lol! DCs must like it when we are not lucid! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Phantasos
:shock: I've discovered why the human culture has forgoten about LD! It's all the DCs fault. They have set a plan to vanish LD that way they have control over the dreamer and not the oposite! :shock:
"But if you wake up but I don't. You still woke up in my world."Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough
In my opinion, yes and no. What I believe is in my world, if I wake up, I wake up in my world, if you wake up in my world, then that means your world and mine still overlap and interact. However, if I wake up in my world, and you don't wake up, that marks the end of our world's interactions, and as such we will no longer share experiances in this shared reality. Instead you will move on in your world, seperate from mine. the same works in vice versa as well.
Everything of what you said is all true, every action and reaction between us is a result of our realities interacting with eachother. Of course, this is all just speculation, but it is what I believe.
the real funny thing is, every time i dream, and I say out loud, "I'm dreaming" my DCs all look at me like I'm crazy, and the resulting embarrassment causes me to lose my lucidity >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantasos
Still just stating my opinion, I don't get why people try to find such a complicated answer to such simple thing. We all live in the same world in which every little things has an effect on everything else (Buterfly Effect) Why believe that we are all in seperate worlds glued to eachother? And why are all our worlds the exact same? I think it just means that we live in the same world. However I don't want to make a war on this. This is just my opinion, thus it isn't worth a lot... :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Venomized Victim
I think you're right about the overlap. We have common experiences that keep our world coherent because they are the same for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venomized Victim
But I also think our current reality is something we have learned to create. Like a radio, we all agree to operate on the same frequency. There are some variations from group to group, but overall we are all in the same general wavelength. But we need contact with other people to "tune" our reality and keep it on the right frequency. That's likely why solitary confinement is so horrible. With out other people's reality to hold yours up to, it begins to shift into a different reality. Scary stuff if you don't know what's happening. People go crazy that way.
I can't speak for others, but myself, I once had a very bad trip on shrooms, and it's extremely difficult to explain what I saw, but what I saw, and what my mind was able to understand, I find a complicated answer because life itself is far too complicated for the simple human mind to understand. Thus with the very foundation of life itself too complicated to understand, makes explaining what you DO understand of it even more difficult. Most people come up with simple solutions because it hurts our minds to strain too hard to understand every complication. We aren't meant to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough
Well, yes of course, I was also explaining my theory on the seperation of our similar frequencies that we come to know as death. in otherwords, when it comes to that time in your life when you "change the station"Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
You're missing my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
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How can we say that life/dream is somehow deficient in truth/being/reality when we have nothing else by which to compare it? When there is a distinction between life and dream, there we may draw judgment as to the nearness or distance of each respectively from reality, but by congealing the two it would seem that we are left stranded without reference point or right to call life "unreal". Unreal or less real compared to what?
I don't think I'd be going out on a limb if I were to say that one possible motivation for a person's thinking that (or hoping that) life is unreal is the desire that it not be real, the desire that life be something lesser than it is and by extension that there be something greater than this life. Evasion of reality by way of calling it unreality.
Michael J. Motta - 1/3/2007
Calling life a dream is a cop out imo.
How can we say that life/dream is somehow deficient in truth/being/reality when we have nothing else by which to compare it?
But we do have something to compare it to. Dreams. Can you really say you understand what dreams are and how they work? Once you've learned to reliably control your dreams, and I mean really control them, then you can say for sure wether or not life is a dream.
I don't think I'd be going out on a limb if I were to say that one possible motivation for a person's thinking that (or hoping that) life is unreal is the desire that it not be real, the desire that life be something lesser than it is and by extension that there be something greater than this life. Evasion of reality by way of calling it unreality.
I'm not trying to make reality more or less than it is, I'm talking about the thing that allows it to do so.
And when the line between waking life and dream disappears? When dream becomes as real as waking life and even further, what then?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
Am I the butterfly dreaming I am a boy, or am I the boy dreaming I am a butterfly?
Only one constant - I am the dreamer. Even for a false dream, a real dreamer is needed.
Then things start to get weird. I had a "lucid" last week where I didn't realize I was dreaming, I thought the dream was reality, but I recognized that reality as a dream. I still had the exact same lucid control, but I didn't know I was dreaming, sort of.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClouD
The main difference was that I didn't know there was something to wake up to, so I couldn't even of conceived of waking myself up to this reality. Which is not much different from my regular waking circumstances.
well as far as quantum physics is concerned, the building blocks of matter is consciousness. Every piece of matter is made of light energy. Consciousness is energy, consciousness is thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeyjoy
Thoughts manifest into physical things. This reality we live in now, or illusion if you want to call it that is the way is is as a result of humans thinking and subconscious beliefs.
You should think of the mind as a transmitter and receiver of thought waves. Yes, thoughts are waves. And we all share these thoughts on an unconscious level.
The reason why we see what we see, is because we believe it to be there. Its not that you believe what you see, its that you see what you believe.
Google particle/wave duality. Actually here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality
Matter exists both as particles and waves. When its not being observed its in wave form...energy form. Being at all possible places. When it is being observed its given a speed and/or position based on the expectations/beliefs of the observer. So you basically make something appear just by believing something will be there AT THE QUANTUM LEVEL. I dont know how it goes for the macro scale
What I'm about to say is based on what i just said about particle wave duality.
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We're in one big energy field right now. This material world is not really solid. Everything is vibrating, everything you perceive is vibrating. And your mind is in vibrational tune with everything you perceive. Such as the things you see, hear, touch, smell, etc.
