Spirit escaped and i couldn't breath

[Riot Maker]

Well last night I woke up and I was trying to go back to sleep. I was having a hard time because there is allot of construction going on around my house and all the sounds keep my awake allot, this was a round 7 am. I rolled over onto my back so I was facing the ceiling. After about 5 minutes I was starting to loose consciousness but I regain it and I could see a man like figure floating up over me. It looked like me but the figure was in black and blue. I called out to him in my head I said "get back into my body." Right after I said that, this "thing" rushed toward me and literally went back into my body. After he or it went back into my body my air passages tighten and it was extremely hard to breathe. It also felt like I had gum in my mouth for some reason. So after my air passages closed enough that I couldn't breathe I just shock out of it. Literally shaking my body to get me out of what was happening. Any clues onto what this is. I am perrty sure it wasn't sleep paralysis because I could still move without trouble. Was this an OBE but I was still in my regular body?

[Angelmouse]

You should be very careful of telling a form to go into your body if you're not sure that it belongs to you in the first place. I don't think you were oobing, I think you were seeing onto the astral. Do you know anyone in RL that can OOB? I'd be talking to them if I were you. I'd also work on my relaxation and breathing techniques; it may be that you've gotten lax with them so you weren't able to control them as much as you used to. Just my thoughts. And if you were wondering I've been LDing all my life and have had 4 out of body experiences. Hope this helps. X

[Riot Maker]

That does help a bit, you kinda got me scared though when you said "You should be very careful of telling a form to go into your body if you're not sure that it belongs to you in the first place." If i was in the astral plane like you propossed would anything be capable of comming into me like that at will?

[LucidFlanders]

Sounds like a dream to me, also you cannot see your spirit leave your body aslong as you're still aware in your physical body

[Riot Maker]

im perrty sure it wasn't a dream because the construction going on and other "familiar" noises that i hear everyday at around that time. but if you are right it would solve things.

[saxonharp]

Riot Maker, There are a couple of "scientific" reasons for what you experienced. Hypnogogia is one. That's a half-lucid, half-dreaming state that sometimes falls over people on the verge of full sleep. It usually involves hallucinations and is often, though not always, accompanied by Sleep Paralysis. It can have very similar effects to what you are describing and has been thought to be the foundation of several paranormal/spiritual experiences such as Out of Body Experiences (OBEs), Astral Projection (AP), and even visions of a Spiritual nature. However, now that I've thrown that out there, let me say I think that scientific explanations are simply a way for people to feel in control of the world around them and what they experience. I believe that the Dreamtime is a state that is a "between place" between our realm of normal existance and the Spirit World. I believe that in that state, the veil bewtween those worlds is very thin and that it is not only possible but common to move back and forth. Along those same lines, it's easier for Spirits (call it whatever you want; Angels, Light Beings, Spirit Guides, Ancestors, Totems - and their antithesis) to come to you. I agree wholeheartedly with Angelmouse in that you should be very careful in that state as to what you invite into yourself. I'm not a big fan of posession, but I do not discount it either. In this case, I would think that your Spirit Guides would protect you (even if you don't believe in them they believe in you) from something undeserved or malicious. However, now you've been warned and you now have responsibility for your own actions. I wouldn't be so careless next time.

[Riot Maker]

Thanks Saxonharp that was a great and informative post. Hypnogogia seems like a resonable possiblity. You guys are scaring me though with this possesion talk. I do belive from past experinces in spirit guides so hopefully mine protected me. Have you ever experinced something similiar to this? and if you have what happend after?

[saxonharp]

