@ the cusp - yo cusp 2 questions. - 1. do you think our physical appearence is a product of our thoughts ? 2. do you think that in the real life dream some people are real (soul/dreamer) and some people are fake (dream charechter) ?
@ the cusp - yo cusp 2 questions. - 1. do you think our physical appearence is a product of our thoughts ? 2. do you think that in the real life dream some people are real (soul/dreamer) and some people are fake (dream charechter) ?
This is not true. No matter how fast you are going, light will still appear to be travelling at 300,000 m/s in relation to you. The only reason you were limited in your dream was because you thought you would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
Was the site here before I joined?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
It must not have been, as I was not aware of it.
Can you prove me wrong?
Actually, I thought I could keep going faster indefinately. My goal was to go faster than light. So you're saying if I move away from you at the speed of light, I'll still be able to see you? I don't think so. Everything blurs together until you can't distinguish one thing from another. With nothing to more relative to, no movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
From your perspective, it didn't exist until you were aware of it. Now take that example and apply it to something like UFOs, and things suddenly aren't so clear cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingOfTwilight
1. Some DCs would have to be real people. Assuming shared dreaming is possible, then it should be something people do naturally from time to time, even if it's a fluke. Honestly, I've only encountered a couple that proved immune to my control techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by fairytale complex
2. That's a good question, especially considering how mean I am to my DCs. The difference between lucid and not is that you believe what's going on around you is real when not lucid. In my opinion, that makes the majority of RL people mindless DCs, which could go a long way to explaining why I generally don't like people.
There is no difference between how we go along with dreams and how we go along with RL.
That e=mc^2 analogy was just pure rubbish lol and it's evident you don't actually understand the theory properly but I think most people know that. Anyways, I don't think it's an illusion. I have a pretty good framework in physics/quantum mechanics but I don't think I want to mention that for this argument. Personally, I don't think it's an illusion. Our perceptual organs all adapted to allow what works best in the environment we evolved in which is why we see what we see and do what we do to survive. Even if there are "other layers of reality", universes (ie. M theory), metaphysical planes, or whatever ideas people believe, I still don't consider it an illusion. We just wouldn't need to see those layers to survive and thus wouldn't have evolved percepts to see them since they don't interact with the organism at any observable level.
There are things that distinguish even the most realistic dreams from reality and when there are not it is usually our being so immersed into the dream that we fail to recognize them. Regardless, our brain is still functioning during dreams, psychedelics, or anything else that alter our consciousness and stimulation of certain brain regions with electrodes, animal lesion studies, and brain damage patients show us that alot of hallucinations and things that could lead us to thinking like that can even be stimulated in the laboratory. It just seems like all this stuff is rooted in our brain and I think neuropsychologybiology can explain all of our doubts in the long run. Although, I guess you could argue that although killing yourself would disconnect you from your body and brain and thus likely end this reality, it could just be an "illusion" and we could pass our consciousness to another level or something. The reason I don't think this is correct is because there are loads of other similar possibilities that are easy to come up with that could also work instead.
Wow man thats like amazing i have been thinking alot like that lately to and this just opened my mind up even more well in more directions =]Quote:
Originally Posted by Venomized Victim
how strange. Your view on alternate realities and existence are almost word for word identical with my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venomized Victim
You must be a very interesting person.
In response to the question,
I think it's possible, but in my case unlikely. I live as if this is all real, because even if it isn't, the fact that I am currently experiencing can't be disproved within the self. So I'm not concerned about the consequences of reality being an illusion.
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Quantum physics is an interesting topic... but it does not exactly relate to reality being an illusion. Quantum physics would say, "look around you, this is the most probable existence".
But my question is - do the most probable outcomes dictate which time line we follow, meaning either little or no free will, depending on how far each possible outcome can deviate from the most probable one?
