Lucid Characters

I've had a short time ago a curious dream that I want you know. I'll summarize it so that doesn't become too tedious xDD
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Into the dream I meet a girl, we talk for a time and then we kissed. While I was kissing her I sterted to think: this is all a lie, is just a dream. Does it worth I carry on with this, with this lie?
Isn't it better to leave her alone, and to fly for a while and go to explore?

After a few seconds I took an attitude more "Carpe Diem": And why not to make the most of the time, ado? Who does really know what is real or what not? Or even who would at least know the difference? Is better to make the most of it now so much as I can.

I was about to wake up due to I knew I was dreaming in a LD, so during a short time that continue to this I've told till now, I don't remember clearly what happened exactly. But nevertheless I know I was carrying on with that girl yet.

In a moment of the dream the girl and other peoples with whom I was, towards to me and says (the girl says to me): Do you want to live forever here?
-But, this is a dream- I replied her
-Yes
-Do you know it?
-Yes
-But then, do you really exist, does this place really exist?
-Yes, all that exist and you can stay here if you'd want. You've just to say me yes.
-Can you do it? Can you bring myself to here... to live...?
-Yes I can, but if you chose comes with us, you couldn't come back to the other side, you couldn't return to wake up.

I thought his proposition for a time: to live in a dream or to live in the reality? Is some of two lifes false, or both are real? Could it be true that is possible to live in the dreams? and what would happen with my family? I won't see them again, for they I'd be dead. And if I was being cheated, and this is a trap and the girl is no more than an entity that want to kill me or slave me or leave me to a horrible place? Or maybe this is just a simple dream?
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I think is weird the reaction of these peoples who were agreeing to be a part of a dream as if they were lucid too. But I'd like you comment what you'd have chosen if was real that is possible to live in the dreams and if you think that could be possible.

Excuse my English :SSS:oops: xD

That is a really tricky question. Two years ago I'd have said that dream characters are just productions of your mind but now... I'm not so sure. I've had some experiences recently that would make me think otherwise.

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I thought his proposition for a time: to live in a dream or to live in the reality? Is some of two lifes false, or both are real? Could it be true that is possible to live in the dreams? and what would happen with my family? I won't see them again, for they I'd be dead. And if I was being cheated, and this is a trap and the girl is no more than an entity that want to kill me or slave me or leave me to a horrible place? Or maybe this is just a simple dream?

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I find this very intriguing. I have no true answer as to whether or not this is possible; I do not believe that it would be, but stranger things have happened. But hypothetically, if it were possible, I do not think it would be a good idea to permanantly live in a dream.

Holy shit! Dude, you absolutely have to read "The Art of Dreaming" by Carlos Castaneda.

Never have I read a dream that sounded so much like the Inorganic Beings he describes in his books. That is such a classic IB sales pitch. If I had that dream, I would be freaking out!

The Cusp is right. That an Inorganic being Sales pitch if I ever heard one. You should definately say "no". anything you say in the dream world is final and you can never come back. You'll be akin for to a slave.

So, Inorganic beings can allow you to stay in the dream realm indefinitely? Is that really all that bad?

Well if you'd have said yes you would know the answer, but we might not.

Two possibilities if you say yes.

1. It's true and we never get to find out because you will be forever in the dream world
2. It's not true and you would come back to tell us its not true, so then it would be proven.

WOW, that was a cool dream.. it reminded me of vanilla sky.. i would have said no thanks.. im scary.. inorganic beings.. let me google that

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Originally Posted by KingCarnie

So, Inorganic beings can allow you to stay in the dream realm indefinitely? Is that really all that bad?

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You aren't going to live in a dream world. You will live in anotehr realm entirely. dreaming is the hunting ground. A bridge between different layers of reality. Our universe is but one layer, the others are together like layers of an onion.

It's bad because you'd never be able to leave. Your energy would be food for them. Much like we get energy from what we eat and drink. anyway this should be moved to beyond dreaming.

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Originally Posted by KingCarnie

So, Inorganic beings can allow you to stay in the dream realm indefinitely? Is that really all that bad?

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Allow? More like trick you into staying.