You guys are scaring me though with this possesion talk. I do belive from past experinces in spirit guides so hopefully mine protected me. Have you ever experinced something similiar to this? and if you have what happend after? Fear is pointless and detrimental. Awareness is critical. If you have indeed invited a negative energy (and nothing you described causes me to suspect that this was negative in any way) AND your Spirit Guides took the day off <scoff>, AND the negative entity/energy has managed to stay around (which is just as hard for them to do as it is for us to remain lucid in dreams or to maintain an OBE or AP for extended periods), THEN concern may be warranted, but not fear. If you are aware of yourself, you will know if there is negative energy engaging you. You will fill sick, or overly tired, or sad, or feel depressed and will have no other explanation for it. Alternatively, you may find it very hard to focus on things you once had no trouble focusing on or may find yourself entranced for extended periods by things like running water, passing airplanes, or simply feel like you are "out of it" (more than normal if you're a slight space case like me ) If you find yourself in this position, I would reccommend reaching out to a Holy Person (your choice of flavor) to help you rid yourself of that energy/entitiy. Mediums, Light Workers, Shamans, and Catholic Priests (only if you happen to be Catholic - the rest generally don't care about your personal belief system) would be my reccomendation. But to answer your first question, no, I've never experienced that myself. I only know people who have or who have had dealings with the type of thing I've described. Lastly, and understand this is highly unlikely in the Western World, there are individuals - human individuals - who could do what you described. For any number of reasons, most of which I doubt you would believe so I won't go into them, a Sorcerer (and no I'm not talking about some Gandalf- Dungeons and Dragons type but rather an accomplished practitioner of Spiritual Arts dedicated not to the benefit of the people, but rather the gathering of Power for personal use and purposes) may seek out the spiritual essences of unaware "victims". Either way, the physical symptoms would be the same and either way, the remedy would be the same: Find someone more powerful and practiced in those arts and perform a "Soul Retrieval" or, in the case of the Catholic Priest an Exorcist. Personally, I think you're fine. I sincerely doubt that you are in any danger or at any risk. Practice communicating with your Spirit Guides and seeking their aid and protection. If you keep that up and get good enough at it (which isn't that hard if you are truly dedicated to the practice) you can simply ask them "WTF??" I promise you they'll tell you. Peace and Blessings, Mato Kinze

[Riot Maker]

Hey saxonharp you seem most knowledgeable on this topic and thanks for your insight. Yeah im with you, I highly doubt i have been possessed or anything of that nature because im not experincing any of the aforementioned symptoms that you layed out. I found it intriguing when you said that this is highly unlikely in the western world and i want to learn more about it. If this does happen again i would really like to carry out with it because i have always wanted to have an OBE or Astral Project. My question is how do I Transfer from the state that I experiencing to a full blown OBE or Astral Projection?

[LucidFlanders]

Thanks Saxonharp that was a great and informative post. Hypnogogia seems like a resonable possiblity. You guys are scaring me though with this possesion talk. I do belive from past experinces in spirit guides so hopefully mine protected me. Have you ever experinced something similiar to this? and if you have what happend after? I don't believe in posession, how would a 2nd spirit fit into a body when your spirit(assuming we have 1) already exists in your body. Would mean we can have more then 1 at the same time meaning you and it can fight for controll. You're only posessed if you cannot fight for controll, it would not be a spirit coming into your body and taking controll right away.

[Riot Maker]

I don't believe in posession, how would a 2nd spirit fit into a body when your spirit(assuming we have 1) already exists in your body. Would mean we can have more then 1 at the same time meaning you and it can fight for controll. You're only posessed if you cannot fight for controll, it would not be a spirit coming into your body and taking controll right away. Im perrty new to all of this spirit talk and you sound like you know your shit. I do have 1 question though, what about speaking in diffrent tounges? wouldn't the spirit have to co-inside with your body in order to control your thoughts?

[saxonharp]

I don't believe in posession, how would a 2nd spirit fit into a body when your spirit(assuming we have 1) already exists in your body. Once I was at the beach with my family. My wife and I were having a wonderful time just relaxing and basking in the sun with the sounds of the waves lapping against the shore and the gulls calling in the air above.... and our six year-old daughter going, "Daddy....daddy....daddy..." I love my daughter dearly, but at that moment, all I wanted was a little time for myself and my wife. So... thinking quickly, I grabbed a plastic mesh bag that had contained several sand castle molds we had bought for her to play with (the molds lay unused next to us and were obviously completely uninteresting to my daughter) and feeling rather proud of myself for my cleverness handed her the mesh bag and told her to go fill it with sand and bring it back to me when she was done. Smugly I thought to myself, "That aught to keep her busy - for a little while at least." And so I settled back down on the towel I was laying on and closed my eyes, ready to resume my basking. Imagine my surprise then, when not more than three minutes later, my daughter comes and drops what must have been fifteen pounds of sand on my chest...still inside the mesh bag! She had gone to the water's edge where the sand was wet and used the shovel to put it in the bag. The increased surface tension of the wet sand kept it from slipping through the mesh. So what's the point of this story? And how the hell does it fit in with posession? Our souls are like sand in a mesh bag. From the moment we're born we are constantly packing it in and it is constantly slipping away. The more we nuture it, the "wetter" it is and the stronger it remains in our body. The more we ignore it, the dryer it becomes and the more it slips away. Soul loss happens when the sand slips away and is not replaced. This happens most often from great trauma - either physical or emotional. But also just happens over time. It's why we become sick and eventually die. Great Spiritual leaders throughout history have often been extremly long-lived. It's because they retain and replenish their spirit faster than it leaves their body. Posession happens when something other than the sand we are intended to have replaces the sand we are supposed to have. At that point, our bodies are merely the mesh bag and the contents become someone/something else. The good thing about this is that the "sand" is still around. It just needs someone to help us replace the stuff that's in there with the stuff we're supposed to have. Every culture throughout time has had rituals for exactly this purpose, and people to help perform them. Of coure, this is simply my opinion. You may believe whatever you like. Aho Mitaque Oyasin, Mato Kinze

[Riot Maker]

So our body is just a cpasul for our soul? and if our sould leaves our body, our body can harbour another non-exsistant soul but comes to our reality through our body/capsul? Am i on the right track to understanding this? BTW, I love your posts.

