OOBE / AP Opinions

[mdream]

Share your opinion if you think OOBE's / AP are real or just really vivid lucid dreams? Also answer this (If you think it's real): What's a fun thing to do once you have one? ..When you have a OOB experience (Or Astral Projection, whatever it is), is there any danger? What happens for example if someone wakes you up, or your alarm starts to ring? Can you get lost?

[SkylerJames13]

Ahh, I really want to have an OBE. I know they are real, because I SORT of had one before. I was in sleep paralysis, and I started to think of myself as light, and I sort of saw my room, and my, then, transparent hands, and I panicked and went back into my body Though I have no idea about your questions, sorry I can't help bro.

[mdream]

Ahh, I really want to have an OBE. I know they are real, because I SORT of had one before. I was in sleep paralysis, and I started to think of myself as light, and I sort of saw my room, and my, then, transparent hands, and I panicked and went back into my body Though I have no idea about your questions, sorry I can't help bro. Haha... Well actually I'm not trying to do an OOBE, I was just curious about it.

[IndigoGhost]

1000+ Hours in Zen Meditation, No OBE's, Dammit. Gotta remember it's not about the shiny trinkets, its about the silence.

[TJuulsgaard]

Although I haven't had more than 3 OBE's I believe AP's/OBE's are consciuosness being shifted to another "dimension". Many experts on the subject like William Buhlman, Thomas Campbell, Bruce Moen and also the classic Robert Monroe are convinced by their experiences that the Astral Planes are either inside ourselves or simply exists in other frequencies. That we don't actually leave our body behind, doesn't make it any less exciting. We can still visit other dimensions, dead people and other species. We can also visit the energy-plane that is closest to our physical world, but it is hard to stay they for long and not drift to other energy-planes, which makes it hard to get evidence. Dreamworlds are made up of our own thoughts (Although sometimes people are able to meet in dreams and share the dream), when lucid in a dream we can change things the way we want to. In non-dreamworlds (by some called the Astral-planes...) we can't really change the scenery, because it is the result of many beliefsystems, or thoughts from other people (entities). There is also grey areas that are more or less thought-responsive. So what does this mean to our everyday physical life? I've read a couple of books about dreamyoga and always struggled with really believing the phrase "Everything is an illusion" - now I'm becoming more and more convinced that it really is true; We may very well be living an illusion. When we fall asleep and dream (either lucid or normal) we feel "as if" we are there - we are in another reality (thought-responsive or not). When we are experiencing an OBE we are in another reality. When we are in "real" physical life we are experiencing a shared virtual world, with a fixed ruleset, that makes it non-thought-responsive. But we are still experiencing some form of reality, just like the others. We aren't experiencing our true being in this "real life" it is a school of improving consciousnes.... (thats life for you!) This very short theory isn't something I've made up myself, but is a fragile conclusion after reading more than 6000 pages about OBE's and dreams during the last 2 years - and with a little self-experience thrown in for the sake of it... This seems to be more or less the way I see things at this moment. I'm sure that in my searching (reading/experiencing) I will probably either confirm my beliefs or see them being blown away by hard evidence

[saxonharp]