One thing about IBs is they can't lie. But they can be sneaky like lawyers. When they say you could live forever there, they mean it. And they can teach you amazing things. I'm surprised they didn't tempt Tarsso with knowledge as well. If you meet something like that again, just ask them anything. If it is one, you won't get the regular kind of BS you do from normal DCs.

You can visit their realm. Just declare your intent to go there, and the will take you. But make sure don't say you want to stay.

Are you sure? According to don Juan, "Inorganic beings are after our awareness or the awareness of any being that falls into their nets." He also says that inorganic beings cannot force anyone to stay with them. They give you knowledge but "they'll extract a payment: Our entire being." So really its a choice between the richness of being and the freedom of nothing.

Damn. That is a freaky dream. I always thought there were more to dreams than most of us realize.

This one guy I know, he's a very religious and good guy. He told me he had a dream that someone had told him to contact the company he works at now at a specific time to get the job he wanted.

Sure enough, he did that and got the job. Dreams are so mysterious.

If dreams are our subconscious, and shit like that happens...then maybe all our minds are connected on an unconscious level. I mean we all did come from one little single particle before the big bang ( if that theory is right ) Thats the only explanation of why such crazy things happen in dreams.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

You can visit their realm. Just declare your intent to go there, and the will take you. But make sure don't say you want to stay.

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Why would they bring you there for visit? Wouldn't we see the slavery and all the bad stuff and so we'd be sure to say 'no'? If they want us to be fooled, wouldn't they NOT want us to see what its REALLY like?


If they do really exist, I so want to meet one, but I'll make sure I don't get tricked.:shock:

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Why would they bring you there for visit? Wouldn't we see the slavery and all the bad stuff and so we'd be sure to say 'no'? If they want us to be fooled, wouldn't they NOT want us to see what its REALLY like?

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Heh, thats true.

Why would Inorganic beings want to enslave us for energy? I mean....i thought everything above the layer of reality we are in now was about peace, love, etc.

Enslavement is a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

Why would they bring you there for visit? Wouldn't we see the slavery and all the bad stuff and so we'd be sure to say 'no'? If they want us to be fooled, wouldn't they NOT want us to see what its REALLY like?


If they do really exist, I so want to meet one, but I'll make sure I don't get tricked.:shock:

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That's beyond my realm of experience, and anything i say on the matter is just hearsay. Just read The Art of Dreaming. Most libraries have Castaneda's books.

There is an incident on that book that pretty much describes that scenario, where he encounters the "blue scout".

Okay, maybe I'm a little out there, but I'm failing to see a downside here. Sure, you're stuck in there realm, but I have my doubts on whether or not you would be enslaved. They feed on your energy, yes, but in return you get untold amounts of knowledge. And Castaneda himself wrote that a person may find their realm so alluring as to volunteer to stay, so it obviously isn't that unpleasant a place to be.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Holy shit! Dude, you absolutely have to read "The Art of Dreaming" by Carlos Castaneda.

Never have I read a dream that sounded so much like the Inorganic Beings he describes in his books. That is such a classic IB sales pitch. If I had that dream, I would be freaking out!

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Wow, now I have to get that book. *plans a trip to Barnes and Noble*

Do all inorganic beings try to trick you into coming with them, or are some of them benevolent?

Heh, thats how i got into all of this stuff, lucid dreaming, meditation, etc. Wanting knowledge, it all started googling what happens after death lol.

The internet is great.

I know what you mean, Wired. For a long time I wanted to explore the in and outs of dreams, learn all about them, see if they could help me learn about other planes of existence, learn things through them that no one else knew. I recently learned about lucid dreaming and decided that LD's were the best way to do that. If I ever come across any IB's in one of my dreams I think I'd gamble and take their offer.

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Originally Posted by KingCarnie

Okay, maybe I'm a little out there, but I'm failing to see a downside here. Sure, you're stuck in there realm, but I have my doubts on whether or not you would be enslaved. They feed on your energy, yes, but in return you get untold amounts of knowledge. And Castaneda himself wrote that a person may find their realm so alluring as to volunteer to stay, so it obviously isn't that unpleasant a place to be.

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Originally Posted by Hazel

Do all inorganic beings try to trick you into coming with them, or are some of them benevolent?

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I suppose that depends on the individual. But they all want to trap you. The are like fishermen. Castaneda, or rather Don Juan describes them as immobile entities, like trees. The can't move, so they have to bring you to them.