Speaking of quantum voodoo, here's a vid Oneironaut posted elsewhere. Physicists agree, reality is an illusion. I recognize that one guy the end from a Tool album.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x65...-does-not_tech
Maybe the dream state is just the expression of our duality. We have the waking particle world, while the dream state is all about waveform probabilities. We practice operating in each mode of existence.
While in waking world where wave forms have collapsed in to solid matter, it difficult to conceive how it couldn't be real. But that solid matter comes from a wave form first, and the control learned in the waveform realms of sleep would still be valid in the waking world. Just like we can make things solid and real in dream. Both modes of operation apply equally well to either reality.
Reality can only be an illusion if your old concept of reality was false compared to your new concept of reality. Even if reality was a dream, its not an illusion. Dreams are not illusions, they are real. Hallucinations are not illusions, they are based on something real. They are not random or spring forth from nothingness; no they have a base in something very real. Claiming "this" or "that" is an illusion is implying it is not based on something real.
Sure, the nature of reality being solid seperated objects is an illusion. How we perceive reality is an illusion. But reality on itself, is as real is it can be imo.
Nope. The reason why light speed is said to be a constant is because no matter how fast the observer is travelling light will still appear to be travelling at (about) 300,000 m/s in relation to the observer. This is the basis for all of the strangeness of general relativity like time/space dilation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
You can continue to go faster indefinitely, but you will never go faster than light speed. As you accelerate, the energy it requires to continue accelerating increases, and as your speed tends towards the speed of light, the energy required to continue accelerating tends towards infinity. According to the current knowledge of physics, it is impossible for a body with mass to travel at or above the speed of light.
You can do some reading about it here.
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The speed of light is independent of the motion of the observer.
The speed of light does not vary with time or place.
To state that the speed of light is independent of the velocity of the observer is very counterintuitive. Some people even refuse to accept this as a logically consistent possibility, but in 1905 Einstein was able to show that it is perfectly consistent if you are prepared to give up assumptions about the absolute nature of space and time.
I really don't give a shit what the speed of light is doing, that's not my point at all. My point is that you will not be able to see anything once you go that fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
Say you start traveling at light speed on earth. The light from earth is still coming at you at light speed. Then you pass mars, the light from that is coming at light speed as well. Everything you pass will send it's light towards you at light speed, all at once. Still no way to actually see anything.
Instead of watching a slide show, it would be like stacking all the slides together and trying to shine the light through all of them to get a projection. Just doesn't work, you won't be able to see the individual images.
Let's assume light travels at 300 000km/h... but the earth and our entire solarsystem also hurls through space at incredibly speeds! Meaning, if light on earth travels at 300 000km/h, the real speed should be 300 000km/h + the speed of the earth + the speed of our entire solarsystem + the speed of our entire galaxy... I really fail to understand how light can have a speed limit, and this limit being 300 000 exactly (or 299 999) seems very suspicious atleast. More like a limit in measuring instruments?
I'm sorry, thats just not how it works. No matter how fast the source is going and no matter how fast you are going, all light will appear to be traveling at a constant speed of 300,000 m/s to all observers. I know it is a hard concept to grasp but it is backed by mountains of experimental data and mathematical consistencies. No matter how hard you try to argue that it doesn't make sense, it does if you actually know the mechanics behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
I encourage you to study it more indepth; perhaps starting by reading the source I gave you. General relativity is an extremely interesting and thought provoking topic.
Nevermind what the light is doing! I'm talking about our ability to perceive that light. Just traveling on a fast train blurs everything outside your window. At least everything close, far away things don't blur as much. But at really fast speeds, even those distant objects will blur. It has nothing to do with how fast light is travelling, it's how we are able to see it.
Even if you could get within a very small percentage of the speed of light, the objects that you see in space are millions or billions of light years away. There would be little to no blurring for most things. When things are that far away, it would be an amazing feat to go fast enough for them to appear to move at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
Exactly how amazing is it to go faster than light?
Infinite energy required to move an infinitely growing mass.
Sounds amazing to me.