Although I haven't had more than 3 OBE's I believe AP's/OBE's are consciuosness being shifted to another "dimension". Many experts on the subject like William Buhlman, Thomas Campbell, Bruce Moen and also the classic Robert Monroe are convinced by their experiences that the Astral Planes are either inside ourselves or simply exists in other frequencies. That we don't actually leave our body behind, doesn't make it any less exciting. Actually, your Energy Body DOES leave your Tonal Body. If you do this in a group, and you prepare yourself properly, you can see a person's energy body "leave". That being said, what you attribute to the authors you metioned is also accurate. This experience is like a "skin" over other experiences and other experiences are like a "skin" over this one. It's like being inside an infinite onion with layers going infinitely "in" and infinitely "out" all at the same time. We can still visit other dimensions, dead people and other species. We can also visit the energy-plane that is closest to our physical world, but it is hard to stay they for long and not drift to other energy-planes, which makes it hard to get evidence. Keeping your Intent focused and the reason for your Journey firmly in your mind will help you in anchoring yourself in the appropriate experience to achieve your goals. Dreamworlds are made up of our own thoughts (Although sometimes people are able to meet in dreams and share the dream), when lucid in a dream we can change things the way we want to. In non-dreamworlds (by some called the Astral-planes...) we can't really change the scenery, because it is the result of many beliefsystems, or thoughts from other people (entities). There is also grey areas that are more or less thought-responsive. There are dreams and then there are Dreams. When we practice lucidity in the Dreamtime, we free our Energy Body from our Tonal selves and take on the ability to operate within these alternate experiences. What you DO with that ability is completely up to you. If someone gave you TNT, you could do several things; you could build roads or you could kill a bunch of people. Or, you could cut each stick into smaller pieces and set them off like big firecrackers. What you do with your Knowledge and Experience is totally up to you. But you should ask yourself, "Do I want to help or harm others or myself, or do I just want to play with fireworks?" So what does this mean to our everyday physical life? I've read a couple of books about dreamyoga and always struggled with really believing the phrase "Everything is an illusion" - now I'm becoming more and more convinced that it really is true; We may very well be living an illusion. When we fall asleep and dream (either lucid or normal) we feel "as if" we are there - we are in another reality (thought-responsive or not). When we are experiencing an OBE we are in another reality. When we are in "real" physical life we are experiencing a shared virtual world, with a fixed ruleset, that makes it non-thought-responsive. But we are still experiencing some form of reality, just like the others. We aren't experiencing our true being in this "real life" it is a school of improving consciousnes.... (thats life for you!) This very short theory isn't something I've made up myself, but is a fragile conclusion after reading more than 6000 pages about OBE's and dreams during the last 2 years - and with a little self-experience thrown in for the sake of it... This seems to be more or less the way I see things at this moment. I'm sure that in my searching (reading/experiencing) I will probably either confirm my beliefs or see them being blown away by hard evidence I think you're on the right track. This theory comes from over 20 years of practical application.

[TJuulsgaard]

Thanks for the very indepth review of my post - as I said I'm only just starting to get experiences myself, so its going to take a while to become so profficient to really explore things - and all off my assumptions come from material I have read. When you say your energybody really does leave the body - I'm thinking about Thomas Campbell, who says that when you get acces to the energyworld, you can actually often see it sort of lying on top of the physical world, so could it be a "mixup" of physical matter and energy? Monroe says that "focus 1" (as he calls the real time zone) is the one closest to our physical world - so I guess this means that it could blend together (explains ghosts and other phenomena.) The energy system is closely related to everything and everything is based in an "energy-dimension" that you can project/shift to. Off course I don't know for sure how it works but how do you explain the close relation between WILD and AP/EP? - when WILD'ing, (from mind awake/body asleep to short consciousnes-lapse going to wakeup with headbuzzing and vibrations roaring) I wake up in my bedroom, but not my physical one - it is close connected but things are perhaps misplaced. I can go out through my front-door, but from there things are sometimes a mess. I explain this as a etheral projection, but in a place that is closely connected to thoughtform, perhaps where my wife and kids thoughts also helps to build the energy-form - (eg. the mirror which was moved still is where it was placed 14 days ago, because everyone in the family still think of it as being in the "old" place) - as I loose concentration I change to a looser energy-system which is more thought-responsive. I can wake up in an instant, and be back in my body - so that makes me think my experience either have been a very vivid dream or a shift of consciousness to another energy-dimension. By everything I have read, and the verifications others have had I am strongly convinced (no subjective evidence I know...) that the latter is the explanation. - and the more I read I also think that there is way more to dreams than LD'ers usually give them credit for - (AP'ing every night when dreaming...)