Like trees that can't spread their seed on their own, they produce flowers and fruits (so to speak) to attract bees and such to them for that sweet nectar. Only instead of flowers of fruit, they offer you other tantalizing things. Immortality is pretty sweet.

Don Juan didn't like them because they were antithetical to his goal, which was freedom. How would you like to spend the rest of your life grounded by your parents, not being able to leave, even though they take care of you?

I suppose it's a two way street. You can still get stuff from them by baiting them with yourself, but they are much better at it than we are.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

I suppose that depends on the individual. But they all want to trap you. The are like fishermen. Castaneda, or rather Don Juan describes them as immobile entities, like trees. The can't move, so they have to bring you to them.

Like trees that can't spread their seed on their own, they produce flowers and fruits (so to speak) to attract bees and such to them for that sweet nectar. Only instead of flowers of fruit, they offer you other tantalizing things. Immortality is pretty sweet.

Don Juan didn't like them because they were antithetical to his goal, which was freedom. How would you like to spend the rest of your life grounded by your parents, not being able to leave, even though they take care of you?

I suppose it's a two way street. You can still get stuff from them by baiting them with yourself, but they are much better at it than we are.

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That makes sense. I doubt that it'd be worth the risk even speaking to them, then. I'll have to be on the look out for this, in case I should ever come across one.

If you did happen to get trapped, would there be any hope of escape? And what would happen to your physical body? Would it just die?

How do we know, that this world wasn't just some dream in which we agreed to stay in? And that some other dream wasn't your life before you came to this... well... place?
Okay, I probably sound weird now ^_^'

I don't think that I've met any DC's like that... Although there usually are at least a few of them around me wether I'm lucid or not... maybe I should ask them some questions the next time I'm lucid XD

I'm pretty sure I was dragged there once. But i don't remember what happened. I've also found that grabbing a scout in a dream takes you to their realm. At least that what happens for me.

What do you mean by "eating your energy?" Does it hurt? I mean... I'm still just 15 so I'll wait until I'm older to read the book, for now, I'll feed myself with the information i find on the internet. Anyways, about the energy and that stuff... So technikly, they give you knowledge in exchange of your energy... I don't see where our benefit is... What's the point of having knowledge if you are doomed to be giving your energy... If you are doomed to be unable to use that knowledge. It kinda reminds me of the newest indiana Jones (or is it the newest?) and at the end, the bad woman gets all that information from alians and she kinda dies because there is too much information...? Anyways... I think this stuff is really comfusing + how could that Castenada know all of this since he didn't say 'yes' (or else he wouldn't be here to say this)... Maybe it was all a bad dream..

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I don't believe in the theory.. It's interesting and it might be true as far as i know.

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

... I'm still just 15 so I'll wait until I'm older to read the book...

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Wait, I don't understand something. Why are you saying that you'll read the book when you're older? Is it because you think you're too young to understand it right now, or is it because you think book-reading for pleasure is something for older people and not teenagers? If you're genuinely interested, you should read it now. Don't think it's goofy at your age to read in your free time. I know that most 15 year olds would rather text asinine things to their friends like "kewl" or "lol" than read a book, but don't let that stop you. If it was for another reason, sorry about that rant.
And no, I haven't read the book in question, but reading is something that more people should get involved in (myself included).

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Originally Posted by P-K-V

Wait, I don't understand something. Why are you saying that you'll read the book when you're older? Is it because you think you're too young to understand it right now, or is it because you think book-reading for pleasure is something for older people and not teenagers? If you're genuinely interested, you should read it now. Don't think it's goofy at your age to read in your free time. I know that most 15 year olds would rather text asinine things to their friends like "kewl" or "lol" than read a book, but don't let that stop you. If it was for another reason, sorry about that rant.
And no, I haven't read the book in question, but reading is something that more people should get involved in (myself included).

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I agree. I finished the Hobbit in grade five. surely you can read that book when ur 15.

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Originally Posted by P-K-V

Wait, I don't understand something. Why are you saying that you'll read the book when you're older? Is it because you think you're too young to understand it right now, or is it because you think book-reading for pleasure is something for older people and not teenagers? If you're genuinely interested, you should read it now. Don't think it's goofy at your age to read in your free time. I know that most 15 year olds would rather text asinine things to their friends like "kewl" or "lol" than read a book, but don't let that stop you. If it was for another reason, sorry about that rant.
And no, I haven't read the book in question, but reading is something that more people should get involved in (myself included).