And its vibrating within a certain frequency range. This frequency range is our existence. These reason we can't perceive anything higher than this range, is because our awareness isn't tuned to that frequency.
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As for the astral plane being another plane of existence. Its in a higher frequency range, that is if its real. And its not an actual place, its more like a state of mind. This existence is based on emotions, so I've read. In this state of mind, or state of existence/awareness/consciousness or whatever you want to call it, is in purer former of energy.
All things are vibrations, whether light or sound, so the physical realm is just different vibrations (coarser) then the astral.
Science has just discovered that emotions and feelings change DNA. I'll post a link if you want to. I stated this because that's proof how feelings/thoughts/emotions affect the physical realm where we live now.
The astral realm is also known as the "emotional" realm because it reacts to our thoughts. That's why something appears by just thinking it. Also in this realm, you exist as PURE ENERGY, and pure energy is a state that does not exist within a certain time or place(space). Time and space are illusions created by man on the physical realm. WHy do i say or think this? Because in lucid dreams digital clocks go haywire, there is no way to measure time within a dream, because maybe your in energy form. Or another example, when you approach the speed of light, time stops moving. When your in pure energy form ( light form ) there is no time.
Its a little bit harder for me to go deeper than this lol. Im not a scientist i just do a fair bit of reading.
You may be saying im jumping to conclusions, maybe i am but its because they still can't figure out the measurement problem.
Feel free to add to this or ask questions or maybe correct me if Im wrong on certain parts.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYyFmllA29M
"Similar thoughts attract one another and form structures. People who are involved in creative mental tasks experienced this constantly. When they work with related thoughts and ideas, these thoughts begin to form themselves into hierarchies and patterns. Thoughts that we fear are no different; they create mental landscapes of what we fear the most within our own minds."
Also, take a look at this. I found this very interesting.
http://www.nderf.org/beyond_light_pmh.htm
Absolutely. If you pay very close attention, it becomes apparent that the thinker (me) is really just another thought, so in that sense, we really are the imagination of ourselves.
I'd like to see a link to that please.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD
Yeah me too, but I think he meant water molecules instead of DNA.
If we are imaginations of ourselves. Who is imaging us to be?
If you're saying reality is a dream don't you think we would of woken up by now?
Are you saying that dreaming is reality?
If so, then my theory of "If you believe it to be, then it becomes" is true.
But I Dissagree with the pain thing. I think that happens because you know it's going to hurt so it hurts. Not because of the pain being there. How do you think people walk on hot coals? O.o, I think you can totally forget pain and ignore it and it wont be there.
http://www.in-vision.us/DNA_and_emotions.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
http://twm.co.nz/DNAPhantom.htm
It affect water molecules too, aren't we made up of 75% water.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...re-cancer.aspx
Cool very interesting links, thanks for posting! First time I've heard of that dna phantom effect.
On this page someone writes:
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Hi Karen,
I have personally talked to Dr. Vladimir Poponin who told me that the DNA phantom effect is not the result of a new, unknown field (subtle energy) but the result of background noise. The laser correlation spectroscopy experiment does NOT demonstrate a new field generated by DNA.
Very very interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reality is the opposite of illusion!
Reality= what is
Illusion= what we think ABOUT reality.
If this is a dream, who is dreaming? Does it matter? Call it your higher self, call it God, call it whatever, it is only consciousness. Consciousness is consciousness, everything else is what we THINK about it. Who are you? Who am I? Consciousness. What is that tree outside my window? Consciousness! Who is revving that motorcycle a block away? Consciousness. Who is typing this? Consciousness. Who is reading it? Consciousness.
Don't try to figure it all out. Then you will be thinking ABOUT reality instead of KNOWING reality. You will be caught in the spider-web of mind/ego. Life is a mystery to be lived, not a puzzle to be solved.
If we are all dreams, is there one dreamer?
Like others that posted here, I also had a dream where I became lucid and told the DCs "Hey, I'm dreaming! This is a dream!!!" And the DCs looked at me like I was crazy! I WAS crazy, from their point of view. But I insisted: "This is a dream!" I wasn't completely lucid because I thought that THEY were real people who were also dreaming and that they could become lucid also. I didn't realize that it was up to ME if they became lucid or not.
Some of the DCs were spiritual seekers and they said things like "Wow! I always thought that life wasn't real!" But I knew that they didn't get it.
"This is not some philosophy here. This is reality! Really, this is a dream. Right now!"
Anyway, some DCs thought that I was crazy, and some thought I was a Guru. But nobody understood.
I thought that this was a funny metaphor to enlightenment and the plight of the Guru.
the experiencer is just another aspect of the experience
Wasn't sure weather I should repost this here or not. It's not stirring up any discussion in the dream control sections, so I'll post the link to it here. Basically dream control techniques I learned from RL magic, since life is a dream.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...&postcount=282
I don't think that what we're living is an illusion.
This really sucks, but I honestly don't know what to add to that =/
I guess I don't think that we as humans have the power to "change/create physical worlds" or anything, but are limited to making major changes like that inside of our own bodies (thus, we're able to do all sorts of things while lucid dreaming), if that makes sense. I think that any kind of abilities like reality manipulation or whatever you're specifically talking about would be too great for our bodies to handle.
But then again who knows? On the other hand I guess if you believed in God and everything that comes with that you could say that this reality that we're living isn't a permanent reality....o_0
good post =D There should be some really interesting replies...
By the way, SleepyCookieDough I love your avatar!
Actually, it is rather interesting that most of people here tell that "dreams are just dreams" and believe in God at the same time without second thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Higurashi