ignore about everything you said to me since it's not really relevant. Last night had an interesting dream in it. That's just the basic description.

[arne saknussemm]

They are not people.

[Nikolaa]

Originally posted by arne saknussemm They are not people. yea

[icuurd12b42]

Originally posted by Distant Clone Further, I think this monk person had actually passed on, and was living in the "dream world". He belonged there more than me, I just think his extra high vibrations "overloaded" me and sent me flying back to earth. I’ll reiterate the obvious for such a construct. It would make sense to get kicked out of a dream where dead people live on (if they do live on in a dream). I mean, can you imagine the damage you could cause Originally posted by Distant Clone I'm going to ignore about everything you said to me since it's not really relevant. Actually, only the Hahaha line was meant for you. The rest was for everyone. To arne and Nikola. Man I hope the One who dreamt you up doesn’t feel the same about you. Anyway, I think this construct would be difficult to prove as it seems many people dream many different things in various ways. It all falls down to getting the information and making up your own mind on the subject, as it is for everything you’ll ever experience.

[FluBB]

heres another strange question.... if you think that at least some people are real in the dream world..... then do you think out enemies in real life take on images of the monsters or the bad things that haunt us in our dreams..... i be honest i have never chased someone or anything like that in a dream i dont think. tell me what you think..... so far i can tell that most of us believe that some of the times characters in the dream could be real people, if there was some way to check..... obviously email and stuff doesnt really work that well....

[icuurd12b42]

Originally posted by FluBB+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FluBB)</div> heres another strange question.... if you think that at least some people are real in the dream world..... then do you think out enemies in real life take on images of the monsters or the bad things that haunt us in our dreams..... i be honest i have never chased someone or anything like that in a dream i dont think. tell me what you think..... [/b] I think that if someone were to share a dream with you, your perception of that person could be different than in real life. If you think someone is a big meanie then you could perceive that person as something totally frightful in the dream. Although you could simply have an encounter with a frightful entity based on your perception of that person without it being a real person. A character totally ID driven. <!--QuoteBegin-FluBB so far i can tell that most of us believe that some of the times characters in the dream could be real people, if there was some way to check..... obviously email and stuff doesnt really work that well.... It would be difficult to test. My theory is that there would be different levels of connectivity ranged from no connection to loosely coupled to identical. No connection: You dream your dream, I dream mine all characters are ID Driven. Loosely coupled: You dream your dream, I dream mine, our delusions bleed on each other though the dream seems like a non connected dream as my delusion are perceived as something totally different by you. We could meet and have a conversation but you would only hear your interpretation of my words. I’d look like a DC to you (Though he would use my intellect to answer your questions). You’d be in a house and I’d be in a hotel, I’d be in the house with you, you’d be in the hotel with me. Our intellect would meet but in different ways. Tightly coupled: We share common gathering places that look identical, save that you might see an object as being one colour and I’d see the object in a different colour or slightly differently. Same object type but different characteristics, I see a babe, you see a cow (no offence). Conversations would be shared in less diluted fashion but still differently enough for misunderstandings. When we leave the common area, we’d become loosely coupled. The common area could be a bar. Yours is in Washington, mine in New York. Inside, all is mostly similar, outside it is different. Identical: We share the same dream, we experience the same information with no “filter“ between us. Some minor details could differ but they would be irrelevant. Note: I don’t think it is required that both people sleep and dream at the same time to share a dream. And that’s not taking into account the Lucidity Level we might be at.

[PenguinLord13]

I've thought about it, and while I believe they sometimes are, I certainly hope I don't run into any in a Lucid, and end up doing something to them they wouldn't want, as that would be terrible to do something terrible to a real person in the dream and give them a nightmare.

[the real pieman]

that could be true but remember this, if dcs are real people then when we are not lucid are we also dcs in other peoples minds...

[mindule]

I believe something previously proposed in another topic, as well as something my friend says she has experienced: There is a great plane of existence where all dreams are located. I believe that it's possible to traverse this plane, exit your own dream, and enter other peoples dreams. I think that shared dreams are naturally very rare, but can be artificially created by entering someone else's dream. I have no proof, of course, since I've never been able to exit my own dream or stay lucid long enough to exit it.