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No, I meant that you know... I'm still living with my parents and I don't have job. My mom doesn't let me use my money and it be complicated getting the book and lets just say... I'm not a spoiled child and I don't get things just by asking, plus my mom doesn't like me lucid dreaming. She thinks its stopping me from being present in my real life. So whenever I start living on my own, have a job and I'm more independant (I don't have to ask anyone if i can go out) I'll get some books. For now, the information I find on the internet is really good.

And don't worry about it.

I read a lot too, anyways :)

Go to a library, or just hang out in Chapters and read it.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Go to a library, or just hang out in Chapters and read it.

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Do you think they'd have it in a library? I'll look. And for Chapters, whenever I do, i'll look for one and read it while I'm there.

is there any way of telling the dif between an ib and another dreamer? like what if your soulmate is trying to save you from this reality and you say no because you think she is tricking you ? this reminds me of coroline. scarry. .

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Originally Posted by fairytale complex

is there any way of telling the dif between an ib and another dreamer? like what if your soulmate is trying to save you from this reality and you say no because you think she is tricking you ? this reminds me of coroline. scarry. .

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IBs can't lie so you'd be able to find out. I guess.

What is it like to give out energy. If its not too dangerous, i'd ask them for a bit of knowledge or something for a bit of my energy.

Personally, I probably would not say "Yes" just to be on the safe side, though I usually try to get skeptic side (if this possible). But in this case we should consider that not only Castaneda but a lot of mythological legends tells us about such sort of encounters (fairies which lure mortals to their kingdom, they spend a couple of days there, return back and found a lot of years passed), and in my opinion mythology takes deep roots in dreams. It would not be funny to say yes, spend some time with girl, and then wake up IRL and found that one spent two years in coma! :shock: Or what's even more terrific (but even more speculative) that he actually lived all this time but have not memory about this time (i.e. his consciousness was not active).

At the other side, this theme of being given a choice to stay in other reality is rather common in Salvia trips. I remember a message on one forum in which a member described such experience and said "yes". Nothing happened - the trip ended and he was back IRL :D.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Go to a library, or just hang out in Chapters and read it.

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and if they don't have it they can order it for you. That's how i got my copy.

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Originally Posted by Phantasos

Personally, I probably would not say "Yes" just to be on the safe side, though I usually try to get skeptic side (if this possible). But in this case we should consider that not only Castaneda but a lot of mythological legends tells us about such sort of encounters (fairies which lure mortals to their kingdom, they spend a couple of days there, return back and found a lot of years passed), and in my opinion mythology takes deep roots in dreams. It would not be funny to say yes, spend some time with girl, and then wake up IRL and found that one spent two years in coma! :shock: Or what's even more terrific (but even more speculative) that he actually lived all this time but have not memory about this time (i.e. his consciousness was not active).

At the other side, this theme of being given a choice to stay in other reality is rather common in Salvia trips. I remember a message on one forum in which a member described such experience and said "yes". Nothing happened - the trip ended and he was back IRL :D.

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That reminds me of something i read on another forum. I guy said he astral projected and spent 4 years fighting monsters or something in the astral plane.

I don't know if the 4 years was in waking reality, probably was only 4 years in astral and a couple hours or something in RL. Time can be dilated.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Holy shit! Dude, you absolutely have to read "The Art of Dreaming" by Carlos Castaneda.

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You'r not the one who say me that, I'll really have to read that book!

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Why would Inorganic beings want to enslave us for energy? I mean....i thought everything above the layer of reality we are in now was about peace, love, etc.

Enslavement is a bad thing.

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why must everything be above the layer of reality about peace and love, etc??
do you really think there are little angels playing harps beyond the sky? :? xD

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Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Heh, thats how i got into all of this stuff, lucid dreaming, meditation, etc. Wanting knowledge, it all started googling what happens after death lol.

