Skeptical about OBE, proof?

[Gnarus]

Hi there, a little newbie post...so about those OBE, I can't say I don't believe but I can't say I believe yet either. The concept intrigues me and maybe I’ll get into trying it after I’ve learned enough about it and after I mastered the LD. But for the moment, I’m a little sceptical about it. Let’s say that it is possible, would anyone of you please be so kind and come to me at a specific lapse of time and tell me what I’m doing with one, at least one, specific detail about the situation? Of course I would give very specific details on how to find me and what I look like. Would this be too much to ask? I'm also open by emal if necessary. Thx

[dragonoverlord]

hmm sounds interesting i cant help you there but keep us posted on how the "expermiment goes. ID like to see some proof of obes im a bit skeptical

[Gnarus]

Will do, but nothing so far

[pj]

Here's a simple test for you. Take a deck of cards, shuffle them well, select one without looking at it and lay it face up in a high place where you cannot see it without climbing up and looking at it. When you think you are really OB, go look at that card. Later, when you wake up, go find out if you are right. I've done this repeatedly, and it has never proved out... though many of my WILD experiences have all the hallmarks of an OBE otherwise.

[Universal Mind]

Here's a simple test for you. Take a deck of cards, shuffle them well, select one without looking at it and lay it face up in a high place where you cannot see it without climbing up and looking at it. When you think you are really OB, go look at that card. Later, when you wake up, go find out if you are right. I've done this repeatedly, and it has never proved out... though many of my WILD experiences have all the hallmarks of an OBE otherwise. A lot of people claim to have successfully done things like that. I think it would prove that one of two things is real-- soul travel or psychic ability. Neither one has ever been proven under strict lab conditions, but I think there might be something to ESP. We evolved into beings with five forms of perception. It is plausible that a sixth one is evolving. Soul travel is harder to swallow. I have had OBE's that seemed like lucid dreams and lots and lots of lucid dreams where I left my body in the dream and experienced the sensations people typically describe. I think wake induced OBE's are WILD's.

[Gnarus]

I just thought that having someone visit me via OBE would be helpful, open my mind to possibilities. In the mean time, I’ll put a card up there somewhere first thing tonight ...Although I’ve never had an OBE and so very few LDs, I’m always trying though. Thanks for the tip!

[durza2016]

theres accounts when people would be operated on and they would be unconiuos. They would wake up and say that they were looking at there body. Then they would tell the docter everything he had done to them and the would know which order he didi it in, what he did, and stuff that the pateint should not know about the procedure (like converations) So yeah i do belive that obe's are true.

[wasup]

With the card thing, its possible your brain actually remembers the order of the cards (you looked at the whole deck and shuffled it, your brain subconciously knows). Check out people like Darren Brown, and other people. People who count cards can do this (know where any card is in the deck at any point in time). So either everyone has the latent ability to do this, or you have somewhat of an ability unconciously (your concious mind has a much worse memorization power, I suppose) and this kind of debunks the whole card guessing theory.

[LucidFlanders]

A lot of people claim to have successfully done things like that. I think it would prove that one of two things is real-- soul travel or psychic ability. Neither one has ever been proven under strict lab conditions, but I think there might be something to ESP. We evolved into beings with five forms of perception. It is plausible that a sixth one is evolving. Soul travel is harder to swallow. I have had OBE's that seemed like lucid dreams and lots and lots of lucid dreams where I left my body in the dream and experienced the sensations people typically describe. I think wake induced OBE's are WILD's. Of course it will be some type of NEW psychic ability. Todays psychics cannot travel out of their body to places and see things they should not, only see things they should not in images. This would have to be phase 2 of psychics.

[Universal Mind]

Of course it will be some type of NEW psychic ability. Todays psychics cannot travel out of their body to places and see things they should not, only see things they should not in images. This would have to be phase 2 of psychics. Maybe today's psychics have a whole new door to open if they use lucid dreams to explore reality. (?)

[durza2016]

Hey guys isn't this called astral projection.

[Wavefunction]

durza - aren't OBE's and astral projection the same thing?

[Gnarus]

According to the acronym list. An AP is The act of separating the astral body (spirit or consciousness) from the physical body and its journey into the universe. Astral Projection is the intentional act of having the spirit leave the body, whereas an out-of-body experience happens involuntarily (such as while dreaming, or in a near-death experience)., using a combination of methods to enter a dream state, already lucid. I think an OBE is what happened to me in my first LD, I felt like I was being pulled out and it scared me. It barely lasted 5 seconds, when I woke up, my heart was pounding like crazy. Has for the card thing, I had my GF shuffle the deck while I wasn't looking. She took one card and told me where it is. The card will be there a long time

[Rainman]

There are about 8 different types of OBE. The card thing only works in two of 8 ways. That's callled a validation, and it's completely unreliable even if you do see the card, unless you projected ethericly or in real-time. Read the "OBE vs WILD debate" thread on this board.