[saxonharp]

I do have 1 question though, what about speaking in diffrent tounges? wouldn't the spirit have to co-inside with your body in order to control your thoughts? Language is a cumbersome artifact of Tonal (physical world) living. It is not in any way necessary to communicate - especially on a spiritual level. Have you ever been in a situation where you "just knew" something? No one "told" you, no one spoke a word, and yet you had knowledge. This is imparted by your Spirit Guides - and you didn't even know it. Also, the spoken word is only 15% of communication even when we ARE talking. Body language, tones, gestures - all communicate more than words. As for Speaking in Tongues, I can't comment on that as I have no personal experience with it. Those who do, however, have told me that it results from an emmense influx of Spirit which then uses the worshiper's body to speak the original language of Heaven and Earth. Can't say as I buy into that one, but who am I to judge?

[saxonharp]

So our body is just a cpasul for our soul? and if our sould leaves our body, our body can harbour another non-exsistant soul but comes to our reality through our body/capsul? Am i on the right track to understanding this? BTW, I love your posts. Our bodies are capsuls for our souls the same way in which a sponge is just a capsul for water. It's not just a cover; our spirit actually permeates every part of our physical body. That's why trauma can lead to soul loss. Take for example someone who loses a hand in an accident. That part of your spirit has also been severed from you just as surely as the hand itself. And be careful with your words... no soul is "non-existant". It may have been incorporeal, but it was/is very "existant". And it was never "out of reality" it just probably wasn't being perceived. It's like the whole, "If a tree falls in the forest..." argument. If you don't perceive something, a spiritual entity for example, does it cease to exist? There have been whole other posts on this forum about THAT one.

[LucidFlanders]

Im perrty new to all of this spirit talk and you sound like you know your shit. I do have 1 question though, what about speaking in diffrent tounges? wouldn't the spirit have to co-inside with your body in order to control your thoughts? Naw, nobody really knows. It's all based on opinion like anything. But again, my opinion, i don't believe in how they controll your thoughts.

[Riot Maker]

Saxonharp i will try to be more careful with my words ahaha sorry if i said a soul was non-existant. Another question i have (and hopefully i am wording this right), When do you shift perception from our realm to the spirit realm?

[saxonharp]

Saxonharp i will try to be more careful with my words ahaha sorry if i said a soul was non-existant. Another question i have (and hopefully i am wording this right), When do you shift perception from our realm to the spirit realm? Sorry. Didn't mean to criticize. It's not so much when as how. When is "whenever you're ready to do so." How is the real question isn't it? I know how I do it, and I've heard lots of other people describe how they do it. It seems pretty individual. I can give you some pointers or at least the process I went through. It may work for you - it may not. PM me if you want more. Mitaque Oyasin, Mato Kinze

[Angelmouse]

Blimey I should check in more regularly. There are so many philosophies on this forum alone that this discussion could go on forever. I'm really sorry I freaked you out mate, I didn't mean to. What Saxonharp has been saying is really interesting and it illustrates beautifully how diverse our beliefs can be when contrastd with some of the other responses. What my own philosophy runs on is Energy; it permeates everything and can transmute through anything if the knowledge is possessed. When I say be careful about inviting something into you when you're not sure what it is; it's the same thing that I would say to someone who was handed a hand rolled cigarette at a party. If you're not sure then it's probably best left alone. As far as your wanting to travel on the Astral; which is fair enough I can't say that I don't want to visit again sometime; I recommend you do a bit of research into meditative protection if you haven't already, and also grounding techniques. These just help to make you feel secure when you get out there and help to ensure that you keep your own energy field cohesive. I would totally recommend attempting some kind of interaction with your Dream Guide. You might find that you've already met. Anyway. Those are just my thoughts and you're probably thinking who the hell is this person so... Enjoy.

[paulahandlon]

OMG, I use to have those type of situtations. I finally had it one night and of course it took many tries but I kept telling spirit to leave me alone. In time it did. It was a scary thing. I no longer have them.