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A friend of mine said me once: "death must be a great journey: nobody comes back" hehe I love this phrase, maybe death is just the beginning.... ;)

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Originally Posted by SleepyCookieDough

No, I meant that you know... I'm still living with my parents and I don't have job. My mom doesn't let me use my money and it be complicated getting the book and lets just say... I'm not a spoiled child and I don't get things just by asking, plus my mom doesn't like me lucid dreaming. She thinks its stopping me from being present in my real life. So whenever I start living on my own, have a job and I'm more independant (I don't have to ask anyone if i can go out) I'll get some books. For now, the information I find on the internet is really good.

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I neither say you what you may to do nor encourage you to think or do something I'd do. Ok?;). But however yes I'll give you an advice: never allow anybody castrate your mind or censor your knowledge because only into our mind we are really free (that's dreams are so amazing for anybdy)and is the only thing they will never be able to take from us... 15 is a very good age to take own decisions.

Anyhow if you can't buy the book and you want it... download the ebook (yes... the god emule:bowdown: xD) I've some Castaneda's books in ebooks format but in Spanish :SSS but I'm sure you can find it in English ;)

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Originally Posted by fairytale complex

is there any way of telling the dif between an ib and another dreamer? like what if your soulmate is trying to save you from this reality and you say no because you think she is tricking you ? this reminds me of coroline. scarry. .

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haha When I've read your post I've thought: if it would be possible to establish contact with IBs with another methods like ouija??
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Well my dream carry on, I think I should be post it, though I think its nothing significant , but maybe someone wants to read it

Before I say "no" to that girl I remained alone thinking in my decision. Then I decided to ask for advice to the being more wise than I know: Odín (yes is a not conventional man).I looked at the sky of a night loaded with clouds and I called to Odin twice, the sky seemed to tremble and I listened to a noise, Then a militar helicopter appeared, and landed 40 meters (131 fts) from myself. A cowboy went out of inside and threw a rope with a slipknot, the rope crossed the 40 mts (131fts) in straight line. I avoided it and the cowboy gave an order to the rope and she started moving again. I looked at the rope and I gave her an order: "not!" and the rope stopped moving. Then appeared another man from inside the helicopter and he started running towards to myself. Then I began to run, I turned into an eagle (I do this often in my dreams) I beat quickly my wings and moved away flying. Then I woke up.
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thanks for your replies, it's a great forum:bowdown:

Wow, this is amazing, you guys look at reality in a whole different point of view. When I first read that post, i was thinking to myself "pssshh, his mentality is really living it to the maximum... of course its just a simple dream!" It makes logical sense. But as I kept on reading, it really gave me a whole different aspect of reality.

One thing I cannot figure out though, is if he had said yes, whether she had enslaved him or whatever, what would happen to the world we know as reality? Would he stay asleep? Would his spirit like transport into that new realm or something?

This is baffling, I'm hungry for the answer to this, if anyone has an idea or the answer, please reply.

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Originally Posted by Kamykazy

One thing I cannot figure out though, is if he had said yes, whether she had enslaved him or whatever, what would happen to the world we know as reality? Would he stay asleep? Would his spirit like transport into that new realm or something?

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According to the books, they can bring you there physically, body and all. You'd just disappear without a trace.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

According to the books, they can bring you there physically, body and all. You'd just disappear without a trace.

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I wonder if that might account for some of the cases where people just vanish. never to be heard from again.

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Originally Posted by Man of Shred

I wonder if that might account for some of the cases where people just vanish. never to be heard from again.

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I don't think your actual body goes in the world the inorganic beings bring you. If yes.... That'd be weird to see someone vanish... Oh! There was story about people who've have randomly bursted into flames and nothing has been damaged except for the body which has completly dissapeared.

Maybe your Dream Guide or a certain DC has the answer to this. Living ing the mind themselves may hold some knowledge.

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Originally Posted by LucidOnion

Maybe your Dream Guide or a certain DC has the answer to this. Living ing the mind themselves may hold some knowledge.

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I hadn't thought that, I'll try it in my next LD


Greetings!

I think this thread is fascinating, but not correct.

I can't go live inside the internet, tempting though it may be, but I can spend time here and learn things here.

I can't go live inside the telephone system, even now that they have visual as well as audio, tempting as it may be, but I can, if I choose, spend time there.