[saxonharp]

If you consider everything from simply an energetic level, your understanding is quite accurate. When we sleep - more specifically when we dream - our energetic levels are closer to those of other experiences and therefore our access to those other experiences is easier. When we dream lucidly, we can operate in those experiences with Intent. This is the same thing we do when we Journey (Astrally Project, OOBE, etc.). In operating with Intent, we can use the information we gather from this otherwise unattainable perspective to help ourselves or others. As for what forms our perception of those other experiences, I have to be honest... I never even considered it. Though, I believe there may be some Truth in your idea that it is formed - at least partially - by others' thoughts and projected energy. Thanks for opening that question up for me. I'll have to explore that a little more.

[TJuulsgaard]

You're welcome, I've probably read it somewhere though - But have been having lots of thought on the subject lately especially as I'm starting to see a red line through the various litterature. I hope that I will be able to gain as much experience in the astral as you.

[jessie1203]

or your alarm starts to ring? Can you get lost? I was once having what I believe to be an OBE, and as I was flying over some buildings, something started pulling me back (I might add, i am a Very light sleeper, every sound wakes me up), so this "force" is pulling me, and no matter how much I fought it, (cause I didn't want to wake up) it Pulled me into my body and woke me up! Turns out my neighbors were having some kinda' Loud conversation around 5am... So I'm guessing my body heard this and in order to wake up, it pulled me back... I've had a couple of OBE's already, some not very pleasant... For what I've read, I think I've been in lower astral planes, where its very confusing and scary, actually encountered a couple of not so friendly creatures, and everytime, I'm pulled back into my body, safe and sound... so No.. in my opinion and based not just on my experience, but on all the things I've read, You cannot get lost...

[jessie1203]

I was once having what I believe to be an OBE, and as I was flying over some buildings, something started pulling me back (I might add, i am a Very light sleeper, every sound wakes me up), so this "force" is pulling me, and no matter how much I fought it, (cause I didn't want to wake up) it Pulled me into my body and woke me up! Turns out my neighbors were having some kinda' Loud conversation around 5am... So I'm guessing my body heard this and in order to wake up, it pulled me back... I've had a couple of OBE's already, some not very pleasant... For what I've read, I think I've been in lower astral planes, where its very confusing and scary, actually encountered a couple of not so friendly creatures, and everytime, I'm pulled back into my body, safe and sound... so No.. in my opinion and based not just on my experience, but on all the things I've read, You cannot get lost... As for what forms our perception of those other experiences, I have to be honest... I never even considered it. Though, I believe there may be some Truth in your idea that it is formed - at least partially - by others' thoughts and projected energy. Thanks for opening that question up for me. I'll have to explore that a little more. I'm reading William Buhlman "Adventures Beyond the Body" explains pretty much what he's saying its a pretty good book! If you really are interested, give it a read

[feuilles]

When I had my OOBE, it was just like my usual dreams.. in the sense that my vision was not at 100%, quite murky but other senses, hearing and touch, were like they were in waking reality. Once I started exploring, I was using only my eyes and nothing else. The reason it was not a dream is because the 'entry' was not like a dream lol.. I did not go to sleep. I was laying down awake and found myself in my body, not attached.. and then I got "sucked" out.. I didn't really think much, it was like second nature to me, I didn't question it at all. This is what happens to me in dreams too--I get very passive, you see a rabbit start talking to you and checking his watch and you don't think that rabbits don't normally do that. It's hard to explain, I have read quite a lot.. but what we see as "reality" is not really reality. It's just a hologram. So OOBE, dream, whether or not it happens in this "reality" is real, it's just another version of it. I am suspicious that I had another OOBE but at that time, I fell asleep accidentally.. the reason, the dream felt so strange. and I knew that I was in my bedroom, watching movies on my laptop as usual.. and only when I woke up, I realized the bedroom was completely different to my real room. I think it doesn't matter. I think they sort of go by representations, symbols.. It doesn't have to be exactly the same, physically-- but the meaning is the same. It is your bedroom.