I can't go live in my dreamspace, which is, really, in part, a Universal Communication System, full time, tempting as it may be, because well, there are a lot of important things and people in my outer reality too, and it's simply not possible, but I can, when I choose, spend time there.

Sadly, some religions seem to base their ideas of the Afterlife on the dream plane, and those are the ones that always leave me scratching my head.

I believe we will always have both inner and outer realities. We don't have to give up one to have the other. Both teach us things, give us knowledge. It's about balance, you know? Everything is...

As for asking my spirit guides, I did, and this is what he agrees with!

One other comment: people can come back after death. It's called reincarnation. Their spirit just comes back as an infant, in a new body. At least, I believe that to be true!

I am so confuzed right now.
So these IBs are DCs that cannot lie?
And if you agree to it then they can take you into the dreamworld to live :S
:uhm: Can someone please explain it? Sorry, im new to LDing and im curious and fascinated

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Originally Posted by BAMitsLauraX

I am so confuzed right now.
So these IBs are DCs that cannot lie?
And if you agree to it then they can take you into the dreamworld to live :S
:uhm: Can someone please explain it? Sorry, im new to LDing and im curious and fascinated

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Hi BAMitsLauraX

The IBs are beings narrated in the books of Castaneda, I don't know if the DCs of my dream are IBs or not, according to the words of Castaneda it's possible and they can give you some extraordinary knowledges in return for a part of your energy. And yes the proposition they did me was take me into the dreamworld forever... maybe it was true or just a simple dream, now I'll never know.

Welcome to LDing and good luck.

What do you mean by energy? Like physical energy in RL?
I think If I ever meet one I will ask them some questions and probably say yes to go into dreamworld just out of curiosity because I'm hard core :P. Only joking, I would probably wake up
And thank you, I was really lucky, I had 2 LDs in basicly the first 2 weeks of reading about it :D

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Originally Posted by BAMitsLauraX

What do you mean by energy? Like physical energy in RL?
I think If I ever meet one I will ask them some questions and probably say yes to go into dreamworld just out of curiosity because I'm hard core :P. Only joking, I would probably wake up
And thank you, I was really lucky, I had 2 LDs in basicly the first 2 weeks of reading about it :D

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Castaneda talks about a necessary energy to get lucidity in dreamworld, every day you've a quantity of energy and this energy can be neither increased nor diminished, however you can organize it to take advantage of it better in your dreams ¿how can you do it? Even I haven't come to this part of the book :P. This energy is very priced for IBs. But well, all of it is just a theory, you can believe it or not, in any case experiment before believing.

The next time I dream of with them I'll say yes, if I don't post it my experience...:shock: xD
PD: you're welcome and congrats for your LDs:bowdown:. An advice: the more conscious you are in real life of your dreams the more conscious you will be in dreamworld of your real life, it's like a channel you're opening.

Its very confusing, i think if I ever meet one I will take my chances and say yes :)
Make sure you tell us if you leave for a while, then we wont be thinking that you have been took away by the IB's :lol:
What does PD mean? :doh:
Your advice: That is good, i like it, thank you :D

I recently had an LD where I ran around asking all these DC's, "Are you a DC? Are you a DC?" None of them answered me, until a met a beautiful red-haired woman that was staring at me.

I stopped at her, and repeated my question. She smiled and slowly shook her head no. We kissed. She felt like a real person. Some... other stuff happened, and then I woke up.

The first post: damn, that would freak me out. "I'd be like, Hell no, beeyotch!"

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Originally Posted by BAMitsLauraX

Its very confusing, i think if I ever meet one I will take my chances and say yes :)
Make sure you tell us if you leave for a while, then we wont be thinking that you have been took away by the IB's :lol:
What does PD mean? :doh:
Your advice: That is good, i like it, thank you :D

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Hahaha thanks for caring about me, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to return to RL, in any case I'll visit you in a dream, it would be easier... and enigmatic... xD And vice versa; if you go with them someday let us know! :P
I'm sorry :oops: PD is PS :S
PS(xD): If you need some advice or help you can count on me ;)

Eeeesh, PD instead of PS *tuts*
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Its fine because I don't know what enigmatic means :lol:
PS: Thank you :)

Listen to Solsbury Hill by Peter Gabriel. Doesn't it sound like a lucid dreamer being given this choice by an IB?